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    #27005451 - 10/26/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I call them horror dreams because they are not nightmares. A nightmare for me has a dark foreboding energy, a creeping kind of darkness which makes me panic and struggle to wake up from because I want no part in feeling that energy. Luckily I don't have a lot of nightmares these days - the ones I do have are pretty mild.

However, I've been having more of a different kind of dream lately. I've had about 3 of these kind of dreams in the last few months. There is no creeping terror or panic, just dreams that feel like watching a horror movie with a terrible feeling in my stomach and maybe someone could share their thoughts about this. I know nobody here is a trained psychologist besides Markos but maybe someone else has/had these kinds of dreams or can give insight into them.

The first one I had was about a month and a half ago or so and in the dream my family and I are walking around a war zone. We are on some kind of lift, looking down at the area. Nothing really all that interesting, pretty much emotionally neutral and not nearing anything scary or on the other hand blissful. Then I hear a loud explosion go off and I hear my dad screaming in pain. It seems he accidentally stepped on a land mine. His screams fill me with horror and a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. I briefly see him hobbling around in agony and the dream ends.

I woke up feeling like shit, like damn I really didn't want to experience that. It made me really hope that nothing like that ever happened in real life in the future. It also made me realize how I kind of idolize my father and don't really acknowledge his mortality and fragility.

About a week ago I had a similar dream. This time, I'm walking down a city block with my parents. We overhear some kind of confrontation going on - I can't see what's happening but apparently a few thugs are bothering an innocent woman. My dad foolishly gets involved and basically tells the guys to fuck off and leave the woman alone. What happens next I don't visibly see but I hear my dad struggling and then making horrible groans and yelling painfully. I can't see what the thugs are doing to him but it sounds really terrible. I'm hearing my dad being killed and I'm powerless to stop it (although I didn't feel particularly any way about not being able to stop it). I want to stress that this feels nothing like a nightmare - I don't wake up with a gasp and there is no fear experienced.. just a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. My last thought before the dream ended: "Fuck..."

Then last night I experienced a third dream like this. The dream didn't make much sense. My sister who is about 12 years clean from all drugs and alcohol was telling me that she wanted to try DMT. I thought this was odd because she had been sober for so long and couldn't imagine her breaking that streak just to try DMT once. Next thing I know, I'm sitting in a kind of stadium seating with a bunch of other people and we're watching a forest catch fire. Then I find out that my sister is in there and start to get concerned. I got that terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach again as my sister caught fire. This was so horrible I don't even want to describe it but she caught fire and we started yelling her name in horror - she came running out of the forest but there was no water for her to jump in and well.. yeah. My thought again: "Fuck..."

I wonder if these dreams are subtly helping me in some way to acknowledge the potential horrors of life and make me more grateful for living in relative peace. Or if I'm being taught to be grateful of my family while they're still here. I don't feel any different now after having had these dreams. Perhaps tonight I will reflect on them in meditation and see what I can draw from them. Dreams for me in the past have been an avenue for self understanding and can't help but feel like I'm having these dreams for good reason.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27005490 - 10/26/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I do have similar dreams sometimes.

Sometime ago I read that a partial function of dreaming is to prepare you for potential happenings of that sort in real life in order for you to react to the situation appropriately. I like this idea.

I for example live in a place where violent home invasions are not unusual. It's one of my biggest concerns when it comes to the safety of my family. Sometimes I dream about it. I think it's quite possible that these dreams will help me to react in the best possible way, instead of freezing or something similar, if this dream becomes reality one day.

Maybe with all the things happening these days, your subconciousness is trying to prepare you for certain situations too.

This is all just hypotheses but I feel there light be some truth in it.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: Fridgedoor]
    #27005789 - 10/27/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the art of affliction, easily tangles up in the affliction of art, so much that affliction itself can be perfected as much as the workings of a carpet weaver, the preparation of fine baked goods, and the practice of medicine.

by being immersed in pain - and taking it seriously and making an artform out of it - constantly revisiting and refining the veracity of each form of each part of it, this pain begins to transcend all else - above all it is my art form, my perfect ailment...

How many of us are swallowed by this? obsessed with our own perfect imperfection(s).

I think that you may yes have trauma that connects in some way to part of the horror of your dreams, but, over time, I think you have come to identify with aspects of horror, and you work to perfect it. Revisiting parts of it to make sure it is still there and still as terrible as it might be etc. It is a strong and painful habit.

What would help is to select a few elements of horror, and bring them out of context, i.e. depict the monster drinking tea out of fine china and nothing harmed, etc. creating connections that include the obsessed upon detail in touch with what you find more congenial. In this way welcoming the darker bits back into the totality of yourself. Done as a practice, it becomes a healthy habit.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27005955 - 10/27/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure how you got that RGV but it is spot on.

Without turning this into a therapy session, I do indeed tend to obsess over my trauma and I've been really good at victimizing myself for a long time.

When I was a child and had night terrors, one of my coping mechanisms was to draw the monsters in my dreams but make them look silly and harmless. This made me feel better. So I suppose what you are saying is that I can do this with my trauma. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks for your responses, both of you.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27005974 - 10/27/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

cool, let us know how it goes


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27006105 - 10/27/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27006230 - 10/27/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think drawing them is great, but best to draw them accurately (to your ability, not necessarily photographic perfection) and allow  some of the discomfort and fears to emerge while doing the work as truthfully as you can.

Meanwhile -

the peaceful drawing environment (have a cup of hot chocolate or anything else you like nearby etc. avoid superstition and quote " magical talismans" you do not need that, and it mixes up your clear feelings - you want clarity) will add to the new associations you make with the image.

Consider doing it a few times, and do not spend more than 40 minutes in any of these self therapy drawing psychological reconnecting sessions.

Eventually things will be as they always were, as truthfully as possible, nothing changed, but you will be more free than before when confronted (I do not subscribe to making monsters cute or different or assuming that you have power over them, or that you are under their power - they are just images - concretizations of your self. it is not necessary to over power them or placate them, just keep it simple. The object is to normalize them as they are so you can freely visit your memories and your psychological landscape without cringing).

I think it is important to avoid superstitious practices unless you are already immersed in a superstitious culture. Superstition can work if it is your framework, but it does not work if you are not part of congregation of believers. how it works is topic for another thread. I call that sort of thing proxy magic: Clear intent, proxy magic ritual, likely results; and I never recommend it for anything unless you are driving and the car is out of control, take that wheel and yell out to god (even if you do not believe) I have see it work!


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27006498 - 10/27/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I understand. I tend to try to avoid the cringing which just makes it more powerful. Sometimes I think to just let the cringe happen and then "blow it away" as I do when I meditate - this is sometimes successful and sometimes not. I'm going to give it a shot - I have a comfortable spot at a desk where I like to draw so I'll do it there and do the practice earnestly. I don't think I'm superstitious . When I meditate I don't expect anything supernatural to happen. The extent of my superstitious practices amounts to occasional prayer in times of desperation - it worked as a child to get rid of the night terrors but definitely doesn't work for everything.

Thanks RGV.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27006562 - 10/27/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

cool, glad it connects for you so far.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #27007836 - 10/28/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm a connoisseur of bad dreams, nightmares, sleep paralysis, and so on, so I enjoyed reading your descriptions and thinking about what they might mean. I don't think I'll have much insight. Lately I've been having very emotionally charged exchanges with my parents, especially my mother, in my dreams, that often leave me crying or shaking with rage. They seem to be related to emotions from my early childhood and adolescence that I've disconnected with or ignored - and they seem to have to do with my attitudes toward authority more generally, and to my quest to figure out how to take responsibility for my life and my actions and become a functioning adult who isn't full of resentment, self-loathing and fear of failure.

I'm familiar with the brutal, banal-but-gory category of dreams you're describing. I'm not sure how to interpret gratuitous violence and gore in dreams - though their wellspring is obviously deeper in the psyche, I do tend to have dreams like that after drinking alcohol or eating lots of refined sugar in the evenings, in other words giving my body some unaccustomed and not necessarily health kind of energy to process during the sleep cycle.

The worst kind of horror dreams for me involve Kafka-esque metaphysical labyrinths where I appear to be trapped or have been trapped for decades or infinite time in layer upon layer of delusion, fear and psychological torture. Those dreams often seem to have maniacal or demonic entities in them. They always leave me deeply shaken when I wake up, and are often subsequently followed by more horror dreams.

I used to have those kinds of dreams much more often when I was unaware that I was living with PTSD and just self-medicating with any substances I happened to have around. Also, looking back at the gestalt, they seemed to be spurring on, or being caused by, my growing awareness of the spiritual dimension of life - the overall breakdown of the meanings I had inherited in my life and the intuition that there were much more profound meanings to be found, but with the growing knowledge (or fear and projection) that finding those meanings would involve looking at and directly confronting the darkest parts of my life & human existence in general.


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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: Lion]
    #27008119 - 10/28/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

applying calm for peace is as good as processing things

like getting wheat milling

just saying


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    #27009549 - 10/29/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the vote of confidence but mental health professionals tend to parrot what is trendy especially in this increasingly secular, non-spiritual, non-ritual world we're in. That you differentiate your nightmares from horror dreams is an interesting  and thoughtful distinction but I'd simply add that either case is possibly a matter of anxiety finding a means of making itself known. I used to have eerie frightening dreams of a newly discovered room in my late ex-wife's house during my years in a terrible marriage. Those uncanny creepy dreams WERE frightening in a very different way than those stupid dreams of being pursued by Godzilla! So I appreciate the nuance in your description. Our dream egos are created anew in each dream and have no connection to our body or physical world nor to the dream-egos that arose in any other dreams preceding. Although there are times in dreams when I've felt I'd been in that dream before. There are recurrent dreams. I used to have a recurrent nightmare when I was 30 months old and just moved to our house. I remember the moment I overcame it and stood up to the nocturnal terror. It was a milestone for individuation as the 'monster' was an iteration of the Negative Feminine ("Terrible Mother"), a kind of Gorgon-esque aspect of my own mother.

I pay attention to anthropologists, even religious folk when it comes to dreams since apart from the psychodynamic schools of Freud and Jung the more interesting takes come from fields other than modern European or American psychology. The popular neuropsychology of today regards the contents of dream irrelevant, as merely 'off-gassing' unprocessed images and emotions,  just meaningless junk. This attitude is no doubt short-sighted and erroneous made by those who might practice scientism and think they can dismiss wisdom from non-scientific idioms. I mean Freud himself identified with the character Joseph the dream interpreter from Genesis 41. And why not? The story is fabulous especially if one is interested in ancient Egypt. :shrug: I've read and dabbled in magick in my youth and later embarked on years of personal analysis and training seminars, but anyone who proclaims they are an expert in dreams or their interpretation should be assiduously avoided for their hubris IMO. When I used to write for Quora I'd always use a pre-fab answer telling those who expected a dream interpretation from an image or a brief sequence were just inviting bullshit from people who were guessing, making shit up, or projecting their own material onto the inquirer. One needs to have background on a person and know something about their current life circumstances before even amplifying certain dream images. Amplification requires some knowledge of folklore, fairytales,  and mythology. The emotions in dreams are just as important as the images and actions.


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Re: Horror Dreams [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #27009623 - 10/29/20 04:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Some say you need to be a prophet to actually decode the meaning of dreams?


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    #27011061 - 10/29/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Like being a saint, these epithets may be more ordinary than one thinks. Rev. George A. Malony apparently thought so from his book contents like Listen, Prophets! I gave that book away and now I see it costing $885.00 or $896.09 on Amazon. There is one paperback for $7.01 but while I found George to be a very cool guy and a couple of other books of his books to be edifying in the late '70s, I can't say as I've ever experienced myself as a prophet in any sense of being precient or precognitive about anything significantly objective. :shrug:


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