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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: feevers]
    #27005979 - 10/27/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You just interpreted the liver part it in the dumbest way possible. You should watch the vegan episodes and tell me the vegans dont sound like quacks, while also looking physically a decade older than everyone else.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: trees]
    #27006010 - 10/27/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

his organ supplements is a scam through, they are just rebranded from another brand and more expensive then the regular brand

heres the real OG of carnivore Vilhjalmur Stefannson



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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: trees] * 1
    #27006035 - 10/27/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You just interpreted the liver part it in the dumbest way possible. You should watch the vegan episodes and tell me the vegans dont sound like quacks, while also looking physically a decade older than everyone else.




I didn't interpret anything. He literally said eating raw liver will get you high, and has in the past as well (I've heard his shpiel before). He is the archetypical quack: Fringe theory rooted in shaky data and "natural/evolution" claims, claims the establishment is against him, has a book to sell, has placebo supplements to sell.

I didn't say anything about vegans or carnivore or anything, I specifically said I wouldn't comment on the claims. Debating nutrition is like debating religion these days, everyone just takes whatever incomplete evidence they can find to support whatever ideology they want to be the truth.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: feevers]
    #27006044 - 10/27/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Any food can make you "feel high" i feel high when i eat spicy indian food. Hes not saying its got psychoactive compounds, which is why yes you did interpret it on the most reeee way possible. "He said it gets you high like a drug! :crankey:, what quack"

Id rather debate the cholesterol part which is was the main subject of this thread.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: feevers]
    #27006047 - 10/27/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the book to sell is a bad point IMO, that I find every uses against every doctor with books to sell, if you are passionate about something, and you have seen improvements in people you have treated with it, of course you are going to want to write a book on it, most people with these types of books have released all the info on the internet for free via blog posts and youtube videos and such anyways, the books are just for people that are also passionate about the concept and want to own something physical about it, I usually binge watch these peoples videos and posts like Fung, and Dinicolantonio, and Taubes, and I find the books to be a good addition, a little more structured and thought out


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: trees]
    #27006056 - 10/27/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Any food can get you feel high i feel high when i eat spicy indian food. Hes not saying its got psychoactive compounds, which is why yes you did interpret it on the most reeee way possible. "He said it gets you high like a drug! :crankey:, what quack"

Id rather debate the cholesterol part which is was the main subject of this thread.




The pain signal released by capsaicin causes an endorphin release which creates a pretty clear and measurable physiological "high". He's implying that raw liver (which he sells in supplement form) is so nutritious that the nutrients produce a high, which is the exact kind of claim you hear from Vitamin D or 'superfruit' powder infomercials at 2am. Even the host who had eaten the liver the guy brought said it didn't get make him feel anything. I've eaten raw liver in the past and the only thing I felt was regret.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: feevers]
    #27006064 - 10/27/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't interpret anything. He literally said eating raw liver will get you high, and has in the past as well (I've heard his shpiel before). He is the archetypical quack: Fringe theory rooted in shaky data and "natural/evolution" claims, claims the establishment is against him, has a book to sell, has placebo supplements to sell.

I didn't say anything about vegans or carnivore or anything, I specifically said I wouldn't comment on the claims. Debating nutrition is like debating religion these days, everyone just takes whatever incomplete evidence they can find to support whatever ideology they want to be the truth.



Most people. If i say something about nutrition, I probably read it in a texbook. I dont say many controversial things, though.

Right now if longevity is your goal the book states that the opposite of the carnivore diet- vegetarianism- is likely best. Or mediterranean diet.

There is definitely still much to learn about nutrition though. I highly doubt we will ever discover that a pure meat diet is optimal but ai suppose anything is possible.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: gopher]
    #27006067 - 10/27/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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the book to sell is a bad point IMO, that I find every uses against every doctor with books to sell, if you are passionate about something, and you have seen improvements in people you have treated with it, of course you are going to want to write a book on it, most people with these types of books have released all the info on the internet for free via blog posts and youtube videos and such anyways, the books are just for people that are also passionate about the concept and want to own something physical about it, I usually binge watch these peoples videos and posts like Fung, and Dinicolantonio, and Taubes, and I find the books to be a good addition, a little more structured and thought out




That has nothing to do with the fact that pretty much every quack fits the same equation though: Fringe theory based in shaky data, claims the establishment hates them, profits off what they're pushing by selling books and/or supplements and/or youtube/blog ads.

Lots of quacks genuinely believe in what they promote. Some are probably even right, but in the majority of cases the reason that the "establishment" rejects their theory is because the current research just doesn't support it, and them and their followers are relying on a level of faith more so than hard evidence to insist that their way is the 'best' way.


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: feevers]
    #27006101 - 10/27/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok well back to cholesterol if you guys are down.

Did you listen to his info, numbers and graphs about cholesterol? I honestly find it interesting and well enough backed up by records for us to sit the fuck down and consider it no matter how legit we think we are with our health and fittnss routine..

Does it stir a thought at all about what you thought in terms of limiting cholesterol and cholesterol = disease?


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: trees]
    #27006344 - 10/27/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

small dense LDL accumulates in the arterial wall causing atherosclerosis, carbohydrates are conducive to small dense LDL, saturated fats change them to the large fluffy LDL


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: gopher]
    #27007063 - 10/27/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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small dense LDL accumulates in the arterial wall causing atherosclerosis, carbohydrates are conducive to small dense LDL, saturated fats change them to the large fluffy LDL




So you didnt watch or listen to any of it at all. Why does LDL go up while youre fasting? LDL goes UP in hibernating bears. Yet they dont get atherosclerosis. Why do we only get atheroscletosis in arteries and not veins?

The phenomenon of :canthearyou: is the prevailing psychology among shroomerites

If you guys were legit youd rebut my arguments like truth seeking professionals, but nope, shroomerites will prefer the :canthearyou: route


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: trees]
    #27007085 - 10/27/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I did watch it, but he fails to take inconsideration theres different types of LDL

small dense LDL is the type that wedges itself into the arteries causing plaque buildup

large fluffy LDL passes through with no problems

you can get your doctor to test for each but its a unneeded test because your triglyceride / HDL ratio is a proxy marker for the type of LDL

https://time-restricted.com/2018/12/25/is-your-ldl-pattern-a-or-pattern-b

I assume LDL goes up while fasting because you are living off of pure fat, I assume its the safe LDL that rises as carbohydrates generally raise the small dense LDL, not fat

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also glycation probably effects the quality of LDL too, when sugar sticks to it


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Re: I found a recipe for carnivore meat loaf on reddit [Re: gopher]
    #27007100 - 10/27/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

He does talk of the various LDL, almost exactly as you describe but using different terms, describes LDL as a bus, empty or full. So i can safely say that you failed to listen closely. Understandble, as It is a little hard to follow, ive listened to it 3 times


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