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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: masspan]
    #26999401 - 10/23/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Trump is better at dodging shit then a gay man from the 80s whos still alive today


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: christopera]
    #26999413 - 10/23/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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christopera said:

Tariffs aren’t paid by corporations or business.


Actually, yes, they are.

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christopera said:

You fundamentally don’t understand the situation


Apparently you don’t.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer-idUSKCN1SR1UI

“They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States.“



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christopera said:

Tanking our exports was not the goal at all.


It was an expected consequence of the tariffs.

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Why would he want to slow exports lol?


He would want to cost more to import goods from China to force industry back to the US.  He warned them(the industrialists) that it was going to happen.

And why should it matter if China has to pay more?

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christopera said:

Citation was already included.


The US tax payer does pay taxes to farm subsidies.  That’s nothing new.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26999420 - 10/23/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

i agree that he is cagey and sly, to put it mildly

when people take tests and they don't answer the question correctly or at all, they usually fail that test, i don't see any exception to that rule here

honestly, i would love to know how many people are truly on the fence. i think most people made up their minds 4 years ago, one of the strangest things i have seen in my life

i will give Trump this, he has etched his name in the history books, he will be one famous mf for a loong time. he didn't drain any swamps though, just tossed a depth charge into it


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: lowbrow]
    #26999436 - 10/23/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Quote:

christopera said:

Tariffs aren’t paid by corporations or business.


Actually, yes, they are.

Quote:

christopera said:

You fundamentally don’t understand the situation


Apparently you don’t.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer-idUSKCN1SR1UI

“They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States.“



Quote:

christopera said:

Tanking our exports was not the goal at all.


It was an expected consequence of the tariffs.

Quote:

christopera said:

Why would he want to slow exports lol?


He would want to cost more to import goods from China to force industry back to the US.  He warned them(the industrialists) that it was going to happen.

And why should it matter if China has to pay more?

Quote:

christopera said:

Citation was already included.


The US tax payer does pay taxes to farm subsidies.  That’s nothing new.




Did you read your own link?

So Trump intended to tank exports and offload unprofitable farms on tax payers? Are you actually trying to defend Trump?


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: lowbrow] * 3
    #26999442 - 10/23/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
Quote:

christopera said:

Tariffs aren’t paid by corporations or business.


Actually, yes, they are.

Quote:

christopera said:

You fundamentally don’t understand the situation


Apparently you don’t.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer-idUSKCN1SR1UI

“They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States.“



Quote:

christopera said:

Tanking our exports was not the goal at all.


It was an expected consequence of the tariffs.

Quote:

christopera said:

Why would he want to slow exports lol?


He would want to cost more to import goods from China to force industry back to the US.  He warned them(the industrialists) that it was going to happen.

And why should it matter if China has to pay more?

Quote:

christopera said:

Citation was already included.


The US tax payer does pay taxes to farm subsidies.  That’s nothing new.



Whats new is losing the important crop markets we had worked for decades to hammer out deals on. Deals trump threw into a dumpster fire because he xenophobic base cheered everytime he said he was going "bring jobs back" by sparking a trade war. These people aren't stupid theyre just going to go to South America and elsewhere for thier soy or whathave you and once they find it cheaper somewhere else they won't ever look back. Which is why we had to pay out all that money in heavy farm subsidies to keep the bread bowl from being the dust bowl. Yet another thing we had worked for years and years that this guy fucked up in record time. The blue states have to pay out enough already for red state fuck ups. These people don't even pay into taxes most years and consistantly fuck up our money with backwards Republican policies that are essentially just racism.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: masspan]
    #26999456 - 10/23/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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i agree that he is cagey and sly, to put it mildly

when people take tests and they don't answer the question correctly or at all, they usually fail that test, i don't see any exception to that rule here

honestly, i would love to know how many people are truly on the fence. i think most people made up their minds 4 years ago, one of the strangest things i have seen in my life

i will give Trump this, he has etched his name in the history books, he will be one famous mf for a loong time. he didn't drain any swamps though, just tossed a depth charge into it



Trump and Biden would both fail the test. Saying "YOU ARENT FOCUSING ON WHAT THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE THAT NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS... GRRRRR" "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION FOCUS ON ORANGE MAN CUZ HES BAD"
Trump will do stuff like that sometimes but not to the severity of Sleep Joe


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: Saul Ptamets] * 4
    #26999466 - 10/23/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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First off, saying biden was coherant is bias. No one in the democratic party likes biden so saying u don't like him doesn't make u not bias.




Trump-voter logic, ladies and gentlemen.

Are all your thoughts formulated in a constant state of heroin or something? It's like you're intellectually bedridden.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26999475 - 10/23/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Trump is going to go down in history all right. On of my favorite moments is when Kim Jong Un called him a “dotard.” He did it in a written letter too, classic.

Trump is such a cuck he was praising Kim last night.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26999502 - 10/23/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

They have a great relationship its truly great all of a sudden a president having a great relationship with sworn enemy dictator is a problem? He's making America great.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26999514 - 10/23/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also the least racist, at least on par with Abraham Lincoln.

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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: Saul Ptamets]
    #26999524 - 10/23/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How can Republicans stand behind Donald Trump after saying in an interview years before running for president that he would under the Republican party because they are stupid. So people stand behind someone who openly calls his supporters stupid...

I guess buzz words was the wrong term sorry.
Also lowbrow he doesn't go into detail on almost anything that hes asked to explain.  You hear " china plague" "good, exquisite, great" "you all know where this came from" "china China China" " I'm the greatest since Lincoln" " plague"these repeated words he uses to stick in people's heads. That or he is so unprepared he just has nothing else to say?

Then there's things like this..


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: christopera]
    #26999527 - 10/23/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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christopera said:

Did you read your own link?


yup. Quoted the part that said you’re incorrect, too.

Quote:

christopera said:

So Trump intended to tank exports


No. He was tanking imports.  That forces industry back to America.  If chinese want to put tariffs on US soybeans, that’s all on the chinese.

Quote:

christopera said:

and offload unprofitable farms on tax payers?


Its called subsidies.  It’s been done for years, long before Trump.

Quote:

christopera said:


Are you actually trying to defend Trump?


Well, Id say that’s what you’re doing.  All I’m doing is correcting your innacuracies.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: lowbrow]
    #26999541 - 10/23/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Quote:

christopera said:

Did you read your own link?


yup. Quoted the part that said you’re incorrect, too.

Quote:

christopera said:

So Trump intended to tank exports


No. He was tanking imports.  That forces industry back to America.  If chinese want to put tariffs on US soybeans, that’s all on the chinese.

Quote:

christopera said:

and offload unprofitable farms on tax payers?


Its called subsidies.  It’s been done for years, long before Trump.

Quote:

christopera said:


Are you actually trying to defend Trump?


Well, Id say that’s what you’re doing.  All I’m doing is correcting your innacuracies.




You cherry picked the part of the article that supports your stance.

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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26999556 - 10/23/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Whats new is losing the important crop markets we had worked for decades to hammer out deals on.


what are you talking about?  Citations needed.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

Deals trump threw into a dumpster fire because he xenophobic base cheered everytime he said he was going "bring jobs back"


but he did bring jobs back.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

by sparking a trade war.


But he brought jobs back.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

These people aren't stupid theyre just going to go to South America and elsewhere for thier soy or whathave you and once they find it cheaper somewhere else they won't ever look back.


well you sure claim to know alot about the economics of soy.

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Which is why we had to pay out all that money in heavy farm subsidies to keep the bread bowl from being the dust bowl.


citations needed.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

Yet another thing we had worked for years and years that this guy fucked up in record time.





No. He made a great economy by bringing back industry.

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The blue states have to pay out enough already for red state fuck ups.


. Even though that’s a complete and utter falsehood, I wish it was true.

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These people don't even pay into taxes most years and consistantly fuck up our money with backwards Republican policies that are essentially just racism.


you must really hate farmers.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: christopera]
    #26999563 - 10/23/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No cherry picking here.  It said exactly what I said.  The importers are the ones that get to pay the tariffs(i.e. the corperations).

Your newfound support for the president is appreciated.


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    #26999576 - 10/23/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You must hate farmers mother fucker are you joking?

https://www.farmprogress.com/soybean/us-soybean-leaders-past-and-present-discuss-china-trade-history-future
"YEARS OF WORK

U.S. soybean producers have spent more than 40 years and millions of farmer dollars building the China market for soy and livestock products.

James Lee Adams, a soybean producer from Camilla, Georgia, was ASA president in 1989 when these market development efforts were in full swing. According to Adams, building the China market was a long, arduous process. “We had a lot of opposition. People thought we were throwing money away, but we kept investing despite the pressure to cut our losses. It took many years, but we prevailed, and today, China is a $14 billion market for U.S. beans. This trade war is of grave concern because it could wipe out all those years of work. Knowing the difficulties we faced, we know how hard it will be to get this market back.”

https://www.agriculture.com/markets/your-world-in-agriculture/chinas-switch-to-russias-soybeans-no-match-for-us-farmers


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: Saul Ptamets] * 3
    #26999581 - 10/23/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

to be fair, i don't love Biden, but when i compare what the 2 of them are claiming to represent, i find Trump severely lacking in a list of qualities too long to write

it's a starry eyed feeling, but as far as i am concerned, any world leader that is not ready to accept that the world is getting exponentially smaller and that working for a greater planetary good should be their main priority, has missed the point and disgraces the power of the office they have been given. it's not just Trump that i think has squandered this opportunity, he has good company around the globe

people say they want the world to 'get back to normal' or 'the way things were', some things definitely, others, not so much imo


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: lowbrow]
    #26999584 - 10/23/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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No cherry picking here.  It said exactly what I said.  The importers are the ones that get to pay the tariffs(i.e. the corperations).





:canthelpbutlaugh:

Quote:

U.S. President Donald Trump says China pays the tariffs he has imposed on $250 billion of Chinese exports to the United States.

But that is not how tariffs work. China’s government and companies in China do not pay tariffs directly. Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States.

Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices.

U.S. business executives and economists say U.S. consumers foot much of the bill through rising prices.

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow has acknowledged that “both sides will suffer on this,” contradicting the president.






For the adults who want to understand how the world works, here is the non cherry picked text. I didn't provide this source, so obviously it's not a cognitive bias on my part.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26999591 - 10/23/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
You must hate farmers mother fucker are you joking?

https://www.farmprogress.com/soybean/us-soybean-leaders-past-and-present-discuss-china-trade-history-future
"YEARS OF WORK

U.S. soybean producers have spent more than 40 years and millions of farmer dollars building the China market for soy and livestock products.

James Lee Adams, a soybean producer from Camilla, Georgia, was ASA president in 1989 when these market development efforts were in full swing. According to Adams, building the China market was a long, arduous process. “We had a lot of opposition. People thought we were throwing money away, but we kept investing despite the pressure to cut our losses. It took many years, but we prevailed, and today, China is a $14 billion market for U.S. beans. This trade war is of grave concern because it could wipe out all those years of work. Knowing the difficulties we faced, we know how hard it will be to get this market back.”

https://www.agriculture.com/markets/your-world-in-agriculture/chinas-switch-to-russias-soybeans-no-match-for-us-farmers




We have a large number of soyboys in the country, they don't care if the soybean industry is funded by the U.S. taxpayers because paying for an industry that Trump intentionally sabotaged is acceptable for socialists.


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Re: THOUGHTS ON FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! [Re: christopera]
    #26999595 - 10/23/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I already quoted that. 

Well, thanks for agreeing that you were mistaken. 

It’s appreciated.


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