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LeningradCowboy
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Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic
#27003864 - 10/25/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dutch nurses and doctors are suing the dutch government for what they call fake medical pandemic and saying no to corona vaccines.
More in here:
https://darkoutpost.com/health/doctors-for-truth-tens-of-thousands-medical-professionals-suing-and-calling-for-end-to-covid-tyranny/
Opinions?
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#27003926 - 10/26/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Belongs in the conspiracy forum.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: LeningradCowboy] 2
#27004022 - 10/26/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Partly misinformation (the largest part), partly valid concern (a considerably smaller part) - entirely NOT representative of the actual opinion and viewpoint of medical professionals in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
We see a lot of resistance and demonstrations currently popping up all across Europe against covid measures. For a large part, this is fueled by conspiracy theories, misinformation etc. Some arguments the protestors use are however quite sensible and grounded in reasonable considerations. It's a matter of separating the chaff from the wheat.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27004072 - 10/26/20 06:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Complete and total bullshit. Fortunately misinformation like this is only dangerous to people that shouldn't be reproducing in the first place.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: pslyke] 1
#27004073 - 10/26/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Complete and total bullshit. Fortunately misinformation like this is only dangerous to people that shouldn't be reproducing in the first place.
False. Misinformation is a danger to everyone when it comes to easily spread communicable diseases.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#27004188 - 10/26/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Complete and total bullshit. Fortunately misinformation like this is only dangerous to people that shouldn't be reproducing in the first place.
False. Misinformation is a danger to everyone when it comes to easily spread communicable diseases.
Correct, and I would further argue that it is MOST dangerous to to people who shouldn't be reproducing in the first place...since statistically they have the most children.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: koraks]
#27004352 - 10/26/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Partly misinformation (the largest part), partly valid concern (a considerably smaller part) - entirely NOT representative of the actual opinion and viewpoint of medical professionals in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
We see a lot of resistance and demonstrations currently popping up all across Europe against covid measures. For a large part, this is fueled by conspiracy theories, misinformation etc. Some arguments the protestors use are however quite sensible and grounded in reasonable considerations. It's a matter of separating the chaff from the wheat.
Would you call it a sensible stance to feel like the global response to Covid has been absurdly disproportionate to the severity of the illness?
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: koraks]
#27004483 - 10/26/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Partly misinformation (the largest part), partly valid concern (a considerably smaller part) - entirely NOT representative of the actual opinion and viewpoint of medical professionals in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
We see a lot of resistance and demonstrations currently popping up all across Europe against covid measures. For a large part, this is fueled by conspiracy theories, misinformation etc. Some arguments the protestors use are however quite sensible and grounded in reasonable considerations. It's a matter of separating the chaff from the wheat.
Exactly, this is no 5g is covid-19 bullshit IMHO. This is medical professionals speaking andopening their mouths about subject. This is not either corporation owned media bs.
At this point in my opinion we should listen to the folks in service, not the ones writing the articles or speking in news.
At least People should study different sources of information. Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. Are sensoring lot of stuff. Covid is not the only subject under the radar. Harm reduction sites and dmt are good exsamples of that.
Change from google to duckduckgo and the data is completly different.
But slowly data starts to leak to mainstream media. Example this one:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-der-heijden-re-test-negative-for-covid-19-raises-doubts-over-pcr-test-accuracy/
And this one:
https://www.mcknights.com/news/about-one-fourth-of-snfs-reported-false-positives-from-antigen-tests-industry-study-finds/
Im just asking people to get some data elsewhere than from corporation media. It is really weird that people who have been lied for years that lsd makes you psycho and weed makes you want to fuck black men belive what government/corporations tell about this one.
I´m not saying virus is not real, lost one family member my self.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: nooneman] 1
#27004608 - 10/26/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Belongs in the conspiracy forum.
There are a couple posters that just continually spam the forums with this shit. As a harm reduction site, we should be banning this crap. Our culture is getting far too tolerant of disinformation.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: koods]
#27004625 - 10/26/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dissinformation?
Those too links are from mainstream media. Top one is from press conference.
Are you serious?
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: yeah] 1
#27004627 - 10/26/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah said:
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koraks said: Partly misinformation (the largest part), partly valid concern (a considerably smaller part) - entirely NOT representative of the actual opinion and viewpoint of medical professionals in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
We see a lot of resistance and demonstrations currently popping up all across Europe against covid measures. For a large part, this is fueled by conspiracy theories, misinformation etc. Some arguments the protestors use are however quite sensible and grounded in reasonable considerations. It's a matter of separating the chaff from the wheat.
Would you call it a sensible stance to feel like the global response to Covid has been absurdly disproportionate to the severity of the illness?
The relatively successful nature of the response is why you don’t think it’s that severe. You have the luxury of not seeing what exponential growth of a highly contagious virus that makes a decent percentage of the population extremely sick looks like. Covid is the third leading cause of death in the US and that is with all the restrictions. US mortality is up 20% this year. We saw what happens with uncontrolled spread in places where the virus hit early, like New York City which saw weeks with 8x the normal number of deaths.
If everyone just wore a mask and avoided crowds indoors we’d be in a much better place but it seems the people most aggrieved about lockdowns are also the most aggrieved by taking the most basic and least burdensome actions that help end them.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: LeningradCowboy] 2
#27004630 - 10/26/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Dissinformation?
Those too links are from mainstream media. Top one is from press conference.
Are you serious?
Yes you are a peddler of disinformation
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: koods]
#27004914 - 10/26/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is funny that your expert of every field. Even when professionals or professors of some field say something you know better.
But no need for me to continue with you on this one. I do my part in this society to take care of those who cannot do it by them selfs.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: koods]
#27004936 - 10/26/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Belongs in the conspiracy forum.
There are a couple posters that just continually spam the forums with this shit. As a harm reduction site, we should be banning this crap. Our culture is getting far too tolerant of disinformation.
If the Dutch nurses and doctors are spreading the misinformation, shouldn't we know this so that people don't buy into the misinformation? I don't see the harm in knowing the valid arguments against the potential misinformation.
Maybe the arguments of the Dutch nurses and doctors belong in the conspiracy forum, but not the news of them suing the government.
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: qman]
#27005022 - 10/26/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Dutch nurses and doctors suing government for fake medicinal pandemic [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#27005027 - 10/26/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: It is funny that your expert of every field. Even when professionals or professors of some field say something you know better.
But no need for me to continue with you on this one. I do my part in this society to take care of those who cannot do it by them selfs.

I have no interest in listening to someone who is posting links calling public health measures “tyranny.” Those arguments are absurd and not rational. If you’re engaging in that kind of bullshit, you’re a disinformation peddler. And you are doing that.
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#27005575 - 10/27/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: Partly misinformation (the largest part), partly valid concern (a considerably smaller part) - entirely NOT representative of the actual opinion and viewpoint of medical professionals in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.
We see a lot of resistance and demonstrations currently popping up all across Europe against covid measures. For a large part, this is fueled by conspiracy theories, misinformation etc. Some arguments the protestors use are however quite sensible and grounded in reasonable considerations. It's a matter of separating the chaff from the wheat.
Would you call it a sensible stance to feel like the global response to Covid has been absurdly disproportionate to the severity of the illness?
I didn't call their stance sensible. I indicated that some of the arguments protestors give are sensible. Let me give you two that are worth considering: * Several governments are flirting with unconstitutional interventions as part of the crisis response. * The lockdown has severe effects on society and the economy. * Several hospitals, at least in The Netherlands and probably elsewhere too, are scaling down regular healthcare with poses risks to non-covid patients. In the light of such arguments, it's not surprising that some people draw into doubt the entire crisis response. I'm not one of those people; I think it's a difficult dilemma, but that ultimately the measures that most Western nations are taking are a necessity, despite their (often quite severe) drawbacks. But it would be too easy to put down ALL protestors and critics of the crisis response measures as asinine lunatics. While I think that ultimately their reasoning is flawed in the sense that they attribute too much weight to a handful of arguments while neglecting the bigger picture and the true severity of the pandemic itself, it doesn't help to keep yelling that ALL their arguments are bullshit. It's up to the more sensible among us to recognize the few arguments that are valid concerns and try to address them as well as we can in further developing our necessary crisis response measures.
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qman said: If the Dutch nurses and doctors are spreading the misinformation, shouldn't we know this so that people don't buy into the misinformation? I don't see the harm in knowing the valid arguments against the potential misinformation.
Maybe the arguments of the Dutch nurses and doctors belong in the conspiracy forum, but not the news of them suing the government.
It's not THE Dutch nurses & doctors. It's a VERY SMALL MINORITY of them. The opinion expressed in the video is NOT representative for what lives among the Dutch healthcare community in the least. That's what bugs me in this whole thing; before you know it, people are believing that the Dutch healthcare sector by and large is some kind of lunatic asylum that's disconnected from reality. Please be careful in your formulation.
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