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teknix
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Differentiating the Love you feel?
#27002745 - 10/25/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi everyone! Long time no chat.
I want to begin this discussion with some examples:
You are with a person for a while and being around that person you begin to feel something very pleasant in your chest. You decide that this feeling is love. You then associate that feeling with the person you are with, giving them credit for the feeling you are experiencing. So then a line is drawn from that feeling to that person, a string connecting the two, in pure assumption, that it is the person that causes you to feel that feeling.
Now say you are sitting there alone and meditating, remembering the feeling you felt that day with the person. You feel that feeling again and presumably relate that feeling to that person once again. Now you assume to have 2 pieces of evidence that tie that feeling to that person.
Now lets switch it up, you are sitting there meditating not thinking about any particular person or thing, no thoughts, a clear mind, and start feeling that feeling in your chest again. Now that you have correlated that feeling to that person you presumably begin to think of that person. This is because you have already correlated that feeling with a particular person and are now bound by those strings created from the feeling to that person. Inextricably bound? Not quite.
The feeling of love is a subconscious decision, you are inadvertently deciding to feel that way. Bringing that subconscious decision to the forefront of ones mind and making it a conscious choice one can realize that they were feeling love, not attached to any person or any thing, but simply deciding to feel that feeling.
Now if you take it a step further, how do you differentiate the love you feel for oneself versus the love you feel for another? Is it VIA thoughts that you are thinking when the feeling arises? Is it your environment and the people in your presence? Is it purely instinct? Some primal mechanism within us telling us to love this particular person? Or is it simple correlations and restrictions put in place through conditioning?
If you are feeling love or loving someone, how do you know it is not yourself that is being loved rather than the person, I mean it is you that are feeling it, even if someone else says they are feeling it, can you really know if they are feeling that same feeling you are feeling?
What if you are just walking around feeling love all the time, how would you say that it is because of this person or this thing at any given time? Are we conditioned to believe that the feelings we feel require others?
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Rahz
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Re: Differentiating the Love you feel? [Re: teknix]
#27003211 - 10/25/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think to a large degree people feel love for those who consistently cause no harm and are of good humor. In this sense love is a feeling of appreciation.
This is perhaps different than your example, if we're talking about a dopamine fueled sensation that helps make babies. But your example could apply if a person has had enough negative experiences that an individual was seen as the only decent person alive (not being facetious).
And yes, I think people differentiate based on thoughts and memories (of others) and present thoughts and feelings about one's self.
I think we are genetically disposed to associate love with others, but such is an adjunct for simply feeling good/love about one's self. I think with enough time these variations and their meanings tend to become clear and we become more ourselves though some are more challenged in this regard than others and we are all challenged to some degree.
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teknix
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Re: Differentiating the Love you feel? [Re: Rahz]
#27003323 - 10/25/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A love gene is an interesting thought, but I'm not sure how we would go about finding it! I don't personally confuse the primal instinct to mate with love, you love your mother but you don't wanna mate with her :P It's interesting that we sometimes try to impose what we think onto what we feel. I don't think the greatest articulation could ever truly and adequately describe a feeling.
We are basically trained at a young age to say "I love you" to your family, prior to such a feeling. It's just meaningless words if you aren't actually feeling it. It's a wonder to think that people go through life with only thoughts and ideas of love, saying it thousands of times throughout their lifetime, without actually feeling it.
Even more-so when people weaponize the words against those that actually do feel it, for their own personal gain.
Love to me is a very specific feeling beginning in a specific location, thoughts and ideas aren't the feeling. I guess feelings are a sort of a gnosis, a knowing/experience that transcends thoughts.
But the question remains as to the association of the feeling to that of others. You say genetic, but it seems like there is evidence of conditioning from childhood. From friends and families, beginning at a young age, love is implanted as an idea or concept, and those concepts restrict the feeling to a little box of dependence upon others.
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Re: Differentiating the Love you feel? [Re: teknix]
#27003409 - 10/25/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Expressions of love can be, and thus are, manipulated but at most basic we consider it to be a good feeling so we attempt to instill the value of it in childhood. Whether this has an overall positive effect I don't know, but suspect leading by example is also present when it does seem to be effective. Otherwise it is just words.
Anyway, it's difficult to separate the selfish aspect from a totally unconditional love. If we do not love the most despicable, do we love without condition? Obviously not. That's why I consider love to be a sense of appreciation. There are avenues. The loveless may have lessons to teach. A sense of compassion, pity, sympathy. Everyone sees things a bit differently. Should we love only a person's good qualities? And in doing so are we loving them, or who we think they are or could be?
Been a long time since I've had any heroes. I try to not look up or down on anyone. I tend to think people are generally dumb, but I struggle with basic things myself sometimes.
Regarding the idea of genetics, I don't know if there's a love gene. It seems more like we're built to experience love/appreciation. The heart chakra produces those feelings for various reasons and that seems to be the reason we have trouble with living the simple life, going after things and people that will provide good feelings. The brain, which could be helpful in that regard is also what singles out people, things, experiences and gives them more value than they perhaps deserve. It's an efficiency/survival mechanism I suppose.
Perhaps love is an underlying feeling of being okay, always present but at various times covered up by other emotions, fears, doubts, etc.?
A placid pond is easy to disturb. And yet no matter how many rocks are thrown, as soon as the activity is gone the placidity returns.
Still, many people want to know, what makes love strong?
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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Re: Differentiating the Love you feel? [Re: Rahz]
#27003449 - 10/25/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Rahz said:
Anyway, it's difficult to separate the selfish aspect from a totally unconditional love. If we do not love the most despicable, do we love without condition? Obviously not. That's why I consider love to be a sense of appreciation. There are avenues. The loveless may have lessons to teach. A sense of compassion, pity, sympathy. Everyone sees things a bit differently. Should we love only a person's good qualities? And in doing so are we loving them, or who we think they are or could be?
Been a long time since I've had any heroes. I try to not look up or down on anyone. I tend to think people are generally dumb, but I struggle with basic things myself sometimes.
Regarding the idea of genetics, I don't know if there's a love gene. It seems more like we're built to experience love/appreciation. The heart chakra produces those feelings for various reasons and that seems to be the reason we have trouble with living the simple life, going after things and people that will provide good feelings. The brain, which could be helpful in that regard is also what singles out people, things, experiences and gives them more value than they perhaps deserve. It's an efficiency/survival mechanism I suppose.
Still, many people want to know, what makes love strong?
Choosing to love all is a choice some consciously choose to make, such as a Bodhisattva's vow, or the Christ Mind for example. I consciously choose to have no love for evil, nor to show evil any love. I think the reason people choose to love, even when logic and reason would say otherwise, is hope. Perhaps that is the strength in love, that it can defy logic and reason.
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