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Anonymous #12

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26990725 - 10/17/20 10:31 PM (1 month, 7 days ago)

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Sounds like these things occupy a very large and unavoidable part of your world and leave you feeling quite oppressed.

Personally, none of these things exist in my world, and the first I'd heard of them was from you.

Like so many things in life and how they affect us, it depends on focus.



Do you not watch whats happening in the West and are you not on social media?  I agree with op insofar as I watch whats happening in the West and I keep on eye on the Twittersphere. 

I hope Trump wins the 2020 presidential nomination.  This is a huge election and if he loses, I suspect the United States will become even wackier than it already is.  Even with him winning, the States may be doomed, but he seems to be a central figure standing in the way to a lot of this loony identitarianism that is being pushed.  People hate him so much that even if he wins, they may revolt.  Trump supporters are being shot dead by nut jobs.  The Left endorses hatred and violence under the guise of justice.



i hope he wins too so people get pissed and overthrow him :shrug:


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Anonymous #10

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #26991009 - 10/18/20 06:19 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

It has truly become an election of good vs evil. Not saying Trump is good because he does have his faults. But I know for certain a lot of people's perception of him is askew because of the lying press that has been busted for the past four years pushing known lies to the American people to try and discredit him. And I know a good percentage of people only get their news of him from these sources that only use buzz words that tickles the ears but have meaning that vary based on the speaker and hearer that are designed to lead a person to one conclusion while obscuring the real meaning the speaker is saying. So they are completely clueless as to what Trump said or did and they just parrot the DNC talking points without actually knowing what they are saying :rolleyes:. oh did I say :rolleyes:
Which is why I stopped listening to what the news say about him and instead listen to the FULL context and complete speech he made on the subject.

And yea nobody will be able to overthrow Trump when he wins re-election. That would cause a civil war and there are more of his supporters with guns and such than all those anti-gun people. Bringing a knife to a gun fight is a losing proposition. People are sick of the RIOTs and racist BLM, NBA got smacked down hard in ratings and won't be doing it next year. Even the hardcore Seattle is changing its tune now that they see what they supported coming to life in their city. The lightbulb is starting to turn on and they are getting a hardcore DUH moment.


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Anonymous #13

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #26991640 - 10/18/20 04:24 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I agree with the OP 100%. I live in Athens GA, the home of a bunch of lame 80’s bands. Those were the good old days before I got here. Now Athens is probably the woke capital of the southeast US. My neighborhood is filled with white millennial soccer moms that have BLM signs in their yards, and the names of local candidates that want to defund the police. Yeah, let’s get rid of the police in a town where parents send 30,000+ college kids to get an education and grow up. Let’s unleash that mob onto our town, what could go wrong? Our local government has Socialists, BLM activists, and progressives. My neighborhood has a FB page, I see my neighbors posting about distributing their BLM and political signs, and how proud of themselves they are. I usually don’t care about how someone votes or their beliefs, but it’s almost like we are trying to become the Portland of the South. I’m considering selling my house and moving before it all goes to shit here. It’s a toss up, do I want to deal with thousands of idealistic college kids, a woke local government with a woke education system or do I want to deal with hillbillies with meth labs in the hills of North Georgia or North Carolina? I’m leaning towards the hillbillies.


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Anonymous #1

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26991838 - 10/18/20 07:36 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Do you not watch whats happening in the West and are you not on social media?



No I do not. I don't care to fill my head with shit that does not affect my direct experience with life. Know why? Cause then I might end up like OP; with a head full of nonsense, feeling oppressed and depressed, feeling like the world as I know it is ending, and that all the shit is stacked against me.

If ever there were a lesson and a reason to avoid that shit; it is the OP in this thread. Fact is, as a white, intelligent, middle-class male, I have it as good as it gets in this life. There's pretty much nothing I can't do, should I set my mind to it.

Feeding off mass/social media is to instill a rot and a growing cancer in ones mind. Why on fucking earth would I want to do that when my life is amazing as it is?
 
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I hope Trump wins the 2020 presidential nomination.  This is a huge election and if he loses, I suspect the United States will become even wackier than it already is.  Even with him winning, the States may be doomed, but he seems to be a central figure standing in the way to a lot of this loony identitarianism that is being pushed.  People hate him so much that even if he wins, they may revolt.  Trump supporters are being shot dead by nut jobs.  The Left endorses hatred and violence under the guise of justice.



So you're a Qanon believer.

Jesus you lot are all fucking whack jobs. Anyone that divides people up between left and right is an outright fucking moron, IMO.



This is the problem. Instead of just disagreeing with them, you instantly jump to personal insults and attacks. You instantly label them as a "qanon believer" as a rather crude strawman since they didn't actually say anything about the conspiracy.

You and I disagree. You know what that makes you? My brother/sister. A human. Just a person I disagree with. I'm not going to call you a X or Y insult simply because we inhabit differing (perhaps even opposing) ideological dimensions.

The problem here is alienating people you disagree with. Making them the other. That is the literal definition of tribalism. I'm guilty of this too, I've done it in the past numerous times. But I just think we need to be better than this. Instead of seeking to make fake strawman arguments to "defeat" someone in discourse, we should actually try and understand differing opinions and FIND COMMON GROUND.

Between you and I, and based on your aversion to Qanon, we have common ground in that we both dislike radicalism or unreasonable, illogical rhetoric. We are more alike than we are different. There is no need to call people morons or imbeciles, this is supposed to be a community.


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Anonymous #1

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26991841 - 10/18/20 07:40 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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I’m immune because I’m simply not racist. Racism is a learned behavior or attitude. “Prejudice” is an inherent trait that we all have, not racism. Woke culture has its place but it also should be taken with a grain of salt in some cases. For instance, woke culture really pushes back against “controversial” comedians, but highlighting our differences is a path to understanding, and comedians of the past, and some in the present, like Richard Pryor and Dave Chappelle, do that really well. Laughter is medicine. So I mostly ignore woke culture and just examine my actions through the scope of a good vs. bad person, not by the scope of extremism.



Are you white? Then your racist. At least, that is what woke culture will tell you. White Fragility (which is now being taught in public school curriculum) teaches that all whites are racist via implicit bias - a paradigm that is not predicated on empirical evidence or the scientific method, its just a theory.

Your not really racist, nor am I. But the problem is Michelle Obama going on television telling you and I we need to stop being bigots because we disapprove of Black Lives Matter burning the country down and throwing incendiary explosive devices at federal agents.


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Anonymous #12

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26991854 - 10/18/20 07:48 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

there are good conspiracy theories that make you take a step back and evaluate the things around you, and then there's dogshit like the qanon theory. all it really does is breed outrage into its believers which inevitably turns some people into extremists. the fbi is even considering labeling them as domestic terrorists, they're that bad. i see them as the same as antifa. maybe they dont riot as much, but i can see them rioting in the future when the country destabilizes a little more. its just garbage is all it is.


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Anonymous #1

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #26991888 - 10/18/20 08:11 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Anonymous #12 said:
there are good conspiracy theories that make you take a step back and evaluate the things around you, and then there's dogshit like the qanon theory. all it really does is breed outrage into its believers which inevitably turns some people into extremists. the fbi is even considering labeling them as domestic terrorists, they're that bad. i see them as the same as antifa. maybe they dont riot as much, but i can see them rioting in the future when the country destabilizes a little more. its just garbage is all it is.



I love the Qanon conspiracy theory. I don't believe it, as I tend to only accommodate new knowledge that is empirically proven, and conspiracies by nature are improvable.

Conspiracy theories are fun, they let you think you possess secret, hidden knowledge that most people are unaware of. Its a fundamental tenet of free speech; the ability to hold any position or opinion regardless of how crazy others might see it. I disagree with a lot of conspiracy theorists, but I love hearing their passion, and learning the hows and whys.

There are tribes in Africa that believe young boys must consume semen to become men. So the aldermen get blowjobs from the children, and it has been practiced for centuries. There is also a South American tribe that believes in ritual torture; women must put their heads into clay ovens until their skin is charred black, children go into Temples to have their teeth ripped out and metal utensils jammed into their nerves - all as part of a ritual cleansing that associates physical torture with purifying evil.

Are those tribes crazy? Immoral? Criminal? Ask any anthropologist and they will tell you not to judge them. Its called ethnocentrism: judging a culture (or subculture) for their beliefs through the prism of ones own culture. If you were raised in a culture where everyone who reached the age of 8 went to the Temple to get their teeth ripped out, it would be totally normal to you. The idea of Westerners not undergoing ritual torture to protect themselves from demons would be insane, you'd see them as evil or impure.

Ethnocentrism happens on a smaller scale too. Democrats saying conservatives are backwards. Conservatives saying leftists are insane. The lesson here is that we should not apply our own belief systems, opinions, mores, and worldview onto others. That is also the core principle of individualism.

We are free to believe what we wish. You should question another persons beliefs with REAL arguments that seek understanding. But reverting to emotional reasoning and jumping straight into personal attacks is the most inept and mundane form of discourse - nobody learns anything and everyone gets upset.

We learn more about others and ourselves by questioning, being curious, and engaging in good-faith discussion with people who are different. You won't learn anything by condemning African tribes with dubious practices. But you will learn much about life if you were to be curious; why do they practice those strange coming-of-age rituals? How did it originate? How do they feel about conducting it?

Even I struggle to make good-faith arguments. My original posting of this thread offered no pros to the woke ideology, only my own interpretation of its detriments. Being impartial and unbiased is a constant struggle, but a fight worth fighting.

  • why do woke people think all white people are racist?

  • Do they have empirical evidence to back up that claim?

  • Why do they think censorship or restriction of free speech is good/needed?

  • Why do they support BLM despite violent riots, antisemitism, and anti-white racism?


Any self-identified "woke" people reading this... I'd appreciate some answers, to try and understand this stuff rather than just condemn it.


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Anonymous #14

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26998572 - 10/22/20 08:35 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

I hate those SJW c***s, your dad not being around has nothing to do with my skin color, but I am "privaliged," how is being normal privilege?

They are also WORSE than nazis when it comes to religion, they are atheist that hate culture and want everyone in communist grey.

They will also use any means to make you look bad, whether it's instigating, gang stalking, smearing your dead relatives, spying on you, defaming you to strangers. They will stab you in the back then when you turn around pretend to be your friend, all they care about is that they got theirs and if you didnt you're in the way.
Fuck those asswipes!
They are the gate keepers to working class change and they throw it all away cannabalizing the worker, the artist, the entertainer, the lover, theyre like demons.
I got no love for those uppity cunts.
When you have trouble finding a entry level job that pays well, a place to stay, people to talk to blame these people.


Edited by Anonymous (10/24/20 10:38 PM)


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Anonymous #12

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #26998959 - 10/23/20 01:43 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

did any of this ever happen to you or did you read this from some outrage article?


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Anonymous #15

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #4] * 2
    #26999094 - 10/23/20 05:29 AM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
Sounds like these things occupy a very large and unavoidable part of your world and leave you feeling quite oppressed.

Personally, none of these things exist in my world, and the first I'd heard of them was from you.

Like so many things in life and how they affect us, it depends on focus.



Do you not watch whats happening in the West and are you not on social media?  I agree with op insofar as I watch whats happening in the West and I keep on eye on the Twittersphere. 

I hope Trump wins the 2020 presidential nomination.  This is a huge election and if he loses, I suspect the United States will become even wackier than it already is.  Even with him winning, the States may be doomed, but he seems to be a central figure standing in the way to a lot of this loony identitarianism that is being pushed.  People hate him so much that even if he wins, they may revolt.  Trump supporters are being shot dead by nut jobs.  The Left endorses hatred and violence under the guise of justice.




15% of all people in the US are politically active, that encompasses both the right and the left, so Twitter is more like a megaphone for a small group of people.

If you don't use social media, you're not missing out on anything except vitriol and hate from random people

Also, you could just not get invested in all of this. Politics is theater. Trump is not some savior one guy versus everyone....the news media always cheerleads both sides, just depends what network is doing what. When a republican gets in it feels like a victory for people everywhere, because they're "outspoken" on the media, since most media has a left bias. However, what Republican politicians *will* do, is sell you down the river to bail out their Wall st. bros, Reps and Dems fundraise for each other, they have openly admitted to this, and justices throw millions of people off voter rolls every year unbeknowst to the voters themselves.

So, to borrow a line from George Carlin...I'll be doing essentially the same thing you're doing, except on election day, I'm going to have something to show for it.

Seriously it took me three and a half election cycles to realize its all bullshit. I feel like no one remembers anything beyond 4 years now. Cable television and the "news" in general is not news, it rots your brain. It is quite literally just a few news stories being repeated dozens of times by dozens of "reporters", playing telephone, on a television. Interesting....but...none of it surprises me anymore.

I mean, vote for whomever you want, but I don't get fooled. I just have one question--

Why would you vote for anyone? They're all complicit in screwing over the economy and they gave $5T to Wall Street so they could recoup their lost monies. Americans got $1200 and told to pound sand. Now we're going to vote for people before they do anything for us? They're all stonewalling, and you're going to give your *only* power over to someone...before they even do anything? Why?


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Anonymous #16

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #26999636 - 10/23/20 01:26 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Looking at the degenerates supporting Trump, it's easy to see how the nazis got where they did. Expecting them to learn from history is like trying to teach Latin to a chimp; they can't even grasp basic CURRENT FACTS and have zero critical thinking skills...they're basically the social equivalent of stupid livestock ripe for grifting. Republicans may be evil, but they've done a great job enslaving the minds of their base of subhumans.


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Anonymous #3

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #26999645 - 10/23/20 01:31 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Looking at the degenerates supporting Trump, it's easy to see how the nazis got where they did. Expecting them to learn from history is like trying to teach Latin to a chimp; they can't even grasp basic CURRENT FACTS and have zero critical thinking skills...they're basically the social equivalent of stupid livestock ripe for grifting. Republicans may be evil, but they've done a great job enslaving the minds of their base of subhumans.


The national socialists got where they did because everybody hated ANTIFA.


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Anonymous #17

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #26999815 - 10/23/20 03:10 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

“Subhumans “ huh? :thatsinteresting:


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Anonymous #5

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #26999820 - 10/23/20 03:14 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Anonymous #16 said:
Looking at the degenerates supporting Trump, it's easy to see how the nazis got where they did. Expecting them to learn from history is like trying to teach Latin to a chimp; they can't even grasp basic CURRENT FACTS and have zero critical thinking skills...they're basically the social equivalent of stupid livestock ripe for grifting. Republicans may be evil, but they've done a great job enslaving the minds of their base of subhumans.




Trump and Nazi supporters were both oppressed groups of people that were looking for hope to make serious change in their lives. You can't create support out of nothing, so there must be some sort of catalyst. Trump just took advantage of that frustration to gain power for himself. Trump never made the change that he promised. Hitler on the other hand did follow through on his rhetoric for his supporters.


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Anonymous #14

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #27000418 - 10/23/20 09:29 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

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Anonymous #12 said:
did any of this ever happen to you or did you read this from some outrage article?




The biggest rats, black ballers, extortionists I met were those loud mouth cunts.
Im jus talking bout gang stalker assholes, not the people on tv but in sure theyre jus as fake


Edited by Anonymous (10/24/20 10:41 PM)


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Anonymous #14

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27000453 - 10/23/20 09:47 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

Biden, the ex head of the DEA is going to be president, what does that tell you?
This woke shit is about removing the idea off the working class from the struggle and replacing it with micro aggressions, cultural appropriation and objectifying people.
How is any of that shit relevant ever? No unions but pills and redtape out the ass.


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Anonymous #14

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27000460 - 10/23/20 09:49 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

See what these woke people say about the patriot act? Gitmo and wiretaps for everyone, see how woke that sounds?
We lost every war in the last 40 years, these sjws dont give a shit


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Anonymous #18

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27005159 - 10/26/20 07:24 PM (29 days, 5 hours ago)

You are NOT crazy. That post was beautifully written and it expresses how I feel in my heart about the whole situation. It's all very sad, and being a "Privileged Young White Man" who is sometimes called a racist, bigot and all sorts of horrible things based upon my color and beliefs.

I've been spit on for simply telling someone I was a Christian (they asked) why??? Because of their ignorance... It's hard to hold back in situations like that but I walked away.

Someone swung at me in downtown Seattle once for saying I support Trump, nothing else was said or discussed. Just that statement alone sent this person into a absolute frenzy (like primal turning into a animal type shit) It was so bizarre to witness something like that and be hurled hurtful words for simply stating my view.

All of this shit needs to end, and all the people who started and are at the top pulling the strings of these people go to prison. All of this shit is tearing our country apart and Politics and Science are the God people serve today.

Time to get real "woke" I guess. You're on the right path and I love your mind.

best wishes to you OP


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Anonymous #2

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #27005297 - 10/26/20 09:09 PM (29 days, 3 hours ago)

Does that not make you feel like a victim though?

A member of this community said this once, and it really made me realize I would never be (and have never been) a victim:

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[iKool Kat said:
As I rejected the idea that I, a fully grown adult male of the most ferocious predatory species on this planet, could ever be a victim of anything or anybody, I haven't felt oppressed since I was a pubescent teenager. That was at least 60 years ago. Only a fool bitches and moans about something that they cannot change, and reality is one of those things. It may not be pretty, or what you want, but it's what you got and it's reality. End of story.




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Anonymous #5

Re: I'm sick of woke culture, sick of being called a racist, and sick of racial tribalism [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27005329 - 10/26/20 09:27 PM (29 days, 3 hours ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
Does that not make you feel like a victim though?

A member of this community said this once, and it really made me realize I would never be (and have never been) a victim:

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[iKool Kat said:
As I rejected the idea that I, a fully grown adult male of the most ferocious predatory species on this planet, could ever be a victim of anything or anybody, I haven't felt oppressed since I was a pubescent teenager. That was at least 60 years ago. Only a fool bitches and moans about something that they cannot change, and reality is one of those things. It may not be pretty, or what you want, but it's what you got and it's reality. End of story.







That's your ego at work here, of course you can be a victim in life. Does that mean you need to embrace victimization every time something unfortunate happens to you? No, but at the same time you shouldn't attempt to deny the obvious if it ever occurs in your life.

Your ego is trying to protect you from the fact that others have major impact on your life. Your ego needs to let go and just accept that reality. Just accept the fact that others can victimize you and there's nothing you can do about it.


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