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Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison.
    #26997247 - 10/22/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So when I heard this guy got life in prison for selling drugs online I was pretty outraged, then I read a bit deeper. The guy imported fentanyl and alprazolam from China and made fake oxy's and Xanax. Of course shitloads of people died, more than 90 are known, but this guy just kept on flinging them. He knew what he was doing, he knew people were dying, he just didn't give a fuck.

The prosecutor said the life sentence is supposed to be a deterrent for other would be dealers. Obviously it's never going to be. Even if the death sentence was in place people would still do it. It's like this dude actually believes they can win the "war on drugs" by handing out vicious sentences. Not that I care too much for this guy anyway, he's got so much blood on his hands.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/shamo-sentenced-life-prison-after-conviction-organizing-directing-drug-trafficking


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26997254 - 10/22/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is what evil looks like, and for once its not the government.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26997269 - 10/22/20 03:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How exactly would ending the war on drugs help cases like this anyway? As long as there are dumb people who would rather pay less than buy more expensive but verified and tested drugs, you could still sell a bunch of fake and deadly stuff like this. Just like how even in states where weed is legal, people who sell illegally can still make good money by just selling at a lower price than dispensaries. Some things you can't fix, but only make a bit better over time. My opinion anyway.

But yeah, fuck this guy. The only way I can see people like this actually start to care about the damage they do is if they inadvertently end up killing a friend or family member.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26997274 - 10/22/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry but people who people who poorly make drugs resulting in the dead piling up should be taken out of circulation.

If you make bogus pills and people die by the dozens and you keep putting em out you are no less a serial killer than the ones who do it in person.

If someone sells heroin, people OD. But, buy the ticket, take the ride. Its heroin, a user should be able to handle it.

But if you sell fake pills and they are so poorly dosed that some contain a tenfold OD of your substance, you are doing something entirely different, because a pill, especially a pharmaceutical one, is supposed to be a dependable single dosage unit.

Selling heroin is ethically questionable, but this is straight up multiple murder through incompetence





For anyone dealing with fentanyls: They should only be handled in a liquid state, like liquid acid.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Asante]
    #26997286 - 10/22/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I hope this guy quickly gets raped to death in prison. Fentanyl poisoning has recently become a very personal subject in my family. Shit needs to stop quick like.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Northerner]
    #26997287 - 10/22/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

He killed people, and he knew what he was doing. He's a murderer plain and simple.

Even if drugs were legal, this guy would still deserve life for all the people he killed. Imagine someone making and selling alcohol, but every third bottle is pure methanol, and they know and don't care, that's murder. Or imagine a pharmaceutical company making pills, but every third pill or so is lethal, but they're selling them anyway, that's also murder.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26997310 - 10/22/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm sorry but people who people who poorly make drugs resulting in the dead piling up should be taken out of circulation.






Lethal injection of fentanyl?


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: nooneman]
    #26997609 - 10/22/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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He killed people, and he knew what he was doing. He's a murderer plain and simple.

Even if drugs were legal, this guy would still deserve life for all the people he killed. Imagine someone making and selling alcohol, but every third bottle is pure methanol, and they know and don't care, that's murder. Or imagine a pharmaceutical company making pills, but every third pill or so is lethal, but they're selling them anyway, that's also murder.



I mean not for nothing but one third of his customers didn't get sick and die they said 90 known out of 500,000. These were overdoses by addicts underunknown circumstances its not like he was selling legitimate poison. Your literal analogy would be if a liquor store sold you booze and u turned around and drank so much u died of an overdose and then blame the store owner or budwieser. If it was legal he wouldn't have to use phoney fentanyl pills mixed in unregulated clandestine pill mills in 3rd world countries and it wouldn't be dealt by criminals. These people for whatever reason actively sought out these pills and because of a war on drugs had to acquire them from criminals on an unscrupulous black market. All he did was sell pills.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26997636 - 10/22/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Marketing them and even disguising them as Xanax and oxy kind of takes away from any liquor store analogy.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Northerner]
    #26997691 - 10/22/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So when I heard this guy got life in prison for selling drugs online I was pretty outraged, then I read a bit deeper. The guy imported fentanyl and alprazolam from China and made fake oxy's and Xanax. Of course shitloads of people died, more than 90 are known, but this guy just kept on flinging them. He knew what he was doing, he knew people were dying, he just didn't give a fuck.

The prosecutor said the life sentence is supposed to be a deterrent for other would be dealers. Obviously it's never going to be. Even if the death sentence was in place people would still do it. It's like this dude actually believes they can win the "war on drugs" by handing out vicious sentences. Not that I care too much for this guy anyway, he's got so much blood on his hands.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/shamo-sentenced-life-prison-after-conviction-organizing-directing-drug-trafficking




Damn... 90 known people. They should treat this on a serial killer level and call for a death sentence.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #26997784 - 10/22/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’ve wondered if anyone has gone the serial killer route using fentanyl.  It’s not that much of a stretch..


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26997964 - 10/22/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Marketing them and even disguising them as Xanax and oxy kind of takes away from any liquor store analogy.




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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Eminence]
    #26997989 - 10/22/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't want him to suffer.
I OD and died on fet for a few minutes I would consider it a humane way to take someone out


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26997993 - 10/22/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Always some shithead from Utah ruining things for everyone else and killing people...they should probably just avoid drugs altogether and be happy living in a weird prude-y cult-state.

Sorry to anyone here from Utah, it's just this isn't the first or even 3rd case within the last few years of a Utahan(?)  selling bad stuff on a massive scale: previously it was "spice" and a few years ago some big THC-vape issue killing a bunch of kids. It's like a state full of idiot college-kid dealers who don't care about the purity of their supply.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: THT] * 3
    #26998013 - 10/22/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If every single rec drug user held their dealer accountable for the purity of the drugs they buy with testing kits on hand right then and there before purchase it would cut down on the shit some people sell. That won't happen it seems. If all rec drug use were to be legalized and places like walgreens sold EVERYTHING OTC and it was produced in pharmaceutical labs with all the other drugs and held to a high standard of purity it would be immensely better. They could also put monthly limits on amounts etc...(I know people would still OD etc and get as much as they wanted, but it would be the best possible chem) This won't happen either it seems.:shrug:


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: THT]
    #26998085 - 10/22/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I used to watch Live PD and when Utah came up you know it was always going to be some abnormally large drug bust.  There must be a boatload of shit coming through there..


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26998135 - 10/22/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's those damn mormons!


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26998186 - 10/22/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is what evil looks like, and for once its not the government.




Actually, it is the government. The root cause ov these deaths is prohibition. There's always going to be scumbags like this who trade morality for the dollar. Equate unscrupulous dealers to bacteria. Jailing them is like killing them off one by one just to watch them quickly replicate. Removing the substrate that allows them to fester in the first place, the ramified evils ov prohibition, is a much better solution to the problem.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26998222 - 10/22/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If all rec drug use were to be legalized and places like walgreens sold EVERYTHING OTC and it was produced in pharmaceutical labs with all the other drugs and held to a high standard of purity it would be immensely better. They could also put monthly limits on amounts etc...(I know people would still OD etc and get as much as they wanted, but it would be the best possible chem) This won't happen either it seems.:shrug:



I was just reading about a whole bunch of busts that went down in my old neighborhood in England as part of some targeted operation by the police there (who were all patting themselves on the back for it of course) and I was thinking exactly this.

They're always whinging about how big a criminals drug dealers are, but fact is, they're criminals which have been created by a dumb fuck system which prohibits us from being able to ingest things we want to ingest. If were allowed to ingest these things in the same manner as all the other crap we're allowed to ingest, the criminal population of the western world would shrink by 4/5's overnight.

But no, think of the children!! Gotta have an enemy to blame so we don't have to look at how our culture is fucking them up and deal with that!!

TBH, I'm not sure if it will ever be in the reach of our capacity as a species this numerous, dumb and disorganized to really address the cause rather than the symptoms.

I suspect greed will always get in the way of it.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26998350 - 10/22/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

All of this 'think of the children culture' is why we have a pedophilia problem in this country  :tryingnottodie:


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: twighead]
    #26998497 - 10/22/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

People should dose their Fentanyls in liquid form to ensure reliable potency.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: twighead]
    #26998505 - 10/22/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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All of this 'think of the children culture' is why we have a pedophilia problem in this country  :tryingnottodie:



I don't follow the logic on that one man?


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26998532 - 10/22/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Legalising opioid use is potentially a nightmare. Opium ravaged the Chinese to the point it was made illegal and trade with other countries halted for a while, until it was sorted out. Purified and synthesised opioids are extremely addictive and many would fall into the trap before they realised they were even in danger. Slowly cooking a frog.

Countries like Portugal that decriminalise and support drug users see the best overall outcomes in society.

There's no part of me that blames users for dealers selling fentanyl labelled as oxy either. Maybe they are naive to think they can get Rx's for cheap, but that doesn't mean they aren't being mislead to their own detriment.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26998584 - 10/22/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think it was a pretty bad joke.


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Re: Dark web pill flinger gets life in prison. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26998929 - 10/23/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's a bad joke :lol: ... but it is kind of ironic when you think about it - there is definitely some crossover in what words left whose mouth and who seems to have pedophilic tendencies in the political arena.


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