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Offlinewillywanka
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Shrooms and nofap?
    #27005794 - 10/27/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms and DMT use up the same energy that masturbation uses.
At least from my experience.

So I'm wondering if not fapping for an extended period of time and then tripping will give you a better experience?

Can anyone tell the difference when tripping right after a relapse vs a long streak of holding it in?


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: willywanka]
    #27005829 - 10/27/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure about it from an "energy" standpoint.

What I will say is that, if you are addicted to porn, masturbation or PMO as a whole, it may help from a psychological standpoint.

But that is something that may be more attributed to repairing your psyche than abstaining from the particular thing itself.

For example, I've been sober of alcohol over 6 months now. And my trips in that time felt more intense than equal dose trips from when I was drinking.

I think it had to due with the changes in my temperament and subsequent psychological improvements from quitting alcohol than any increase in "energy".

However, I do not want to discount the "energy" theory or any biological based possibilities on why such a phenomenon might occur, I just refrain from commenting on that because I don't know.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: willywanka] * 1
    #27006518 - 10/27/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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willywanka said:
Mushrooms and DMT use up the same energy that masturbation uses.
At least from my experience.




I have no idea what you're talking about from a biological, psychological, or physiological standpoint. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I'm just generally pretty skeptical.

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willywanka said:
So I'm wondering if not fapping for an extended period of time and then tripping will give you a better experience?




I don't think there's any known correlation between having a positive psychedelic experience and masturbation. However, being at-peace with yourself psychologically will definitely ensure a more positive psychedelic experience, and if abstaining from masturbation for a while helps you feel more at-peace with yourself, then I don't think it will hurt.

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Can anyone tell the difference when tripping right after a relapse vs a long streak of holding it in?



No, I haven't noticed any difference, but I reject the terminology "relapse" as it applies to my own life because I'm not an addict. However, I have tripped in a variety of sexual circumstances. I have taken mushrooms after masturbating. I have taken mushrooms during a period where I hadn't masturbated recently (meaning, at least a week without masturbating). I have masturbated under the influence of mushrooms. I have had sex with a partner while we were both under the influence of mushrooms. Every one of these experiences was different, but to think that my sexual activity was the only factor at play would be to oversimplify the psychedelic experience. Everything about your environment, your mindset, and your physical state of being will affect the outcome of a trip. Every mushroom experience I just described led to a different scenario: some of it positive, some of it negative. That's how life is.

If I seem terse or anything, it's just because of my own experiences with NoFap. Personally, I think NoFap can be a valuable resource to someone who is seriously addicted to porn and masturbation. That said, it can also be a toxic philosophy and there is some toxicity within the NoFap community as well. Looking back, I don't think I was ever really addicted to porn. I would watch porn with some regularity, and I would feel some shame over that (mostly due to my upbringing from my religious parents), but it never interfered with my relationships, my work, or my health. I immersed myself in the NoFap community because I felt ashamed for watching porn and, if anything, it worsened my situation. I went through the "rebooting" process (abstaining from all sexual activity for 90 days), which put a serious strain on my relationship. During that time, I was told by other members of the NoFap community that I was an addict, that I was sick, and that I needed to do this to heal. Fast-forward for a while, and it's been two years since I quit watching porn. However, I still feel disgusted with myself. I still feel ashamed for having ever done it in the first place. In other words, I didn't make any progress on the problem I originally set out to solve.

Porn was never my problem. My problem was me, and my ego. It took me a long time to learn that, but I'm glad I'm not so focused on NoFap anymore.

Look, I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but I just want to lay down a few facts for you:

1. Masturbation is not bad for you. It doesn't reduce your energy or physical capacity. It doesn't cause erectile dysfunction. If you are gentle and slow with yourself, it doesn't cause insensitivity. It doesn't cause loss of muscle, nor does it reduce your fertility. Masturbation is a perfectly healthy thing to do in moderation.

2. Porn is not a replacement for a real sexual experience, and it may be an obvious attempt at quick, easy pleasure, but you aren't automatically an addict just because you watch porn regularly. Porn is a lot like some drugs out there. It makes you feel good when you watch it, but you shouldn't do it too often or you'll build up a tolerance to it and develop an addiction. I don't think porn is the ideal way to explore your own sexuality, but it's not going to wreck your life if you use it in moderation.

All the best, brother. Don't worry so much about porn. You're fine :smile:


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27007655 - 10/28/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The only similarity I see between psychedelics and orgasms is the tolerance build up.

If you jerk off multiple times a day it's nothing special, but wait a couple of days in between and it will feel out of this world again.

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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #27007722 - 10/28/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure you will have a more powerful experience if you abstain. When I abstained from sex and did ayahuasca it was more intense then when I had engaged in sex shortly before the experience. So in short, you are correct.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: willywanka] * 1
    #27008541 - 10/28/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure on the "same energy" thing, but when I abstain and then trip, my trips are typically more sexual in nature. The imagery, your thought patterns, your mood. It enhances your libido in my experience.

Its worth experiencing in my opinion :trippinbawelz: :nicesmile:


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: willywanka]
    #27011700 - 10/30/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27011974 - 10/30/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Pandemoon said:
The only similarity I see between psychedelics and orgasms is the tolerance build up.

If you jerk off multiple times a day it's nothing special, but wait a couple of days in between and it will feel out of this world again.

:snoopyes:

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Exactly. Moderation is a good thing :smile:


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27011979 - 10/30/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

lets  not forget the bible explicitly states we should not waste the seed on anything but a women. So be careful gents.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27011982 - 10/30/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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lets  not forget the bible explicitly states we should not waste the seed on anything but a women. So be careful gents.



The bible also says we should stone people to death for working on Sunday, so... meh :shrug:


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27011987 - 10/30/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You think they had that amount of weed back in the biblical days?


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27012013 - 10/30/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

well if its any consolation masturbation and orgasms do cause chemical releases of endorphins and dopamine.

if you do it too much it can, in my opinion, possibly create an inbalance like how it doesnt feel as good as it used to.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27012257 - 10/30/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
You think they had that amount of weed back in the biblical days?




I thought about that for three seconds and then I had to laugh ... good one :grin:

Having said that - I did a nofap (no porn - but masturbating) about four years ago for several months and what brought an end to it was LSD ... it just amplifies my female body appreciation especially in connection with music. If I remember correctly it started with House music videos - which are hilarious on LSD - especially if they are funny or tell some sort of a story - and then the ladies. If I had to blame one video for killing my nofap streak it would be this one:



And from there it escalated quickly :cool:


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27012344 - 10/30/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
You think they had that amount of weed back in the biblical days?



:hahawtf: That's a good joke hahaha


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: willywanka]
    #27422059 - 08/10/21 04:16 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I personally didn't notice the difference, friend.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: Cobalt117]
    #27422187 - 08/10/21 07:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Shroom sex is wild.

Shroom fappin.. not so much. IME Shrooms is more fun as a couple, with a shared experience.


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Re: Shrooms and nofap? [Re: bagga]
    #27430911 - 08/16/21 09:15 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

It is wild.  Something about it gets me going, and my girl loves it for sure.  For whatever reason I can go and go and go but can’t ever finish.  Had the same issue taking Demerol post surgery. Weird.


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