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Nikon Addict
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Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance 2
#27001344 - 10/24/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Experiential Avoidance is a term in psychology that describes a conscious (and perhaps subconscious) attempt by the individual to block out any type of experience even if it causes severe consequences... An example of this type of response would be a veteran who ends up on the streets due to PTSD... In an attempt to deal with their experience, they allow their lives to fall apart and end up homeless... All psychedelics seem to have a profound positive effect although researchers state they don't fully understand the mechanism...
Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance
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Fractal420
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Re: Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance [Re: Nikon Addict]
#27003985 - 10/26/20 03:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is some very important stuff, prolly would even help the homeless
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skOsH
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Re: Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance [Re: Fractal420]
#27004518 - 10/26/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's definitely a "falling off" effect after a while where it no longer gives the individual courage to experience new things.
Psychedelics can take one out of a rut, get them back on track, but after a while, at least in personal experience, the effect fades. Usually around the 1-2 year mark.
Of course if there were safe places to trip and also talk about anything you wanted without any fear then that would be amazing. I feel like some psychedelics are therapy on their own, but I have yet to do a psychedelic therapy session with a licensed professional. I'm not sure I would like it, and therein lies the rub. People too far removed from everything will absolutely not want to do psychedelics with therapy, that seems like it would terrify most people into even trying it, and theres no way to force them to do it.
My opinion they should just be legal and available to purchase after say, you sign a liability waiver....but that's not going to happen
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Holybullshit
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Re: Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance [Re: skOsH] 1
#27006307 - 10/27/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This has less to do with trying new things, and more to do with living with the past. Such as trauma or stress exposure. Experiential avoidance is also associated with depression and anxiety.
It's important because it means psychedelics may literally undo some of the neurological changes caused by mental illness, past trauma, or even childhood stress.
I imagine their best use is as you said, to get out of a rut, and then make positive life changes, learn sustainable techniques to cope, and adopt practices which bolster and preserve ones mental health separate from pharmacological intervention.
As far as their appeal to the naive public, I think clinical use makes it more attractive not less. It normalizes their use, takes away the stigma, that's the most important part.
And being assisted by professionals who are also their to intervene if necessary and assure a safe experience probably goes a long way to allay the fears and concerns of those victims of propaganda.
They won't be looking at it as recreation, they are trying to solve a problem in their life, so how enjoyable the environment is probably isn't a big concern.
Just like methadone or suboxone aren't a cure for opioid addiction, pharmaceuticals don't really cure any mental illness, just tools that allow you to get to the core of the problem. Using them alone or repeatedly is rarely effective long term, if one finds they help temporarily and then find themselves back in the same situation as before it probably means they either aren't putting the work in or aren't getting the proper support.
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Fractal420
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Re: Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance [Re: Holybullshit]
#27006521 - 10/27/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’d say it fades at the 1-2 week mark with a regular Psilo/LSD trip lol. Less with dmt
I think it’s how they always say that “therapeutics alone are never enough” for just adhd medicine.
In the end you are likely medicating in a similar way, and these experiences need to be grounded and put to use
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Re: Examining the Effects of Psychedelics on Experiential Avoidance [Re: Fractal420]
#27009499 - 10/29/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting.
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