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Offlinewillywanka
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bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI
    #27006526 - 10/27/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

About 2 years ago I experimented with bufotenine and found it to be a very unpleasant but extremely visual experience.

What makes it extremely unpleasant is the vasoconstriction you get from smoking the stuff.


Today I have some harmala extract in my possession and am wondering if its a bad idea to ingest bufotenine orally?


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Re: bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI [Re: willywanka]
    #27006548 - 10/27/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I believe I read that bufotenin is contraindicated with MAOIs.
What is your source? toad venom, or yopo/other plant?


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Re: bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI [Re: NSaintJ]
    #27006551 - 10/27/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

yopo


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Re: bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI [Re: willywanka] * 1
    #27006637 - 10/27/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'd be careful man.. and avoid it.  Yopo/Cebil seeds can have varying content of 5-MeO-DMT alongside the 5hodmt and nnmdt.  and MAOI's and 5meoDMT are an absolute no-no in terms of combinations.  Many people have died as a direct result of doing so.  Very sad stuff.  I believe even some off of large doses of yopo/cebil and MAOI's in mexico at a conference.  But usually its pure 5meodmt in toad venom and the MAOI's that will kill you.

So I wouldn't do it.  How did you make the bufotenine?  I found that with iso alcohol I was able to get the best crude product that was smokable and provided a strong visual experience, but yes, there was some weird tension that made the experience a little jarring.  Not entirely unpleasant.  But the bufotenine was very different then NNDMT or 5MEODMT and warranted further curiousity from me.  I never ended up making the citrate version of it, following ron69's teks on the dmt nexus - but he claimed that by making a quite pure, white-beige crystalline citrate of the bufotenine he was able to entirely eliminate the physical tension aspect of the experience and it was just the pure psychedelica.  That's what I want to attempt next.


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Re: bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI [Re: willywanka]
    #27006679 - 10/27/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I was trained not to use yopo with aya because of the bufo/maoi contraindication but others may have different opinions. I havent heard of people taking yopo orally, or smoked for that matter, but that's interesting!.. were you smoking an extract of the seeds?

although I have heard of people extracting the 5meo from yopo and combining that with Maoi avoiding the bufo all together.
wish I could be more help!


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Re: bufohuasca Bufotenine + MAOI [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27006682 - 10/27/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Typerwritermonky said:
I'd be careful man.. and avoid it.  Yopo/Cebil seeds can have varying content of 5-MeO-DMT alongside the 5hodmt and nnmdt.  and MAOI's and 5meoDMT are an absolute no-no in terms of combinations.  Many people have died as a direct result of doing so.  Very sad stuff.  I believe even some off of large doses of yopo/cebil and MAOI's in mexico at a conference.  But usually its pure 5meodmt in toad venom and the MAOI's that will kill you.

So I wouldn't do it.  How did you make the bufotenine?  I found that with iso alcohol I was able to get the best crude product that was smokable and provided a strong visual experience, but yes, there was some weird tension that made the experience a little jarring.  Not entirely unpleasant.  But the bufotenine was very different then NNDMT or 5MEODMT and warranted further curiousity from me.  I never ended up making the citrate version of it, following ron69's teks on the dmt nexus - but he claimed that by making a quite pure, white-beige crystalline citrate of the bufotenine he was able to entirely eliminate the physical tension aspect of the experience and it was just the pure psychedelica.  That's what I want to attempt next.




Oh thats so interesting. in Peru we would drink something called Wambisa, and i was told it was ayahuasca with an admixture plant which contains 5meo dmt. I very much enjoyed it, but i totally believe you that it's dangerous. disregard my post! and thanks for the info:)


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