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Where does "deja vu" come from?
    #2699742 - 05/19/04 04:04 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't post in S&P too often, so I'm sorry if this is a dumb question or if its been answered before.

I've been thinking alot about the feeling of deja vu.  Does anyone have any theories or facts on where it comes from?  My last mushroom trip I was experiencing deja vu so severely that I completely lost touch with reality.  I was also wondering why this seems to happen alot while on mushrooms...probably because perceptions are altered due to the drug?

I'm just really curious as to the why and the how of deja vu.  Again, sorry if this seems like a dumb question. 

Anyway, any information or discussion on this is greatly appreciated.  :smile:


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2699743 - 05/19/04 04:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My creepy paranoid theory is that deja vu is when 'they' come to take you away for reprogramming and its an anomolous by-product of sophisticated alien memory engineering technology.  :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2699757 - 05/19/04 04:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

D?j? vu has been firmly associated with temporal-lobe epilepsy. Reportedly, d?j? vu can occur just prior to a temporal-lobe epileptic attack. People suffering an epileptic seizure of this kind can experience d?j? vu during the actual seizure activity or in the moments between convulsions.

Since d?j? vu occurs in individuals with and without a medical condition, there is much speculation as to how and why this phenomenon happens. Several psychoanalysts attribute d?j? vu to simple fantasy or wish fulfillment, while some psychiatrists ascribe it to a mismatching in the brain that causes the brain to mistake the present for the past. Many parapsychologists believe it is related to a past-life experience. Obviously, there is more investigation to be done.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
    #2699773 - 05/19/04 04:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm, very interesting. But I think I like the alien mind control one better.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: manna_man]
    #2699907 - 05/19/04 05:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

During my trip I kept thinking that I had stumbled unknowingly upon a space pocket of "continuance", and that I was trapped in a repetitive reality where nothing was new and that people were "programmed" to try and make me believe everything was normal when it wasn't. I thought I would never see my "real" husband again (who was sitting right in front of me at the time), and also that it was possible my consciousness was caught in some lone crevice of my brain that was psychotic and that psychologists and doctors from the "outside" where trying to tap into my brain to save me and release me...just much crazyness.

The deja vu was so strong that I couldn't fathom how it could be that way, and it launched all of that crazy thinking as to "how" it could be that way. Of course my tripping mind had a field day with the entire thing. I've never felt deja vu so strongly in my entire life.

So that's why I asked this question about it. I know that nobody really "knows" where it comes from and what causes it. Obviously if you're tripping when it happens it's probably something to do with the chemical in your brain. It's just so queer of an occurance that it's fascinating to think about.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2699927 - 05/19/04 05:35 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

deja vu is a glitch in the matrix

it happens when they change something


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2700676 - 05/19/04 12:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

it doesn't really have to do much with dopamine or whatever in your brain
dumbed down, its lag between the right and left lobes communicating


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2700776 - 05/19/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I had a theory of dej? vu (which btw means already seen) when i was a kid. I thought that when it occured, it occured to everyone at the same time because somebody was using a time travel machine. But I as I grew up i realized that if this was the case, we woul've realized a long time ago that it occured to every1 at the same time.

Anyways, notice how some periods of time you often have deja vus, and then other periods u realize u haven't had any for like half a year?


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2700904 - 05/19/04 01:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Past Life Memories.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2700982 - 05/19/04 01:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

... or dreams.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Evolving]
    #2701007 - 05/19/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have dreams about past lives too


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2701110 - 05/19/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

See, that's what I was realizing when I was tripping. I kept thinking, "I've dreamed this before...I must have...or something." But then it became too strange to be a memory of a dream, to where I was completely LIVING the deja vu.

It's just very weird, even to remember.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: MOTH]
    #2701250 - 05/19/04 02:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

what your describing is ALOT like mush experiences ive had
i start thinking that 'ive seen this in a dream' one minuite and the next minuite im vividly remembering a real dream i had and the next im hallucinating a new one, but continuously thinking either 'ive seen this before' or else i was actually seeing a dream again...
and yeah i too , on that trip, had a dangerously strong belief in a totally whacky theory like that, i became convinced my friend who was with me was a spirit, than i realized that we were in heaven and that 'everything had changed' i believed that history was 'winding down' and all perception would continuously merge and narrow until only a single point of euphoric light would remain.
I was so out of it i walked out of my friends house barefoot into the street, fully expecting to fly into the air ...

i also ripped up my friends room pretty bad, but he was a really good sport about it.

sorry for drifting off topic but your trip sounds alot like mine.
my only theory is that something in the nature of the mushroom trip reminds your brain of dreams, it is probably activating the same parts of the brain, those involved in hallucinatory image and sound creation, and maybe this is what triggers memories of the dream state.

I have no fucking clue, obviously


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2701279 - 05/19/04 02:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

i start thinking that 'ive seen this in a dream' one minuite and the next minuite im vividly remembering a real dream i had and the next im hallucinating a new one, but continuously thinking either 'ive seen this before' or else i was actually seeing a dream again...




Exactly.  I only got scared when I tried to rationalize how it was possible while tripping.  And you know how whaky the tripping-rationalizations can turn out.  Next time I'm not even going to bother worrying about it.  :tongue:

This entire thing has made me even more intrigued about how psychedelics work in the brain.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2701517 - 05/19/04 03:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Past Life Memories.



Occam's razor
science has found a simple way to explain how it works, yet you still turn to a belief that relies on faith to explain a phenomena.
that is a fallacy
explain to me how you would have inherent memories from past lives?


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
    #2701975 - 05/19/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, past life memories seems based on a belief that relies on faith.
You're saying that since deja vus are based on the situation that you are experiencing that reminds of something you've lived before, therefore you've experienced this situation in another life in the past.
But logically present time is entirely made of new situations and structures, so previous lives could not have experienced what you are experiencing when having a deja vu.

I'm pretty sure there's some neurological explanation to this phenomenon.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: exclusive58]
    #2702001 - 05/19/04 05:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure there's some neurological explanation to this phenomenon.




there is, learned it in psychology class
i kinda mentioned it earlier


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
    #2702072 - 05/19/04 05:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i don't think deja vu could be any sort of past-life memories. I've had them when watching a newish T.V. shows or doing something that couldn't have possibly happened before I was born.


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: spud]
    #2702110 - 05/19/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

ok, I see how Occam's razor explains why dej? vus should be explained by neurological science rather than religious/spiritual beliefs, but I don't see how it actually explains the dej? vu phenomenon.  :shrug:


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Re: Where does "deja vu" come from? [Re: exclusive58]
    #2702158 - 05/19/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

ill try to explain it
you register it first with one part of your brain, realize it happened
then there is lag between the other side of brain realizing it, when it reaches hat side, you get the same initial impression of recognition
i probably slaughtered the theory but thats how it works


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