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PC non-american format_ Doubts
#26997596 - 10/22/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello! 
Tomorrow I will try to sterilize 5 jars of grain and one of CL in my pressure cooker, but all the teks that I found are for American-format pots, or with weights.

My pot has no weight system, only a wheel to open or close the pressure, and I can't find what pressure it generates.
I will add a photo of the type of pot I am referring to.
Has anyone experience with these models? How long should I leave it with pressure? (apx) (x5 250cc jars + 1 LC 250cc jar)
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997601 - 10/22/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This kind of PC
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997650 - 10/22/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need 15 psi.. you need to google that specific model pc and see what it’s highest capability pressure is.. That type of cooker works fine tho provide you can fit what you need in there
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: ashfiken]
#26997674 - 10/22/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like to me they sell models like that with 2 psi settings (lo&hi) whereas high would be 15 psi.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: ashfiken]
#26997677 - 10/22/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've got a similar one and after much searching found it went to 12psi, if I recall correctly.
Just vent it properly and then run for 2 hours.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: Pearl]
#26997697 - 10/22/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk, I just found that the weight its about 250g
The model its Favorit Magerapid, but its pretty old hahahaha
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: ashfiken]
#26997701 - 10/22/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the manufacturer's website, it's 60/100 kPa (8 or 14.5 psi.) For quart/liter jars, I'd use 2 hours at the higher setting.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997705 - 10/22/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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And its ok if I "over-PC" LC (honey-wather tek)?
Or better first grain and later LC?
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997708 - 10/22/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you  Its for x5 250cc jars, 2h aswell?
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997710 - 10/22/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Best is Agar > LC > Grain, but if you're sterilizing LC it should only take 30-45 minutes. I would imagine if you overcook LC, the sugars will start to caramelize and darken the LC.
If you use MS to any bulk medium (PFTek being somewhat resistant to contams), you are asking for problems. Clean it up on agar before you expand it.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997725 - 10/22/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My idea its:
LC syringe (about 5ml)->Grain (WBS)->Bulk/monotube (+pray)
LC syringe (about 1ml)-> LC jar
And maybe, if the bulk dont work, try 4ml LC to 4 PF TEK/ in monotube
(+spore print->agar) Honestly, the "agar stuff" its really interesting.
I know it is better to use agar to avoid contaminants, but right now I can't, as soon as I do these tests, I will try to get on with the agar, cleaning the LC (if needed). Also, I know that PF Tek its probably more easy for a beginner, but idk, bulk magic its calling me, I suposse hahahaha
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997731 - 10/22/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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And yes, probably PC the LC for 2h its not a good idea hahaha (honestly, what a dumb question, still pretty noob).
Ok, then first grain (apx 2h) Then, LC
Lets see if I dont blow up, pray for me
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997783 - 10/22/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
76Salvia said: LC syringe (about 1ml)-> LC jar
Are you talking about a spore syringe? if so, that's not "LC." LC = liquid culture, which is what you have when mycelium is growing in a liquid. Spores in water is just spore solution.
Shoot spores into an LC jar and you're going to have a bad time.
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No, no. About a syringe with LC inside. 1ml of LC (syringe) to 250cc LC jar.
LC, no spore
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997851 - 10/22/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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3 days ago, you were talking about innoculating WBS with MS SPORE syringe - where did you find LC in the last 3 days?
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997857 - 10/22/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My fault, I thought they were spores, but finally its gonna be LC.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997866 - 10/22/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If that's the case, you should be fine then...wasn't try to badger you over it, but most newer members don't understand the differences between them (I know I didn't when I started this hobby) and that can drastically effect the outcomes they have.
I would do 30 mins on the 100kPa / 14.5 psi setting.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997894 - 10/22/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, it's okay, it's okey, don't worry <3 Its for sure a good advise.
I'm still quite a noob in all of this, but I've been studying for a few days and learning everything I can about it.
I understand why agar is important, and why using spores directly is a lottery hahaha
I was happy to see that it would be LC and not spores, because that way I could skip (for now) the agar. As long as LC is clean, which I hope so.
Agar is very interesting, and I'll get on with it once I finish this test.
With 30 min, you mean, for the LC, no? Looks right.
Tomorrow I will try to PC the 250cc grain jars for about 2h, and later, inoculate them with LC (once they're cold, of course)
Lets see what happen...
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: 76Salvia]
#26997904 - 10/22/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Correct - 30 minutes for the liquid culture. You can probably get away with 90 minutes PC time for grains since they are in 250ml jars, but I have never tried those jars so take that with a grain of salt.
Make sure to vent your PC for 10 minutes before letting it build pressure for the grains - it *should* not be an issue with the LC since there are no 'dry' spots to worry about.
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Re: PC non-american format_ Doubts [Re: PBJ710]
#26997915 - 10/22/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okey, ty. But I still can't 100% understand why the vent is important with grains
You mean, let the PC drain steam for 10 min before putting pressure on it, no?
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