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Potential facepalm question
    #26999598 - 10/23/20 11:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just getting started with all of this and I've found what seems to be a lot of helpful information in identifying different kinds of contaminations, but I am unclear on the potential health risks if dealt with improperly and all of the reasons that a method of dealing with would be proper or not. Sorry if this has been asked before, but I did try to look for it in the search bar.

Basically my questions are; what are the health risks of contamination to humans if exposed? How would contaminates be exposed to humans (i.e does it travel through the air, skin contact, etc)? Why are the proper ways to deal with potential contaminates proper? Thanks!

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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: whodidtheblues]
    #26999613 - 10/23/20 12:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:  lol jp jp

Really though the most common thing you’ll see on bulk subs is trichoderma or aspergillous or something like that. You just want to try to get them out of your grow area before they sporeulate. You don’t want a lot of spores of any kind in your house. Growing certain edibles or even lots of cubes and letting them drop spores without some kind of ventilation will mess you up. Spore lung or sommat.

As far as dangerous molds you want to watch out for black spotted mold. You can grow some dangerous bacteria as well, you’ll see all kinds of stuff on agar plates if you grow long enough.

If you had something you thought was toxic just toss the jar. Other than that it’s really not a big deal IME. Just don’t go sniffing moldy jars.


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26999648 - 10/23/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I live with 3 other people in my house and (as well as myself) I don't want to put them at risk. What I'm trying to get at is, how airborne are these contaminates? I get that you don't want to sniff mold like lines of coke, but where is the line drawn between that and the molecules wandering through the air in my room and house? Also what kind of ventilation are you referring to for the spores?

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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26999651 - 10/23/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the dangerous stuff is highly visible and detectable through olfactory sense. If it smells like fish it's probably salmonella. If it smells like butt or halitosis you're looking at e. coli or streptococcus.

Most "molds" infect humans by growing inside them and generating aflotoxin or other mycotoxins in the tissues like the brain or lungs. Aspergilus Niger is dangerous in that way but you need to inhale the spores and unless you're immune compromised you don't have too much to worry about in that regard but it's still not safe and is potentially deadly. Consuming mycotoxin is bad in general but is a very common thing for the human body and happens all the time. Just look up Aflotoxin content of peanut butter for an idea of how common it is.

Any pink or orange is really bad. Any slime is bad. Don't eat contaminated mushrooms.

Trichoderma and penicillium are grown on food regularly and generally don't affect humans. Trichoderma is present everwhere and is one of the most common molds on the planet. I'm sure you are inhaling it's spores right now. In Italy people grow trichoderma on dry cured sausages. In hydroponics stores you can spend way too much $ on trichoderma for plants.

Mushrooms growing from sub with trichoderma (even sporulating) are generally safe unless the mold is on the fruit bodies themselves.

Like Roger said, the black spotty mold is sketchy (Aspergilus Niger).

If you are seeing contaminate mold then it is present in the air already and you are already breathing it.


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Nichrome]
    #27000042 - 10/23/20 04:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I really appreciate the info! That's what I'm concerned about though, that the mold would already be in the air by the time I find it's there and what the potentially dangerous implications of that could be.

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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: whodidtheblues]
    #27000088 - 10/23/20 05:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If any mold grows on your stuff it "was" already in your environment to begin with.

Very few things that frequent the environment you provide are dangerous in those ways and most of them are very common worldwide in almost every environment. Aspergillus is probably the most common of any of the dangerous molds you might encounter.

Molds can be dangerous and even in rare cases fatal so it is best to be careful but for the most part you don't have much to worry about.

Here is some basic info on the health risks of Aspergillus mold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergillosis

If your room mates or yourself is severely immune compromised then extreme caution should be taken. Otherwise just trash anything that grows mold.


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: whodidtheblues]
    #27000091 - 10/23/20 05:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What he was saying there is that if a mold shows up on your agar, sub or whatever that it’s already something that has spores floating in your air and you’re just providing conditions it likes.

It really isn’t something to worry about beyond normal carefulness. Don’t let moldy tubs sit around, if a jar gets something you know is toxic or if it just looks super gross just toss the whole thing (what I do anyway), take contaminated tubs outside to dump them and then hose them down outside so no spores can float away from it.

Nicr beat me to it but I’ve already typed so much 😢


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #27000168 - 10/23/20 05:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm very grateful for the attention you're providing to my noobiness on the subject, what a healthy environment. Not sure why I'd expect less from the psychedelic community, but I'm grateful none the less.

So to kind of half summarize; any mold that would potentially grow in the substrate jars would have already floating in the air in tiny spores, I would have hypothetically provided the right conditions in the jar for it to inoculate/colonize and the surrounding air in that room/house would be no less dangerous than it was previous to the contamination as long as I keep the jar lids on with micropore tape? Also in another 'worse case' hypothetical scenario, if by some accident say an earthquake or something far out and the jars ceased to be closed, what kind of situation could one be dealing with?

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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: whodidtheblues]
    #27000546 - 10/23/20 09:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Lead Belly did, and Whitey Ford

Rick? If that happens just haul ass out of there and never look back. But if you don’t keep moldy jars around the timing of such a disaster would have to be spot on to find dangerous spores to release.


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #27001017 - 10/24/20 09:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, that makes sense. So the mold would have to be noticeable for it to be dangerous when exposed out of the jar, I gather. Thanks for the help stranger friend.

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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: whodidtheblues]
    #27001588 - 10/24/20 05:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever left a dish of leftovers in your fridge only to find it later covered in nasty mold? Bet you didn't die... Same deal here. You're only dealing with moldy grain aka bread mold.


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Re: Potential facepalm question [Re: Nichrome]
    #27001592 - 10/24/20 05:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

just dont puff em in the bong


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