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DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP!
    #26987161 - 10/15/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi - I attempted a DMT extraction using Mimosa Hostillis Root. My source:
https://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/mimosa1dmtextraction.htm

Everything was going exactly according to plan until I hit the evaporation stage in the baking dish.  My solvent simply evaporated leaving no crystal structure behind.  I did keep the root bark solution in case there is a way to salvage this.  Any thoughts?


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #26987185 - 10/15/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26987194 - 10/15/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the move.  Really hoping i didnt waste the last month.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #26987209 - 10/15/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its happened to me as well. My first extraction was about a 10-20% success based on the yield I got.

Since its your first time, it could be the technique you used. I like to the Thick Light Tek. Its pretty simple and yields some pretty good results.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26987237 - 10/15/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think I used a very old method... i chose it because it was the most thorough.  Thick Light Tek?  Is there a link for this? TIA


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #26987244 - 10/15/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26987416 - 10/15/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

how much bark did you extract from? sounds like you did 1 pull on a small amount. If the naphtha is not saturated and your dish was too large and the fan evaporated it too quickly you wouldn't necessarily get crystals, especially if it wasn't a clean pull. you most likely had a thin film of oil on the surface of the dish and that's your yield if you could scrape it up.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Icon] * 1
    #26987592 - 10/15/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Started with 100g.  Should have been plenty. My process included acidifying with muriatic acid and defatting. Then removing the MHRB pulp prior to turning it into a base with Sodium Hydroxide (see link above) on complete method.    All i have left is a slick film on my tray after evaporation. So you are 100% correct. The yield should have been much higher.

I still have the bottom base solution I syphoned off the naptha from... Im wondering if i could try again with more Naptha.



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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #26987743 - 10/15/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yield is about 1%, and it takes more than 1 pull to get that full yield. First pulls are often only like 30% of the total you can get, so you could estimate about 300mg per pull. Depending on how big your baking tray is, that's not a lot of yield for a lot of surface area. You probably only need about 50ml of naphtha for an extraction that small. You could do another pull and evaporate your naphtha down to 30ml and put it into a shotglass to concentrate whatever might show up. You could heat your jar in a crockpot first and keep it as warm as possible during the pull. Heat allows the naphtha to soak up more DMT. You could also try a freeze precipitation instead of evaporation. You'd heat the jar, do your warm pull, evaporate the pulled naphtha down to a shotglass and put it in the freezer. Cold naphtha can't keep DMT dissolved so after 12 hours you should have crystals if the bark is good and you didn't suck up lye with your naphtha.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #26987746 - 10/15/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, absolutely try again.

This time warm it up in a sink of water so it is warm to touch and only use ~50ml solvent. Turn the jar  end on end slowly for 5 minutes then let sit for 5 minutes, four times. Then pull.

Evaporate by half. If the solvent is not turning cloudy at this stage it is a fail.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Icon]
    #26987831 - 10/16/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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how much bark did you extract from? sounds like you did 1 pull on a small amount. If the naphtha is not saturated and your dish was too large and the fan evaporated it too quickly you wouldn't necessarily get crystals, especially if it wasn't a clean pull. you most likely had a thin film of oil on the surface of the dish and that's your yield if you could scrape it up.




Im guessing this question was for me. I think I used 100grams if I recall.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26988097 - 10/16/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, friends.  I'll try again and report back.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! [Re: Brian77] * 1
    #26988522 - 10/16/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nature boys STB tek, flawless. Works with powdered. 1st and only one I've ever or will ever use. 100g of MHRB, 1st pull.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Northerner]
    #27004156 - 10/26/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, absolutely try again.

This time warm it up in a sink of water so it is warm to touch and only use ~50ml solvent. Turn the jar  end on end slowly for 5 minutes then let sit for 5 minutes, four times. Then pull.

Evaporate by half. If the solvent is not turning cloudy at this stage it is a fail.





Completed. Results are very minimal, but it is there.  Im guessing doing a third pull is not likely to accomplish anything better. But I do have a question: The pH is only about 9-10. Could I add more NaOH to raise the pH and try again, or should I just move on? 

If moving on, I have 100g of MHBR left (in bark form).  Should I use a method that utilizes whole bark or convert to powder and use Nomans or Nature Boy Tek?  I have a vitamix so converting to powder is not a problem. TIA.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #27004183 - 10/26/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

A pH of 9 is a bit too low I'd say. 10 to 11 would be ideal to freebase 99% of the dmt.

I'd add more NaOH, wait an hour, then pull again. :shrug:

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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27004275 - 10/26/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not much to lose at this point. I'll give it a go.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #27004912 - 10/26/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'd push it up well past 11, even up to >12. I believe the freebase reaction completes at 10.7, if I have been informed correctly, but that is in a pure solution. Extra base certainly helps to break down the cells of the plant matter and release the alkaloids.

Nuke it man. 40g of lye per litre of mixture is my go to.

Powdered bark is the go to as well.

edit: or it may be 10.3 to freebase DMT completely, I'm not sure now. I always push it much higher than 11 so it's never been an issue. I just remember someone hacking at me for using lye and saying other bases with lower pH are fine. I said sodium carbonate should complete the reaction then as it's got ph10.7... so it must be 10.3 they were saying. Someone much more knowledgable than either of us chemistry wise commented something, I think it was about polarity, as to why lye is more effective than other bases for freebasing DMT. Aaaaanyhow, the take home was using lye at >ph11 was most effective with bark extractions.


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27005867 - 10/27/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Nature boys STB tek, flawless. Works with powdered. 1st and only one I've ever or will ever use. 100g of MHRB, 1st pull.





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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Northerner]
    #27006346 - 10/27/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I nuked it!  Naptha is yellow. Feeling optimistic!!!!


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Re: DMT extraction Fail - Need HELP! (moved) [Re: Brian77]
    #27006477 - 10/27/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome man. :thumbup:

I remember now that thread. Sodium hydroxide has a greater ionic strength than other bases, which is what makes it so powerful. That is why some teks call for adding more salt, to further increase this value.


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