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Hydroponic shrooms??
    #26998655 - 10/22/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey so just wondering what some more experienced thoughts may be about growing cubensis more or less out of water. Ive been playing around with different ways to get the best pin sets and I've discovered something I wasn't exactly expecting..

I've learned that moisture has to be the biggest impact on this. Period!

I've painted my tubs...lined my tubs...and so on...

But with my latest tubs I've decided to give them more of wat the seem to want...that 100% humidity up against the side...

Instead of smoothing out my substrate nice and even...I tapered it up from the side of the tub at a very generous angle and wat has happened is the substrate has reached out and colonized the gap (distance between edge of substrate and wall of tub).. this gap is also full of a varying level of h20 run off from my misting...

I have been attempting to maintain the initial water level in this gap that I noticed after I introduced fruiting conditions...

So far so good...and now there's a ton of shrooms growing up out of the water filled gap...???

Hopefully someone with more experience than myself can chime in and help me decide on my next design...

The micro-climate created by this (gap) seems to affect a total area of around 5 inches from the side before any noticible drop off..

I'm thinking of making rows 2" wide separated by 2" gap at bottom and letting the substrate subsequently colonize the water...

I know my terminology or the incorrect use of may bother some people...my bad

But anyway wat do u guys think?  I mean would I need to dunk at that point...seems like theoretically speaking that I could just keep replenishing the water supply until all the available nutrients had been used??


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26998670 - 10/22/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

http://http://Here's some pics


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26998802 - 10/22/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Like this?


Rye water...


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26999220 - 10/23/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That's cool but I'm basically talking about having ur substrate be layed out in rows with a gap in between and allow that area between the rows to puddle water naturally and then be colonized...I guess it would be like having an irrigated field...like rice fields or something.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999257 - 10/23/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think it might look kinda cool especially if you got 5+ rows and the mush really did all grow from the gaps but cubes don’t like to be in puddles of water and it’s much mo better to just have a flat substrate with good surface conditions as far as yields go. If you’re just trying to make something that looks cool though I’m down to see it.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26999295 - 10/23/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure you have boat-loads more experience than me but from what I'm over here witnessing is that these cubes love the actual water. In terms of yeilds well I guess idk for sure but I would have to be inclined to think that they would be good based on my experience.  I learned right away that the more moisture you can pack into every step of the process that the better ur yields are without question. So it would stand to reason ( at least to this noob) that nutrients and water are the two biggest factors of yeilds within this specific cube anyway..they are golden teachers .I'll have to elaborate on my thought process...so if I can spawn two colonized jars of coffee soaked wbs (slurryed  with 1 quart jar of sterilized water "30 min at 15#") to my coir/vermiculite/gypsm in a 1:1 ratio and then lay these rows out like I said then my hopes are I can get all available nutrients from the substrate without a need for dunk etc...

I'm wondering if I could just keep replenishing the h20 supply til it's completely done..

I feel like doing it the other way leaves lots of unused nutrients after their done...

Idk maybe it's a waste of time but I'm gonna try it tomorrow..

I'll keep a log of exact measurements as well as how much water they consume daily...

If anything else it will be fun to experiment 😁


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26999299 - 10/23/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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nice pinset.

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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: nmd_myco]
    #26999330 - 10/23/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms do love water but when you over hydrate a sub you will often get stunted fruits, and you may have some problems with bacteria if things are really wet. If you just let an over hydrated sub be then you’ll usually get better subsequent flushes once some of that Aqua has evaporated. The trick is getting as much water as you can into your substrate while remaining airy enough for the myc to thrive.

If I have a heavy first flush I’ll usually float the sub for a couple hours but not always and they still produce well.

Those are TX PE6 in shoe boxes done like this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662

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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999333 - 10/23/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I can't really think of a better way to hydrate the mycelium than coco coir. It holds so much moisture and you can bottom water it or mist it from the top. Mycelium doesn't grow roots so hydroponic growing like with plants doesn't really work. You could water the substrate from the bottom though and have different ways to effectively spread the water around the substrate.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999416 - 10/23/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm sure you have boat-loads more experience than me but from what I'm over here witnessing is that these cubes love the actual water. In terms of yeilds well I guess idk for sure but I would have to be inclined to think that they would be good based on my experience.  I learned right away that the more moisture you can pack into every step of the process that the better ur yields are without question. So it would stand to reason ( at least to this noob) that nutrients and water are the two biggest factors of yeilds within this specific cube anyway..they are golden teachers .I'll have to elaborate on my thought process...so if I can spawn two colonized jars of coffee soaked wbs (slurryed  with 1 quart jar of sterilized water "30 min at 15#") to my coir/vermiculite/gypsm in a 1:1 ratio and then lay these rows out like I said then my hopes are I can get all available nutrients from the substrate without a need for dunk etc...

I'm wondering if I could just keep replenishing the h20 supply til it's completely done..

I feel like doing it the other way leaves lots of unused nutrients after their done...

Idk maybe it's a waste of time but I'm gonna try it tomorrow..

I'll keep a log of exact measurements as well as how much water they consume daily...

If anything else it will be fun to experiment 😁




I think that your cubes are acting that way because something is amiss with your culture/tub and those are the the most advantageous spots for your cubes to grow in that scenario. Cubes grow very very well without standing water and can "tolerate" quite a bit of it but in no way is that going to boost anything other than potential infection.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26999426 - 10/23/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Bottom-watering coco is not "pure" hydro, but its 100% a very common method of hydroponic growing in plants.

generally, its called "flood and drain" and pH buffered coco is the best medium for it in cannabis. as in all hydroponics, a nutrient solution is used to hydrate the nutrient dead coco.

Now... Assuming (i am not sure of this point) when the nutrients from the grain are ehxhausted by the production of the mushrooms, could one flood/hydrate mushroom substrate with nutrients in solution to increase yields/flushes?  Somebody must have tried this.

I'm not talking about leaving standing water around your grow medium... thats a suicide move in plant hydroponics as well (why flood and drain has given way to top-drip in canna.). Just rehydrating coco at some point and replenishing nutrients for more mushie production.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: nmd_myco]
    #26999457 - 10/23/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Re hydrating with fertilizer has been done and "can" and sometimes works.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: nmd_myco]
    #26999495 - 10/23/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Bottom-watering coco is not "pure" hydro, but its 100% a very common method of hydroponic growing in plants.

generally, its called "flood and drain" and pH buffered coco is the best medium for it in cannabis. as in all hydroponics, a nutrient solution is used to hydrate the nutrient dead coco.

Now... Assuming (i am not sure of this point) when the nutrients from the grain are ehxhausted by the production of the mushrooms, could one flood/hydrate mushroom substrate with nutrients in solution to increase yields/flushes?  Somebody must have tried this.

I'm not talking about leaving standing water around your grow medium... thats a suicide move in plant hydroponics as well (why flood and drain has given way to top-drip in canna.). Just rehydrating coco at some point and replenishing nutrients for more mushie production.





Yea I see your point. The water seems to be being used or evaporating quick rapidly.  So I guess I'm just maintaining the initial level I noticed.  I have also wondered about adding something nutritious to the water as they appear to be using it at least to some degree.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Nichrome]
    #26999500 - 10/23/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re hydrating with fertilizer has been done and "can" and sometimes works.




Can u elaborate a lil


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26999511 - 10/23/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't really think of a better way to hydrate the mycelium than coco coir. It holds so much moisture and you can bottom water it or mist it from the top. Mycelium doesn't grow roots so hydroponic growing like with plants doesn't really work. You could water the substrate from the bottom though and have different ways to effectively spread the water around the substrate.




Oh ok, are you talking about where you drill a hole or whatever and insert some type of tube to hydrate?


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26999519 - 10/23/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushrooms do love water but when you over hydrate a sub you will often get stunted fruits, and you may have some problems with bacteria if things are really wet. If you just let an over hydrated sub be then you’ll usually get better subsequent flushes once some of that Aqua has evaporated. The trick is getting as much water as you can into your substrate while remaining airy enough for the myc to thrive.

If I have a heavy first flush I’ll usually float the sub for a couple hours but not always and they still produce well.

Those are TX PE6 in shoe boxes done like this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662

They love it




Yea I figured as much with the bacteria deal that's why I've been only misting the sides enough to keep the level where I found it.

It's almost completely colonized in some spots and the rest isn't far behind, I'm not sure if the gap will exist in a few days at this point anyways lol


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999522 - 10/23/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re hydrating with fertilizer has been done and "can" and sometimes works.




Can u elaborate a lil




Things work sometimes, and other things work well consistently.

You get way better results from putting clean healthy mycelium on grain and spawning the grain to bulk substrate at field capacity with humidity and fae.


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999523 - 10/23/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I really appreciate you guys input!


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Re: Hydroponic shrooms?? [Re: Chaugagold]
    #26999558 - 10/23/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Somebody did something similar but without flooding it. They made the surface with rows like a vegetable field or something. Plus a few other shapes.


But yeah wherever has the best conditions is where it’ll pin, so try to make the entire surface flat and consistent so it all pins. Assuming you have the conditions dialed in.

Pans might be interesting to try the flooding thing, they already love it really wet and will grow out of little puddles on the casing.


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