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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Near Dylan]
    #27000804 - 10/24/20 04:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Near Dylan said:
Next these dudes are gonna say that pulling weeds is unethical because it's a living thing



Maintaining a yard at a house is like trying to control the population of China. I'm at the point where I really don't care anymore and I will actively kill ANY PLANT if I have to maintain it more than once a month besides watering. Rose bushes.. dead. Grass... Dead. Pine tree... Dead. Invasive plant species... Dead.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Asante]
    #27000881 - 10/24/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Lets say you;re in Colorado, one of the nicer minimum wage states cause its $12/hour there.




Hell, grunt work hanging gypsy moth traps in the early summer for the forest service pays $15+/hr.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: stubb] * 1
    #27001010 - 10/24/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I will kill nothing for any amount of paper. There are other ways to save a child asante :notsureif:


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Magenta]
    #27001337 - 10/24/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nope I seriously try to avoid harming any beings intentionally or even wishing/thinking for harm to happen if they annoy or harm me.
Even if you are defending yourself or the life of another you do not need to wish for the harm or ruination of the
afflicting being. If you induge in those thoughts it can only lead to the proliferation of these thoughts in the future.

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Any deed that emerges from hate—born, sourced, and originated
from hate—ripens where that new life-form is born.
And wherever that deed ripens, its result is experienced—either in the present life,
or in the next life, or in some subsequent period.

When an ignorant person acts
out of greed, hate, or delusion,
any deeds they have performed
—whether a little or a lot—
are to be experienced right here,
not in any other place.

So a wise person,
a mendicant arousing knowledge
of the outcome of greed, hate, and delusion,
abandons all bad destinations.

There’s no privacy in the world,
for someone who does bad deeds.
You’ll know for yourself,
whether you’ve lied or told the truth.

When you witness your good self,
you despise it;
while you disguise
your bad self inside yourself.

The gods and the Realized One see
the fool who lives unjustly in the world.
So with yourself in charge, live mindfully;
with the world in charge, be alert and practice absorption;
with the teaching in charge, live in line with that teaching:
a sage who tries for the truth doesn’t deteriorate.

Māra’s destroyed; the terminator’s overcome:
one who strives reaches the end of rebirth.
Poised, clever, knowing the world—
that sage identifies with nothing at all.”




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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Eggtimer]
    #27001872 - 10/24/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok hippie


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Near Dylan]
    #27002362 - 10/25/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mornin', Dylan....you're worthwhile, bro.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: 1234go]
    #27002369 - 10/25/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thanks


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #27002420 - 10/25/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Save a moth hug a Dylan :awehigh:


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27002460 - 10/25/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Would you kill a moth to save a Dylan?


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: 1234go] * 1
    #27002642 - 10/25/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Someone I care about? I already established that in the blend a kitten thread :ruggedwink:


Edit: not just the people I care about but also anyone who is not a rapist or cold blooded murderer etc.(I'd only take a life to save a life)


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #27002768 - 10/25/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To further squish this thread:

I have an Ivorian (Ivory Coast) online friend who's a university student. Because of extreme violence surrounding the elections, he and 7 friends fled to Liberia, his mother fled in another direction and his father got arrested.

So his father's in custody, so "sorta ok", his mother has managed to lend some money to keep on the good side of things and the 8 of them are now in a neighboring country, shacked up in the cheapest place they could rent and are now praying a hole in the ozone layer that the violence in their home country wanes in 1-2 weeks so they can return and pick up the pieces. They're sleeping on the ground and eat the bare minimum to stretch what they got as long as it goes.
A hundred dollars is a full month's minimum wage in Liberia.

Do you think they'd squish that bug?

I would, if it magically got them the $100.

They're an inventive bunch, university students, they'll come up with something.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Asante]
    #27002957 - 10/25/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
To further squish this thread:

I have an Ivorian (Ivory Coast) online friend who's a university student. Because of extreme violence surrounding the elections, he and 7 friends fled to Liberia, his mother fled in another direction and his father got arrested.

So his father's in custody, so "sorta ok", his mother has managed to lend some money to keep on the good side of things and the 8 of them are now in a neighboring country, shacked up in the cheapest place they could rent and are now praying a hole in the ozone layer that the violence in their home country wanes in 1-2 weeks so they can return and pick up the pieces. They're sleeping on the ground and eat the bare minimum to stretch what they got as long as it goes.
A hundred dollars is a full month's minimum wage in Liberia.

Do you think they'd squish that bug?

I would, if it magically got them the $100.

They're an inventive bunch, university students, they'll come up with something.




Ok then $1200, a year of wage to smash a baby kitten or puppy?
If you try to tear of the moth's wing it will try to get away from you if you try to tear off the puppies or kittens leg it will try to get away from you. Both are either automata that are essentially just robots no harm done or both have a conciseness that perceives injury in them and flees in fear... just like if someone were to try to tear your leg off it would cause great distress even if you didn't speak a language.

If you wouldn't intentionally smash a human for financial gain then why do the same to a being that may have a conciseness experience similar to yours.


http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/can-flies-feel-fear/
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A recent publication in Current Biology uses a new idea, called “emotional primitives,” to explore whether fruit flies can exhibit the hallmarks of an emotional state. Emotional primitives do not have to resemble the emotional behavior of humans; instead, they follow a set of rules which the authors claim should describe all behaviors arising from emotional states. In the paper, they use this concept to ask whether flies exhibit a fear-like state in response to a visual threat. What they find is that flies will either quickly move or begin hopping rapidly after exposure to the stimulus, and these behaviors increase with the intensity of the threat. Their response also lasts much longer than the threat itself, with the flies continuing to hop or run around for 10 to 20 seconds after the threat is gone. Most compellingly, starved flies will flee from food when threatened, and are reluctant to return until nearly a minute has passed since the threat.

Is this an example of an emotional response? Only a small fraction of flies show the hopping behavior, and the increase in the intensity of movement to a stronger stimulus is relatively small. However, the behavior’s persistence is clearly not due to a reflex, lending their hypothesis some credibility. Additionally, this study is one of the first attempts at developing a paradigm that allows us to study and talk about emotions in a scientifically rigorous way, and deserves praise for that. Model organisms are our best chance at understanding the biology behind emotions, and if we don’t have a reliable tool for discussing and evaluating emotions in these animals, we have no hope of making sense of feelings in ourselves.




Just think about the fact that something in you which you consider to be yourself experiences things like fear and joy and that creates a bodily response. So a being even a moth or fly must have some such being in them that drives them to action based on their biology and environment. Why intentionally harm such a being if you can avoid doing so?

This is just a thought experiment I can't blame you for your reasoning of why you would do it but I really don't think I would make the choice to do it.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Eggtimer] * 3
    #27002962 - 10/25/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Idk if ive ever seen someone seriosuly entertain one of Asante's posts


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Eggtimer]
    #27002991 - 10/25/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not saying insects don't have feelings, I think they do, but being squashed is a good way to go if you're a moth, and there's a conceivable higher purpose that outweighs the swift merciful death of a moth.

In some places they eat dogs and cats, and why should I emphathize more with a dog or cat than with a pig? Pigs are much more psychologically complex, just less suitable to pet in your lap.

I believe in sacrifice for the greater good. Most often, it is me self sacrificing for a greater good outside of myself in that equasion.

See this beautiful red rooster?





While my best friend was holding him I took his head into my hand and at once severed his neck, so we could eat him at Christmas.

If you can't bring yourself to do that you have no business eating meat.

Its murder, absolutely, just like your leather belt and shoes.

It was a very unpleasant affair, to slaughter the rooster. The amount of meat I eat has diminished since as i lean stronger and stronger towards vegetarianism.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Asante]
    #27003138 - 10/25/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If the 100 dollars went to people in distress/need...sure.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Asante]
    #27003224 - 10/25/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Dogs are bred to be a companion of humans. It's their domesticated purpose. Pigs and chickens were domesticated as food. That's the difference. Doesnt take a psychology degree.


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Magenta] * 1
    #27003528 - 10/25/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I ate a moth for $5 dollars in my youth so . . .


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: Near Dylan]
    #27003534 - 10/25/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Dogs are bred for a variety of reasons.  Hunting, fighting, racing, dog shows...


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: 1234go]
    #27003884 - 10/26/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't we kill chickens by dipping them in a vat of liquid hydrogen? It would be like the carbon freezing of Han Solo


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Re: Would you kill a moth for $100 [Re: twighead] * 1
    #27003947 - 10/26/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Moths aren't innocuous creatures. Certain species are really problematic in agriculture. Kill them all!


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