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A Cube is a Cube
    #27000647 - 10/23/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So when we are hunting in our own areas for P Cubensis or "Gold Tops" how much variation are we likely to get in our own area in terms of varieties.

I see a lot over the cult forum about B+, PE, KSSS etc etc etc but when I'm in my back paddock am I finding any of this variation?

Will I only be finding say P.Cubensis (Australia) when I'm in Oz and Samui in Samui and Papuana in Papua or are we spreading spores across the planet especially due to the rise in home cultivation?

Then once I have found my goldie, is there any way for the layperson to go about identifying further into the sub categories?


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: qwerty48]
    #27000668 - 10/23/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure who I heard it from. But I remember one of the cultivators on this site saying something along the lines of;
“Strains are myth. A cube is a cube unless it’s penis envy”

I agree with this. Even more so that if you’re hunting out in the field. A cube is definitely just a cube and any variation are just different phenotypes.

But that’s just my :twocents:


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: Nickoloxious]
    #27000670 - 10/23/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Most of the cubensis varieties from my understanding have been isolated and developed outside of ‘nature’ many of the varieties would not exist in the ‘wild’ and possess recessive traits that have been perpetuated and selected through careful cultivation.


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27000679 - 10/24/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ergo, there’s no need to be concerned with strains when hunting in the wild.


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27000700 - 10/24/20 12:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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CHUCK.HNTR said:
Most of the cubensis varieties from my understanding have been isolated and developed outside of ‘nature’ many of the varieties would not exist in the ‘wild’ and possess recessive traits that have been perpetuated and selected through careful cultivation.




So when the guidebooks are identifying things in different countries and saying this is the Koh Samui p.cubensis all they are really saying is "we have found the same one we find in many countries. this one has changed slightly to adapt to match the conditions in this country"

Only leaves the possibility that through spore trading and home cultivation we are bringing ill adapted varieties into our nature. Chances are low but not unlikely of finding PE in cow dung out the back paddock.


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: qwerty48]
    #27001037 - 10/24/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Someone might come in and correct me here but from my understanding it’s all one species. It is widely distributed and therefore through natural selection in different regions the phenotypes have morphed to adapt to different conditions and through this process develop their own unique physical characteristics. This is aided by sexual reproduction.

For example every person on the planet is a Homo sapien but through sexual reproduction and natural selection someone born in Ghana has different physical characteristics than someone born in Norway. Yet we are all the same genus and species of apes.

PE is a variety steeped in mystery. Most believe it was developed through carful cultivation in lab work it would be very difficult for it to evolve that way in the ‘wild’. So no I don’t think you will ever find it outside of cultivation. Some PE I’ve seen have even reverted back to opening their caps and dropping spores.


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Re: A Cube is a Cube [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #27001079 - 10/24/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've Touched On This In Too Many Threads, I Agree With What Was Stated From The Others Above, They Hit The Nail On The Head


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