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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
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I've always thought I am seeing the future when I experience deja vu, its like you can almost grasp seeing ahead of time then the experience goes.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Ego Death]
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i dont think science can explain why deja vu happens. i think it can explains what happens in ones mind and the chemistry of the brain, but not what actually triggers it. i could be mistaken though.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Atomisk]
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i dont think science can explain why deja vu happens. i think it can explains what happens in ones mind and the chemistry of the brain, but not what actually triggers it. i could be mistaken though.

whoa, deja vu!


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: shroom_muncher]
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shroom_muncher said:
i don't think deja vu could be any sort of past-life memories. I've had them when watching a newish T.V. shows or doing something that couldn't have possibly happened before I was born.


Past lives could take place after the one you are living currenly...
At least thats what I think.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: bigbadwolf]
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that still wouldnt explain tv shows that will only air during this life time

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
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right, when were dealing with brain chemistry its tought to differentiate cause and effect.
for example, is depression caused by an imbalance of seratonin in the brain? or does depression cause imbalances of seratonin in the brain?

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
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I have deja vu constantly and I'm not going to begin to describe why's or how's but one thing I do know is that during deja vu I can accurately predict what will happen in that next moment prior to it happening. This has been consistant and in fact, I don't believe there's ever been a time where during deja vu what I knew would happen didn't.

One thing I always find funny, and keep in mind I'm not trying to disprove anyone or prove myself, is how people condemn others for relying on faith when it comes to mysticism when for the most part their knowledge is but faith taken from a person or textbook, much like many metaphysical ideas. I really don't see a difference other than one is commonly accepted. Like I said I'm not saying that what these people or textbooks are saying are wrong, but that if you did not yourself test and find the result, or somehow witness this, then it's nothing more than faith.

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Lux]
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where does predicting come into it? im not trying to bea dick at all, i serisouly want to know where your coming from...

what does deja vu have to do with predicting anything? i always thought it was a feeling, a strong feeling like nostalgia...a feeling of ive been here or done this before.

perhaps im misunderstanding you.
where does predicting come into it?


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: CleverName]
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Yes, and with that feeling I can recall the moment I am currently percieving and during this initial feeling I simply remember what's about to happen at the very next moment. It's a very strange thing actually, it's somewhat like I'm one step ahead of the moment although it's usually very brief (10 - 60 seconds).

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Lux]
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I had one deja vu like experience where I felt a rush start at the top of my head and spread throughout my whole body instantly I saw the next minute of my future and then proceeded to watch the events unfold exactly as I saw in the prediction!

Strangely enough what I saw was simply my freind telling me how he had puked all over his dash board and then 20 seconds later a 4x4 driving by us. We were in the middle of the countryside and hadn't even seen a car.

I felt like I knew I had seen the future this time when the 4x4 went by it was all confirmed. But hey I don't expect you to believe me, you are not me!

About the chance thing, like if I had been in that situation before personally I do not beleive is possible in this case.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
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I've always thought of it as other 'realities' (if that's even the right term) of the multi-verse bleeding through into the one we are currently experiencing...almost as if somewhere in one of these other existances 'you' are having some grand metaphysical breakthrough, and it sends like a shockwave or something out at that presise moment which sorta ripples through all of your other existances (if that makes any sense)



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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Muppet]
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Muppet said:
I've always thought of it as other 'realities' (if that's even the right term) of the multi-verse bleeding through into the one we are currently experiencing...almost as if somewhere in one of these other existances 'you' are having some grand metaphysical breakthrough, and it sends like a shockwave or something out at that presise moment which sorta ripples through all of your other existances (if that makes any sense)




That's a very interesting theory, Muppet. A fun one to consider.

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Muppet]
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Muppet said:
I've always thought of it as other 'realities' (if that's even the right term) of the multi-verse bleeding through into the one we are currently experiencing...almost as if somewhere in one of these other existances 'you' are having some grand metaphysical breakthrough, and it sends like a shockwave or something out at that presise moment which sorta ripples through all of your other existances (if that makes any sense)



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Thus Spake Muppet


do you have any supporting evidence or is this just some fantasy idea you had one day?

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
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this is Spirituality and Philosophy not Science and Technology - emperical evidence is not a prerequisite  :nonono:



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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Muppet]
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Muppet said:
this is Spirituality and Philosophy not Science and Technology - emperical evidence is not a prerequisite  :nonono:


Maybe not empirical evidence, but Philosophy at least deals with logic.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Muppet]
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philosophy is based on empirical evidence, hence empiricalism

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
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Nothing "dumb" about a concept as heavy laden as deja vu. The implications of this experience, piggy-backing on spud's comment on parapsychology, is really quite profound. I was trained in parapsychology by Bob Brier, who co-published with J.B. Rhine at Duke University. Brier's little book entitled  Precognition and the Philosophy of Science: An Essay in Backward Causation refers to thinkers like Swineburne, Mundle, Broad, Ducasse - not common names. Here is an example:

"The basis of Ducasse's theory is that no definition of 'past,' present,' and 'future,' applied categorically, can be given in purely physical terms. Thus, physical events, apart from the psychological events which are percepts of them, are not categorically past, present or future. Physical events are past, present or future only conditionally - relative to other physical events....Ducasse points out that there is no reason to assume that a cause cannot come after its effect....Ducasse suggests that such a realization will help one out with the apparent paradox in precognition experiences suggesting a cause later than its effect."  Pp. 72-73

Precognition - knowing before - an event takes place, is characteristic of deja vu. One suddenly feels as though one has been here before, and can predict with accuracy, say, a detailed description of what lies around the corner of a city which one has never been in before. The 'knowledge' is present  before  the five senses have informed one's mind. The knowledge is usually the effect of the cause, which is the sensory perception of physical reality.

Reminds me of a saying by Yogi Hari Das, who said 'The present is only the past repeating itself.' Bottom line in this kind of inquiry is that linearity of time is transcended. Very psychedelic thinking. There is no 'objective' physical reality independent of perceiving minds. That is 19th Century thinking. Or again, maybe it's a 'glitch' in 'The Matrix.'  :smile:


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
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The Philosophy of Science is based on empiricism. Certainly not all philosophy is based on empiricism, but on Experience. Like they say, Plato IS Philosophy and Philosophy IS Plato.' In this context, the Archetypes, the Pure Ideas that Plato first recorded of his teacher Socrates, is based on pure mental experience. 2500+ years later, C.G. Jung picked up on these concepts and modernized them. Jungian psychology is modern Platonism.

Moreover, it may well be that Socrates was put to death for taking and giving the psychedelic 'Kykeon' of the Elusinian Mysteries outside of the secretive rites themselves. If that is true, then the whole Platonic mind-set becomes obvious to any Experienced Entheogenic Enthusiast. Psychedelics turned me from a dyed-in-the-wool empiricist into a philosopher - a Platonic and Neoplatonic (and relatedly, a Yoga) philosopher. I changed from pre-med to philosophy as an undergraduate for-crying-out-loud. Can't precipitate, distill, reflux or in any way quantify an Archetype, but the Archetypes can certainly change and govern one's entire life (thank Goodness).


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Quote:
Certainly not all philosophy is based on empiricism, but on Experience


experience is the absorption of empirical data

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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
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pretty close on the realizing it when you say sides, but there are many mroe sides than 2.
experiencing the gestalts of reality (including our memories and our own interactive masquerades) is like moving through water with an extra dimension.
previous gestalts continue in our consciouness 'waters' like the light from the stars continues in space.
when entheogenized, the consiousness is 'thicker' (in that dimension - time?) or expanded.
while normally we may have one current gestalt and 2 others fading, entheogen permits more, sometimes in the teens.

Moreover we can attend to the moment and some recently past one as well: While deep in the far reaches of one slowly passing gestalt, an event happens and we ignore it.- then we attend to it's clear shadow (merely seconds after the occurrance). as we roll-up to the most current aspect of the moment we are astonished that we have already experienced it.

It is that rolling up which makes us so excited.
and we snap out of revery.
like having dimensional whiplash.

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