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Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? * 5
    #26997224 - 10/22/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I know there are a few older users here on the Shroomery, and I'd love to hear from you all on this subject matter. Of course, I encourage anyone to reply if you have your own useful 2 cents, but I feel like insight from more older users will be particularly useful here.

My first trip happened when I was 19. I took about 1.7 dried grams of cubensis with a close friend, and it was a fantastic experience. We giggled all day, I enjoyed visual distortions and the altered perspective on reality. Most of my trips when I was around that age came from a place of curiosity and excitement. Psychedelics were a very social experience for me, and it was mostly a recreational experience. I wasn't really aware of the possibility of using these drugs for anything outside of spicing up a fun weekend with friends. I think this was mostly due to being influenced by the people I was hanging out with. Most of the people I hung out with during this arc of my life had pretty serious drug problems (as did I). One of them even told me that tripping alone was a bad idea, and that it would probably give me a bad trip.

As I said, I had a drug problem... Though I was experimenting with psychedelics, I was also really into speed and research chemicals. This situation escalated, and reached a peak one winter evening when I combined some speed with too many caffeinated drinks. My heart stopped and I lost consciousness as I vomited in a bathroom. Thankfully, I had a friend who came in and checked on me (the same friend who I tripped with for the first time). He saw the condition I was in, did CPR, called 911, and saved my life. This experience made me seriously reconsider my relationship with drugs of all kinds, and I stayed completely sober for a couple years. I also stopped spending time with the drug addicts I was hanging out with.

When I was 21, I developed a romantic partnership with a woman who lived down the street from me. As I got to know her better, I discovered that she was pretty into psychedelics, and she seemed to have a different kind of relationship with them. They weren't a social activity for her: they were a tool. I was shocked to hear that she preferred to trip alone (the idea of tripping alone scared me due to my previous influences), and she was sincere when she told me how much these substances had benefited her. Since I was still really scared about tripping alone, she re-introduced me to psychedelics in a more calm setting. She was my trip-sitter for a couple of mushroom trips and for one extremely challenging LSD trip, and I started to realize that there was much more to these substances than I had originally thought.

Fast-forward a few more years, and I'm now 27 years old. Over time, I developed the courage to trip on my own and, these days, I prefer it. I find that solo-tripping is a much more personal experience, and there is great insight to be found in the psychedelic experience when reflecting on my experiences with a sober mind (integration). I still enjoy tripping with other people, but tripping with others tends to de-emphasize the personal insight in favor of the group dynamic. I trip with other people when I have friends who want to trip, but who don't want to do it alone, or if I'm looking for a social bonding experience with people I love and trust.

I started reading some psychedelic literature. I read LSD: My Problem Child by Albert Hofmann, The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley, True Hallucinations by Terence McKenna, and other fantastic books. When I read How To Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan, I realized that psychedelics could be useful even towards the end of one's life. That book is a personal story of Michael Pollan's new-found relationship with psychedelics as he approached sixty years of age, and reading it is what really got me thinking about my relationship with psychedelics in the long-term. I've realized that a goal of mine is to maintain a sustainable and healthy relationship with psychedelics throughout my life. I never want to reach a point in my life where I no longer consider them a possibility.

In the present moment, I feel very excited about psychedelics. Lately, I've found myself tripping more often (especially since I learned how to cultivate mushrooms). It's been great, and I've been integrating my experiences well via journaling and sharing my experiences with people who care about me. However, there is a lingering worry that I might go too far with it. I don't want to get to a point where I'm taking too much, or tripping too frequently. My current rhythm is about once or twice a month. Like I said, I'm really happy with where I'm at with psychedelics, but I want that relationship to be sustainable in the long term. I realize that the healthy relationship I currently have with psychedelics is not something I ought to take for granted, and that it can become an unhealthy relationship if I'm not careful or respectful.

So, my question for more experienced psychonauts is: what have you done to maintain a healthy relationship with psychedelics in the long term? Do you have any advice for someone like me, who is just now discovering how beautiful these substances really are? What does it mean to you to have a healthy relationship with psychedelics?


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26997230 - 10/22/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Most people quit around 30 or so, or when they get a family or other major responsibilities like that. It's often simply about time, they have too little time and too much to do, so psychedelics naturally end up disappearing from their lives over time. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. You'll always remember and value the experiences you've had, no matter what happens.

I know others will have different perspectives, but I personally think one key thing is to give up all other drugs, along with alcohol, nicotine, etc. After that, cutting back your use to a couple of times a year. RR used to say that taking a high dose once a year was the best way. I use a bit more than that, but I like the general sentiment, and I could see myself eventually reaching that point.

No matter what happens or what you decide in the future, you'll never lose what you've experienced with psychedelics. Those experiences will always be with you, enhancing your life. That's something I didn't really understand until I was older. Don't be afraid of change.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: nooneman]
    #26997235 - 10/22/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Most people quit around 30 or so, or when they get a family or other major responsibilities like that. It's often simply about time, they have too little time and too much to do, so psychedelics naturally end up disappearing from their lives over time. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. You'll always remember and value the experiences you've had, no matter what happens.




That makes a lot of sense. Right now, I'm single and I don't have kids. The only responsibility I really have is my job, and that still gives me plenty of time to trip. Going back to Michael Pollan, he used psychedelics in his college days, but returned back to it when he was getting close to sixty years old, well after his son became an adult and after a very successful career as a journalist and author. I'm sure he got to a point where he started to have more time for psychedelic experiences.

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I know others will have different perspectives, but I personally think one key thing is to give up all other drugs, along with alcohol, nicotine, etc. After that, cutting back your use to a couple of times a year. RR used to say that taking a high dose once a year was the best way. I use a bit more than that, but I like the general sentiment, and I could see myself eventually reaching that point.




Fortunately, I'm already a step ahead on that front. I've never been a nicotine user (I've tried it, but never got the appeal), and I haven't had alcohol in about three years. I don't smoke weed anymore, either, which was mostly a financial decision at first, but now I've found that my tolerance is so low that it's extremely uncomfortable to use it, so I've just let it go. Mushrooms are the only drug I consume consistently (I will rarely go for an LSD trip - only had four of those in my life). I prefer to spend most of my waking life here on earth as a sober man :smile:

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No matter what happens or what you decide in the future, you'll never lose what you've experienced with psychedelics. Those experiences will always be with you, enhancing your life. That's something I didn't really understand until I was older. Don't be afraid of change.



That's great insight. Unlike alcohol, psychedelics aren't about forgetting or blurring the past. Most of my trips have been extremely memorable experiences, and I learn new things about them every time I put time into re-visiting them in my memory.

Thanks for your thoughtful comment!


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 3
    #26997255 - 10/22/20 02:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've been using psychedelics on and off for maybe 25 years. For me it comes and goes. Some years I'll trip very often, other years irregularly, other years not at all. Sometimes I'll forget about psychedelics for years, then suddenly I'll want it again and I'll find myself in another psychedelic romance.

I've always approached it in a very ad hoc way. If it feels good I do it, if it feels uninteresting or bad I don't do it. Pretty simple really. Not to say that I haven't overdone it before and given myself a fright, but I haven't abused it to the point that it's become detrimental to me.

Though I've got kids and a career and stuff now I still make time for tripping from time to time. I reckon life is a bit more interesting with psychedelic insight. Drinkers and general public can be so trivial and boring. It's good to keep things interesting.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26997350 - 10/22/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome post. Was actually a really good read and you really painted the picture on how you're coming at this question. So, I'm 27 as well, but I do have a ton of experiences under my belt. I know people in their 50s and 60s may be able to address your long time interest in the substances - but my two cents is that everyone is different!!!

I went through this phase where I was tripping every weekend on a pretty high to moderate dose - 4g cubensis. Things were going well, I was learning more about myself than I ever have.. questioning all the right things like the placement of my friends that I keep in life. Who I needed to get rid of, who I needed to keep around. Reevaluating my interactions with other people I care about. It was an academy of life I was attending every weekend!

Now, on one of these I had a TROUBLED trip . It ripped me apart. Inside and out. It devastated me. I thought so little of myself. I thought of all the bad and terrible things I have said to people over the years. It brought me to my knees. I couldn't take it. It was a movie playing over and over showing me what a terrible person I honestly have been - but bury it so deep down (not that I'm an actual bad person, but it took every event that I ever hurt someone and blasted me with it).

After that trip - I didn't trip for MONTHS . It gave me such a reality check. I couldn't believe it. It almost gave me PTSD with mushrooms. I just recently had my latest trip on 1.5 cubensis and I had to literally talk myself into it all day (like most trips regardless).. but this one was different. I knew I got put through the ringer. But I took that dose and all was well. Actually made me feel so amazing and full of love, energy, bliss. It was magical.

That was about 2.5 months ago. I'm going to take another dose here shortly.. in the realm of 3.5/4g once again and see what happens. Mo intent. No judgement. Just going to see what it brings to the table.

I guess the moral of the story is - sometimes you only need one big trip to make you understand the whole thing. I wpuld love to keep a healthy relationship long term with these substances .. but I do believe there is that possibility of not needing to at some point. Different strokes for different folks. We are still young, so time will tell. But there's definitely the phases of tripping often and tripping every once in a blue moon.

Tread lightly. These little buggers are just waiting for a rude awakening. Im so happy I had that trip though. It built me more and gave me more than I ever have gotten from a full blown laughing blast (though those trips are also very very therapeutic). Nothing like an authentic laugh. So good for the soul.

Good look on your journey buddy.. sounds just like me when I began this.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26997489 - 10/22/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Vibe! Hope all is well, good to see you around these parts more often again and glad you're back on the psychedelic train!


Regarding your question Nonagon, I feel Vibe and Northerner have painted a wonderful picture of the sort of general timeline of a psychedelic relationship.

I'm a bit older than you and Vibe (only by a few years) but I know that I'm far less experienced (I was late to the game :hehehe: and didn't start diving in until a little over 2 years ago, although I had my first experience about 4 years ago). But I can see, on a small scale, exactly what Northerner is saying. There are times where I trip more often, or harder. Then there are times where I trip little, with milder doses, or not at all.

None of that changes my love for psychedelics. Life has an unpredictable flow to it at times. And even if we want to trip today, life takes us away for years where we don't have the opportunity to trip or sometimes even think about it.  Obviously I experience that only on a small scale, maybe forgetting about it for a month or a few at a time and then going right back into it. But I can see how, with much in life, the gaps in interaction with said thing ebb and flow as life pulls and pushes you in different directions.

I think for me, one of the important reasons I foresee it in my life indefinitely, is that I love growing as much as I love to trip (maybe I like growing them even more). Just watching it grow is still miraculous to me and gives me its own sort of "high". I know I'll have different gaps between trips, some longer and some shorter, but as long as I love to grow, they'll be in my life.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26997528 - 10/22/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Such tremendous luck to discover a mate on your block who has made psychedelic opportunities blossom for you.

I would consult further with her in everything if I were you and the gate were still open to her.

otherwise, the term "drug problem" is a matter of perspective. From  what perspective would you use that term, and if not then perhaps it is not a relevant term in your life, even if others consider you have a drug problem and keep their distance.

as for a relationship with drugs, set your boundaries and stick to them, this holds for all relationships, respect boundaries and be a good host.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26997543 - 10/22/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics for me are always a tool, and I almost always trip alone...if I haven't tripped in a while, I don't tend to like group trips unless its a low dose.

I think I am okay with not doing them. I mean, I am going to put absolute minimal effort in my daily life without them, since they were the only thing to help me if I used them occasionally (~2-4 times/year maybe), but yeah...not sure if they're necessarily for me.

That's good you found a way to trip often, but if it's going to be every other week or so I would try to incorporate lion's mane and then you shouldn't have to trip as often, or you should be able to regenerate neuron growth more strongly. Not sure though--although psilocybin facilitates neurogenesis and lion's mane kind of maintains it, from what I understand via studies. Everyone trips differently...I don't think there are two people that even trip the same if they both did it solo and you compared the two.

It's why I live alone and I don't even trip anymore because...well, I don't really go outside. Too scary for me with my ptsd, in terms of others lol. Doesn't even have to do with the current state of the world, I just don't like people. I'll stick to going out for like, 5 mins every two days. xD

Was totally a different person when I tripped. Was definitely more social and I could handle...life lol


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Northerner]
    #26997871 - 10/22/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've been using psychedelics on and off for maybe 25 years. For me it comes and goes. Some years I'll trip very often, other years irregularly, other years not at all. Sometimes I'll forget about psychedelics for years, then suddenly I'll want it again and I'll find myself in another psychedelic romance.




Nice - another example of how psychedelics are such a personal experience for everyone who uses them. It's also reassuring to know that you can still find the romance in psychedelics even after 25 years.

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Though I've got kids and a career and stuff now I still make time for tripping from time to time. I reckon life is a bit more interesting with psychedelic insight. Drinkers and general public can be so trivial and boring. It's good to keep things interesting.



The comments about drinkers and keeping things interesting are super relatable. It's also nice to know that you've still found time to have these experiences amidst the responsibilities of parenthood.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26997887 - 10/22/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Tread lightly. These little buggers are just waiting for a rude awakening. Im so happy I had that trip though. It built me more and gave me more than I ever have gotten from a full blown laughing blast (though those trips are also very very therapeutic). Nothing like an authentic laugh. So good for the soul.




Thanks for sharing all of your stories here - I appreciate your perspective. I have yet to have a super challenging mushroom trip on my own (I had one earlier this summer, but it was primarily because it was with someone else and there were some very unexpected complications in our relationship that came up while we were tripping). I have had two extremely challenging LSD trips, so I definitely have a much more cautious relationship with LSD than I do with mushrooms right now. I have definitely seen the value in a challenging trip (they can be extremely therapeutic, as you said), so I'm not afraid of that. My current approach is usually just to let go and let the mushroom take me wherever it takes me, and to trust that I will get through it, no matter how upsetting or frightening it might get.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26997901 - 10/22/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think for me, one of the important reasons I foresee it in my life indefinitely, is that I love growing as much as I love to trip (maybe I like growing them even more). Just watching it grow is still miraculous to me and gives me its own sort of "high". I know I'll have different gaps between trips, some longer and some shorter, but as long as I love to grow, they'll be in my life.



That's a really cool sentiment, and I empathize with that a lot. I love growing mushrooms. I've found it to be a really rewarding hobby, even if I don't trip. Sharing the mushrooms I grow with people I love and care about has been a super rewarding experience.

I think there's also something to be said for the related "highs" you experience while sober between trips. Integrating my experiences via journaling, talking to other people, and posting on this forum comes with its own "high". I'm at the point where I actually like integrating my psychedelic experiences more than I like tripping itself!


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26997906 - 10/22/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Such tremendous luck to discover a mate on your block who has made psychedelic opportunities blossom for you.

I would consult further with her in everything if I were you and the gate were still open to her.




The gate is still open with her, but it's quite complicated. Our relationship became quite toxic towards the end, and escalated to a point where she cheated on me with her roommate. It hurt me so badly that I couldn't speak to her for years. However, last winter, she actually reached out to me. Turns out that she moved to another state with this roommate, and she's in an abusive relationship with him (I always knew that guy was serious trouble). I had a long phone call with her where we caught up about stuff, and that was really cool in a number of ways. She started reaching out to me some more after that, but I realized that it's still just too sensitive for me right now to maintain any kind of relationship with her, and I communicated that to her. Maybe one day, it'll be easier for us to communicate, but for right now, I think it's best if we just live our own lives separately.

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as for a relationship with drugs, set your boundaries and stick to them, this holds for all relationships, respect boundaries and be a good host.



Such simple advice, but it rings so true. I would probably benefit from taking some time to sit down and figure out what my boundaries are when it comes to psychedelics. Thanks for your insight!


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: skOsH]
    #26997917 - 10/22/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It's why I live alone and I don't even trip anymore because...well, I don't really go outside. Too scary for me with my ptsd, in terms of others lol. Doesn't even have to do with the current state of the world, I just don't like people. I'll stick to going out for like, 5 mins every two days. xD

Was totally a different person when I tripped. Was definitely more social and I could handle...life lol



That sounds really tough. Sorry to hear you've been dealing with PTSD. I have no idea what PTSD feels like, but my heart goes out to you either way. I hope you're able to find some healing in your life from that.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26997985 - 10/22/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 4
    #26998951 - 10/23/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So, my question for more experienced psychonauts is: what have you done to maintain a healthy relationship with psychedelics in the long term? Do you have any advice for someone like me, who is just now discovering how beautiful these substances really are? What does it mean to you to have a healthy relationship with psychedelics?




Just one word:  respect. :yinyang2:

I first tripped at about 21, 44 years ago (!), with liberty caps and some good friends.  Since then I've done mushrooms well over a thousand times, almost always solo. I can easily recall details of many of them, with the higher dosages etched vividly in memory, somewhere outside of time.

I continue to work with them because, well, hyperspace never gets old. :snoopyes:


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26999034 - 10/23/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What a great post to read. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with tripping once or twice a month if you can get your hands on it. I personally try to take psychedelics at least once a month because I feel it gives my emotions and my stress level a reset. I also feel like I learn how to deal with my own reality better.

What kind of doses are you taking?


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26999271 - 10/23/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Tread lightly. These little buggers are just waiting for a rude awakening. Im so happy I had that trip though. It built me more and gave me more than I ever have gotten from a full blown laughing blast (though those trips are also very very therapeutic). Nothing like an authentic laugh. So good for the soul.




Thanks for sharing all of your stories here - I appreciate your perspective. I have yet to have a super challenging mushroom trip on my own (I had one earlier this summer, but it was primarily because it was with someone else and there were some very unexpected complications in our relationship that came up while we were tripping). I have had two extremely challenging LSD trips, so I definitely have a much more cautious relationship with LSD than I do with mushrooms right now. I have definitely seen the value in a challenging trip (they can be extremely therapeutic, as you said), so I'm not afraid of that. My current approach is usually just to let go and let the mushroom take me wherever it takes me, and to trust that I will get through it, no matter how upsetting or frightening it might get.



You've got the right mindset buddy! Glad to see you're apart of the community. You seem to be someone I will be hearing from regularly with your experiences!

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Hope you have been well brother! Nice to see your posts again as well. I've just been staying busy and whatnot. Weird times we are in right now so kind of keeping tbe mind busy with work and hobbies haha. You also gave great insight. Always a real one:coolcat:


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26999273 - 10/23/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What kind of doses are you taking?




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    #26999483 - 10/23/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What a great post to read. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with tripping once or twice a month if you can get your hands on it. I personally try to take psychedelics at least once a month because I feel it gives my emotions and my stress level a reset. I also feel like I learn how to deal with my own reality better.




Yeah, once or twice a month definitely doesn't feel like it's too much, given my life circumstances. Doesn't get in the way of my work or any of my other responsibilities. It really only seems to enhance my life for the time being :smile:

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What kind of doses are you taking?



Not very high ones. My favorite dosage right now is 2.5 dried grams of average variety p. cubensis. Most of the time, at this dosage, it gets me to either a level 2 or 3 trip. This Sunday, I'm going to start exploring a little deeper with 3.6 dried grams of cubensis. Hoping for a strong level 3 or maybe level 4 trip. I have taken 3.6 dried grams before, but it was with some friends, never on my own. I'm really excited for it!


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27000285 - 10/23/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

When i was 18 i tried some mushrooms. When i took them i thought, well i'm going to get high, lets have fun.
  What followed was one of the most bizarre experiences i have had. I went through so many emotions during the course of the trip. During the trip i thought about my anxiety that i would have from just walking down the street. I realized that it didn't matter and my anxiety was foolish.
  I went on another trip a few months later. I had a few trips here and there but it wasn't until i was 30 when i started to not only hit it hard but go up in dosage. I already knew that it worked as a medicine of sorts. It relieved my anxiety.
  After about 3 years of hitting the trips hard i now only trip a few times a year. Maybe only twice now. That could change but there so much to work on, at least that's what i see.
I have thought about it now that i'm getting older, i don't want to go on a half ass trip but i'm also weary of going on my usual dose range. It seems like i have to gather everything i have in order to trip now. I still do it but it just seems to be getting harder and harder to take that first plunge.

I feel as if i have to train my mind to focus. In the past i have just allowed the experience to sweep by but these days i try to interact and be with the experience instead of observing. If that makes any sense.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27000459 - 10/23/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

As mush as i love tripping with people i do prefer solo tripping my self i feel like less distractions the better an you can also really focus on what you want to improve your life an break bad habits.

I really appreciate LSD an mushrooms for the benefits they give us the rides are some of the most beautiful things ever to experience 😉.

The best thing I have learned is respect your substance an never over do it. They have special magic an you can lose it if you abuse it. Iv done it my slef i had to take a year off an come back with a different minde set. As much as i get fuck up i think its more important to go in with an intention an use it as a tool to better your slef.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27000495 - 10/23/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I tripped often from about 16-23 or so.

Then I had some anxiety attacks that put me off psychedelics for a while, even though I wasn’t tripping when they happened.

Now I’m older and I’ll do half a hit of acid every 2-3 years. I smoke a lot of weed the rest of the time. Tripping is something amazing and I treasure those memories. But I doubt I’d go that deep again. Life gets in the way. And I don’t even have a family. I’m just trying to stay sane and keep the visual disturbances to a minimum

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: drr]
    #27000718 - 10/24/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I like to set aside time in advance and know that the trip is coming.  Last few years I have been setting aside the Solstices and Equinoxes as dates to trip on.  It doesnt always happen on that exact night.  But usually within a week or two, often on the night of the full moon.  It just depends upon commitments and when I know for sure I can have a solid day off to recharge, and then I'll set aside the night before to trip on with no disturbances or responsibilities.  If I dont sleep at all that night its ok, because the next day is downtime to recharge on.  Sometimes I'll trip in between those dates; but often I wont. 

Knowing in advance that the trip is coming and I wont back out means that I have to face the trip even if I'm not really feeling like it.  The seasons of life always change, especially this last year.  There is something to be said about experiencing all of those seasons with some trips, no matter what.  It can be challenging, but in the challenges is when we grow the most.

I also recognize that the potential outcome of never taking a break can be  a gradual disconnect from reality.  Losing that grip on reality is not something that I want to experience.  But at the same time, with each trip there is an element of disconnect from day-to-day reality, especially the deeper that you go.  And over time these experiences stay with you and become a part of you. 

Even as we grow older we evolve.  I want to evolve in the direction of being more open and true to myself, warts and all.  Psychedelics seem to be the best way forward with this, but only if the lessons are applied in real life and result in real growth and refinement and change.  Otherwise too much psychedelics is not good.  It can shake too much of what you know be true, and a world like that can become dark and cynical.  Taken too far it can even become tragic.

So I think that it is good to have purpose and intention.  Restraint is good.  How many times a year actually make sense and will be beneficial?  Its good to think about that and make a plan that works for you.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #27000732 - 10/24/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I feel as if i have to train my mind to focus. In the past i have just allowed the experience to sweep by but these days i try to interact and be with the experience instead of observing. If that makes any sense.



As far as I understand, it's impossible not to "be with the experience". Even if you're just approaching it as an observer instead of an active participant, it still happens and you still experience it either way. Still, I understand that you're trying to shift your intention with it, which can be useful. I think your intention has a significant effect on the outcome of a psychedelic experience.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Mach z 800]
    #27000740 - 10/24/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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As mush as i love tripping with people i do prefer solo tripping my self i feel like less distractions the better an you can also really focus on what you want to improve your life an break bad habits.




Often times, for me, it just depends on the circumstances. When I trip with people I love and care about, I find that it can often show me aspects of my relationship with them that isn't obvious in everyday experience, and that can be really useful. I often find that tripping with people I care about increases my gratitude towards them, which is nice! This can also backfire, though. My most recent mushroom trip was with someone who was a friend, but who I also wasn't very close with. While we were tripping, I discovered that he had been dating my ex (not his fault at all - he had never met her while we were dating). That was a tough one :frown:

I agree that tripping alone comes along with less distractions. I also find that I'm a lot less anxious when I trip on my own. There are fewer variables, and I feel a greater sense of freedom on my own, which generally puts me more at ease.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: drr]
    #27000742 - 10/24/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Now I’m older and I’ll do half a hit of acid every 2-3 years. I smoke a lot of weed the rest of the time. Tripping is something amazing and I treasure those memories. But I doubt I’d go that deep again. Life gets in the way. And I don’t even have a family. I’m just trying to stay sane and keep the visual disturbances to a minimum




I feel ya. It's always important to prioritize your sober life above drugs, in my opinion :smile:

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #27000749 - 10/24/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Even as we grow older we evolve.  I want to evolve in the direction of being more open and true to myself, warts and all.  Psychedelics seem to be the best way forward with this, but only if the lessons are applied in real life and result in real growth and refinement and change.  Otherwise too much psychedelics is not good.  It can shake too much of what you know be true, and a world like that can become dark and cynical.  Taken too far it can even become tragic.

So I think that it is good to have purpose and intention.  Restraint is good.  How many times a year actually make sense and will be beneficial?  Its good to think about that and make a plan that works for you.



This is all very sound advice. Thanks for sharing. Restraint is absolutely a good thing (as others in the thread have described it, every healthy relationship has boundaries).

I think I'm at the stage where I'm still figuring out what my plan is. I don't know how many times a year makes sense right now. I think I'm more at the stage where I just trip whenever it feels right from day to day. I never do it more than once every two weeks, but the primary reason for that is to keep my tolerance low.

You're also absolutely right that abuse of psychedelics can shake too much of what we know to be true. I've met a few people who have gone too far with psychedelic usage, and it's sad to see because they become very alienated from other people. Every psychedelic experience I've had has been something that I've carried around with me since it happened. Thankfully, all of my experiences have had useful lessons, and I still feel very much in-touch with reality, but I'm also aware that this isn't something I can take for granted, and that carrying around all of my psychedelic experiences with me will be something that happens for better or worse.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27000763 - 10/24/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I hate tripping with other people. Way too much planning and the other people usually don't trip for the same reason you do. other people bring down my trip and I always feel like I have to check in on them and make sure they are doing okay. I can't just immerse myself in the trip and get what I need out of it.if any of you have followed any of my posts you might be familiar with the one in psychedelic experience where I asked people advice on doing a day trip at the beach. Well I canceled that trip because one of my friends is a fucking high functioning ADHD narcissist bitch who is always rushing the shit out of me and I'm not going to fucking handle that when I'm tripping. like literally every time she is on the phone with me her voice sounds like she has a million better things to be doing than talking to me. after that I vow to never trip with anyone else again unless it is maybe a low dose of LSD. I should have just gone to the damn Beach myself and fucking taken acid myself.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27000807 - 10/24/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It isn't always the case the one just gets old, gets married, has kids etc. and time/priorities change, although it's often a factor in reduced/eliminated use of psychedelics.

For me though, and where I'm at in life at 40 years old, I just don't feel the need to trip often, if ever. 

I think if you get too sucked in to the state of the world and stress and any other concerns in this dream we call life, they can be a great tool to put things back into perspective.  But with a healthy level of spirituality (whatever that means lol) and positivity in life, I just don't find it necessary any more. 

For me, having gone through troubles with abusing drugs most of my life, I find it's a whole new experience living without them.  And I don't just mean quitting the hard ones, I did that years ago, I mean cutting out alcohol, tobacco, pot, caffeine, ALL drugs.  It's a crazy new experience not needing anything to get through the day or sleep through the night. 

So anyway, that's where I'm at right now.  Times and headspace change though, I'm sure the psychedicelics will call to me when they might be useful and I'll probably visit them again.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Forrester]
    #27000843 - 10/24/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

that is very true.
at times of implementation and labor - recreational chemistry stops.
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    #27000855 - 10/24/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

that's one of the coolest things I've heard

I'm at a similar stage

I don't believe in cutting out psychedelics life long though

sometimes long breaks are necessary but one has to revisit them

at least like at age 60 or something like that

friends have totally quit and their life is not worth living

or close to

that seems to happen when one quits for life and life is worth living and exciting with them later it seems

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    #27000866 - 10/24/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

it is probably preferable to not overdo it so one doesn't have to take a break

with the internet and so many substances it is easy to do so many substances with such a high frequency that a break becomes necessary or psychosis

for this not to happen it is important to be moderate


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    #27000870 - 10/24/20 07:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

with so many substances it becomes important to choose the best and most awesome of them

my choices would be bc bubble has marijuana or the best kief legally and easily bought, salvia and 1plsd


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    #27000871 - 10/24/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

it becomes important to choose the best

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    #27000874 - 10/24/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

when psychosis sets in it is usually becauce of quantity and it is important to be moderate so

maybe not so many substances and not so frequently and not so high dose


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27001608 - 10/24/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Your doses are really not high at all and I really don't see any derealization happening from your usage. People who go crazy from these drugs are using it all the time like what Syd Barrett was doing.

Even when I was working before covid-19 I always set time for tripping at least once a month. With three days off per week I would trip either the last day of the work week or the day after. I don't have kids and never want them.

I have undiagnosed ADHD and I have other mental issues so tripping is definitely not anything that I would quit doing all together. as long as I have access I will do them at least once a month. I love to go outside of my mind so I can learn about the inside of my mind and handle life more easily. I like switching back and forth between mushrooms and LSD. mushrooms can be an emotional roller coaster sometimes where LSD can be more gentle and loving to contrast the mushroom trip. Lsd for introspection and fun and to let loose, mushrooms for learning about my cognitive behavioral psychology.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27002588 - 10/25/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Your doses are really not high at all and I really don't see any derealization happening from your usage. People who go crazy from these drugs are using it all the time like what Syd Barrett was doing.




Yeah, I'm very careful with dosage and with frequency. Psychosis was one of my biggest fears when I first started using psychedelics, but now that I'm out of my early twenties (the most vulnerable time in life), it's not as big of a concern for me.

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mushrooms can be an emotional roller coaster sometimes where LSD can be more gentle and loving to contrast the mushroom trip. Lsd for introspection and fun and to let loose, mushrooms for learning about my cognitive behavioral psychology.



That's funny - this just shows how different everyone is when it comes to psychedelics. Personally, I find mushrooms to be a much more gentle and loving experience, and I find LSD to be more of an emotional roller coaster. That's just me, though haha


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    #27003287 - 10/25/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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What a great post to read. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with tripping once or twice a month if you can get your hands on it. I personally try to take psychedelics at least once a month because I feel it gives my emotions and my stress level a reset. I also feel like I learn how to deal with my own reality better.




Yeah, once or twice a month definitely doesn't feel like it's too much, given my life circumstances. Doesn't get in the way of my work or any of my other responsibilities. It really only seems to enhance my life for the time being :smile:

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What kind of doses are you taking?



Not very high ones. My favorite dosage right now is 2.5 dried grams of average variety p. cubensis. Most of the time, at this dosage, it gets me to either a level 2 or 3 trip. This Sunday, I'm going to start exploring a little deeper with 3.6 dried grams of cubensis. Hoping for a strong level 3 or maybe level 4 trip. I have taken 3.6 dried grams before, but it was with some friends, never on my own. I'm really excited for it!



I think it also depends on the specific mushroom trip. In general mushrooms make my mind zoom faster than with LSD. so I sort of feel like I'm in less control on mushrooms than with acid. It could also be the fact that we are in a pandemic and so some of my trips this year I have thought a little bit about the dark side.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27003306 - 10/25/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I find acid easier to deal with, more of an extroverted trip than mushrooms.


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    #27003310 - 10/25/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I've been using psychedelics on and off for maybe 25 years. For me it comes and goes. Some years I'll trip very often, other years irregularly, other years not at all. Sometimes I'll forget about psychedelics for years, then suddenly I'll want it again and I'll find myself in another psychedelic romance.






Could not have said it better myself. It is a romantic relationship, sometimes replaced with another, kids and love, but one that you can always go back to, a lover who is always ready for your return and never angry for being spurned for another, ready again to teach.


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    #27003494 - 10/25/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I find acid easier to deal with, more of an extroverted trip than mushrooms.



it's ironic. Mushrooms only last 5 to 6 hours so you would think they don't need as much planning and preparation yet the fact that I have to be in a completely good frame of mind and everything going good in my life or else it shows me all the emotional and dark sides of my life. even if you think you have a good mind frame going into a mushroom trip, if there's something even an inkling in the back of your mind, it will somehow come up during the trip. Whereas acid I feel like I can forget about my problems more easily and enjoy the trip. but yeah I really need to reserve mushrooms for times in my life where everything is pretty much almost perfect so then I can just ascend freely.

But then acid is difficult to plan also because it lasts so long at 12 hours LOL. 

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    #27003906 - 10/26/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For anyone who's interested, I'm currently at the cooldown of a 3.5 gram mushroom tea experience. Still feel a little light-headed, but things have definitely settled down. It was a really powerful experience, as usual, but I've been doing this so frequently lately that I'm pretty used to it. Anyway, here's a trip report, while it's still fresh in my mind:

Setting: My home, by myself. I spent most of the day preparing for the trip by cleaning and setting the mood. I went grocery shopping and prepared a meal I could reheat for later during the comedown. I also told one of my best friends who lives nearby that I was going to trip, and I asked him if he would be available for me to call him just in case I started having a really challenging experience and needed someone to talk to. He agreed. I've never had to call a friend during a trip, no matter how challenging, but I find that knowing someone is there if you need them is reassuring. I lit a candle and burned some incense.

Mindset: I just finished one of the busiest weeks of my life. It was exhausting, but also extremely rewarding. I connected with a lot of great people and got a lot of good work done. I also started working hard on some personal growth and reflection this week. I've been reading some of my old journal entries and it's been fascinating to see how I've changed over the years. I've also seen some aspects of myself that I'd definitely like to change, which has been challenging. Though it's been challenging, it's also given me the opportunity to take action in my life and to right a few wrongs. To that end, I feel at-peace with myself, which is always a good place to be in before a trip.

At 6 PM, I brewed the tea while listening to a talk by Dr. Richard Alpert (later known as Ram Dass) about LSD. I let it steep for fifteen minutes, then cool for another fifteen. As it cooled, I meditated, which always clears my head and calms me down. As I raised the tea up to my mouth, I felt incredibly nervous, but then I just drank it all. Once I got it all down, I laughed to myself, realizing that there's no turning back now. I laid down in my bed with a mushroom-friendly playlist ready, put my phone in "do-not-disturb" mode, and waited. I looked up at the clock, and saw that it was about 7:00 PM.

7:20 PM - definitely starting to feel something. I look up at the ceiling and watch the flicker of the candle's flame. I start to see patterns in the flame that aren't really there, and it makes me giggle to myself. I go to the bathroom to relieve my bladder, and then return to my room. I close my eyes, notice that there's definitely some stuff going on with my eyes closed, and I also notice some auditory hallucinations. It almost sounds like there's an oceanic tide in my bedroom. I decide it's time to start my playlist.

7:45 PM - Only a few songs into this playlist, but it feels like I've been going for hours. Closed-eye visuals are indescribable. Some of the things I see with my eyes closed are a little unsettling and make me feel uncomfortable, but I just keep breathing and gently remind myself that nothing here can hurt me, and that facing fear or discomfort head on can be a really rewarding experience. I am surrendering to the mushroom. The current song is "Sleep" by the Dandy Warhols, one of my favorite bands that I've been listening to for over a decade. I start to think a lot about my family, and how stressed out they are right now because of the pandemic. My parents are both over the age of sixty, and they both work jobs where they're forced to be out in public, interacting with people. They are so stressed out about the virus all the time, and it makes me sad. I think very loving thoughts about both of them, and my concern for them starts to spread out to everyone who is suffering because of the coronavirus. It's a very stressful time to be alive in general, especially in the US where we have an extremely divisive election going on. However, as I think about all of this, listen to the music, and watch the visual distortions behind my closed eyes, I realize how grateful I am to be alive. Even the most chaotic of days still have their moments of bliss, and this mushroom trip was my moment of bliss, I guess. I start thinking about Richard Alpert's talk. Alpert described a terminally-ill woman who used LSD as therapeutic medicine towards the very end of her life. During the experience, she was quoted saying "I know I'm dying, but it is so beautiful to be alive right now." Though I am not currently dying, this sentiment really resonated within me. With everything going on in the world right now, it sometimes feels like humanity might be coming to an end. Ultimately, we can't know for sure, but it's a possibility. To build off of this terminally-ill woman's moment of peace, I had a moment of peace of my own: "I know the world might be ending right now, but it is so beautiful to be alive." What a nice sentiment!

8:00 PM - The playlist turns to a song called "The Blood That Runs The Border" by the Myrrors. These guys are incredible musicians. They make music unlike anything I've ever heard. It's drony, psychedelic rock with a distinct Native American flavor to it. My closed-eye visuals become more distinct here, and I see a figure emerge from the chaos. To suit the Native American vibe of the music, I see what appears to be the top of a totem pole. It's a large, wooden bird. It looks majestic. I know I'm hallucinating, and I feel kind of ridiculous about it, but I decide to try and communicate with it. I ask "what are you here to teach me?" It doesn't respond with words, but instead with flourishes of indescribable visual patterns. In the moment, I interpret this to mean that the bird is here to just present me with the psychedelic experience. I tell it "I love you," and I feel it respond with "I love you, too". Weird moment that probably sounds batshit crazy, but I thought it was really nice!

8:10 PM - Now, I hear one of my favorite songs ever: "The River" by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. This is a song I've listened to many times while tripping, and it still hasn't lost its charm for me. I start to think about my job. It's a really good job, and I'm super grateful for it, but I don't want to be thinking about work right now. I feel myself resisting thinking about work, and resistance isn't a good thing to do during a trip. It starts to feel really uncomfortable. I'm trying to just listen to the music and relax, but I can't get these thoughts about work out of my head. I take a really deep breath, and accept the fact that these thoughts are just going to be in my head for now, and that I'll have to learn to live with them for now. My mind feels more at-ease after that.

8:30 PM - I get to one of the most psychedelic songs on my playlist: "GOOD HOUSE" by Deakin. I've never listened to this song under the influence before, and I'm starting to hear so many details that I never noticed before. What a beautiful piece of music. I highly recommend this one. The closed-eye visuals are definitely at a peak here, and it almost seems like the song is deliberately guiding my trip. A lot of the lyrics are about meditation and deep breathing, which syncs up nicely with my present state of mind. When the song comes to a close, I open my eyes and realize that I'm quite hungry. I get up, grab a small snack from my fridge, and decide that a walk outside sounds really nice right now. I put some earbuds in and go out for a walk, continuing the playlist.

9:00 PM - While I'm out for my walk, I continue enjoying the music. I love looking at the trees, and everything just feels beautiful. I feel beautiful. I feel so lucky to be alive, which is something I often take for granted in my everyday experiences, especially when I'm having a rotten or stressful day. I start to think that this is one of the major benefits of using magic mushrooms: they can remind you in a very intimate, direct way of just how beautiful life really is. As this sentiment fades away, I start to think about the subject of this thread, and I come to an important realization: I don't need to be using mushrooms as frequently as I have been to reap the benefits of mushrooms. At this point, I already realize just how memorable this trip is, and I think the beautiful experiences I've had thus far will stay alive in my memory for as long as I'm still kicking, which is really nice. I realize that this is probably going to be my last trip for a while. What "a while" really means is, of course, subjective, and I ultimately want to remain flexible. However, I just don't feel like I'll really need to trip again for the rest of this year. It's been a great year for me and psychedelics, and I'm sure I will continue to enjoy psychedelics in the future, but I've been using them pretty frequently recently, and though mushrooms still work on me very well, I am getting pretty used to the experience, which makes it lose a bit of the "magic." I feel really good about this, and it's really cool that this idea of taking mushrooms less frequently can naturally come up while under the influence. It's almost like there's an anti-abuse mechanism built into mushrooms. So cool! I absolutely love this drug.

9:10 PM - As my walk comes to a close, I walk past my buddy's house. I asked him if he would be on-call before the trip. I stop for a moment to look in his house, and I see him coming down the stairs. He notices me, waves, and comes to open the door. I say hello, tell him that the trip is going fantastically, and he tells me that he's about to watch a movie if I want to join him. I gladly agree. First, I stop by my place, grab the meal that I had prepared earlier, and bring it over to his place to heat up. We watch the movie, talk for a bit, and he goes to bed.

11:30 PM - I start writing this trip report. The trip is mostly over at this point. Presently, I feel really good about this trip. It feels like it was exactly what I needed from the mushrooms. There were so many layers to it. It made me feel such love for the people in my life, it made me appreciate music in new ways, it made me think about my relationship with psychedelics, it was a reward for a week of genuine, hard work, and it reminded me of how beautiful it is to be alive and experience anything at all. I'm super grateful I had this experience, and I'm looking forward to talking about it with some of my other like-minded friends.

Before I wrap this up, just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I've been thinking a lot about my relationship with psychedelics recently, and I feel so lucky to be able to connect with other people who have shared their wisdom about their own relationships with psychedelics. You all helped me have a smoother experience tonight, and I'm grateful.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27003920 - 10/26/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm 33 and I don't think I'll stop tripping till the day I die.

Only 1 person in my life knows I trip too, I'm hiding it from everyone close to me.


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    #27004191 - 10/26/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

@sinnerman, it's ok to hide.

@Nonagon Infinity, when I get to the oceanic sounds of the silent room (your 7:20pm entry), I stay with that until it ends. I guess I don't like driving. I can keep falling for hours. some call it flying.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27004321 - 10/26/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel kind of bad about "not being able to" trip in my flat in silence, because it's not silent at all with the refrigerator and all.

It's been 5 or 6 weeks since my last trip, and after that I thought I might trip again in a week or two already. Time just flies. Soon...
I guess this links to respecting the substance, so that I take the proper time the whole thing needs.

I think I am definitely going to maintain a long term relationship with mushrooms all my life, even if there is years between trips.
It's just such a life affirming experience to me that I can't see a reason not to. Before I started growing this year I had my last psychedelic trips 6-8 years ago.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27004413 - 10/26/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

usually refrigerators and furnaces produce symphonic orchestration for me.


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    #27004761 - 10/26/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I could try it and put music on if it gets uncomfortably loud or something.


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    #27004848 - 10/26/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess this links to respecting the substance, so that I take the proper time the whole thing needs.




Well YMMV but by "respect" I mean how you go into the trip itself, not the mundane time before or after preparing the setting. 

This means addressing the mushroom spirit before ingestion of tea with a ritual saying I came up with years ago, inviting them into my heart and expressing the desire to have them transport me internally.  I also repeat that during the trip at any time it might seem to be going slightly off the rails. 

This is set, an alignment of spirit and mind to what is to transpire. :yinyang2:


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    #27004911 - 10/26/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your input. I also do a little prayer, but nothing quite that specific. I still have time to come up with my own.


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    #27005256 - 10/26/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use a white noise app on my phone when I am spending the night away from home. They have also nature and other sounds like rainfall. If your fridge is bothering you maybe you can drown it out with something neutral.


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    #27005276 - 10/26/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes I'll do a sun salutation yoga series directly after I swallow the last mushroom. At the end of the last series with palms together at my chest, I tell the mushroom to PLEASE show me what I need to see. Then I thank the mushroom and go about my trip. I set up some sort of "alter" or safe spot that I can look to for grounding. My alter is setting up music and visualizations on winamp. Sometimes I'll grab a crystal or two and set it up. I start my trips by putting on the music and then propping up my pillows on my bed and then lay down facing the computer and meditating on the visualizations allowing my mind to bend and go in and out of consciousness frequencies.


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    #27005535 - 10/26/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for your input. I also do a little prayer, but nothing quite that specific. I still have time to come up with my own.





It's not exactly a prayer, it's a little poem I wrote and easy to remember.  I'm not praying to the mushrooms, I don't think - it's more inviting them to elevate my consciousness.  If that helps. :hereyougo:

This is it, anyway:

Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, come into my heart.
Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, with me from the start.
Take me to the still place, where the world begins.
Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, take me home again.


I've posted it before, I find it helpful for the ceremony of ingestion and like I said, during the trip sometimes.


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    #27005601 - 10/27/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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@Nonagon Infinity, when I get to the oceanic sounds of the silent room (your 7:20pm entry), I stay with that until it ends. I guess I don't like driving. I can keep falling for hours. some call it flying.



Yeah, it was a really curious experience, and not an unpleasant one, at that. I had never had auditory hallucinations like that from mushrooms before. Maybe if I come across that again in the future, I'll just allow myself to experience that for a while.


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    #27009030 - 10/28/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well hello OP great post must I say especially with most of fellow shroomites in there late 20's mid 30's. I'm 35 longtime member I believe I started posting & growing around 18 to 20 so itsbeen a long on again off again relationship with psychdelics for sure... I myself 3 yrs back found my fiance who lived down the street and developed a beautiful relationship with her and psyches we had tripped together a few times We candy flipped on new years it was so special, when I told her I wanted to be with her forever... She agreed we were in the process of building a life together until she got sick, she had gotten covid19 and had underlying heart issue got pnemonia and took her in 2 weeksmost surreal 2 weeks of my life. I miss her so much... Aimee Orme my angel March 14 2020 43 RIP.
I've tripped since the twice the first time another dive back in too LSD, I dive pretty big 6oougs that went pretty well as it was during the day. Those a really the best at this age not staying up all night. 2nd trip was at 2mg quiet a bit higher and over a 3 day period redosing, I don't recommend had a mental break and was very physically and mentally taxing.

Now I haven't really given you a background of my drug history and how long I've been doing this. Well I'm the guy everyone calls when they got a trip question, how much? How many? What's a good dose? How is that done? Best ROA? You get it drug wizard... Anyway so yes DMT, MXE, 4 aco-dmt IV? 100mg I did ! Read the trip report it's insane, but yes do to this site and psychonauts pushing the boundaries and blowing passed barriers.
But I've become more Reserved in my Trips no a adays, I look for the Big Trips & Honestly this Saturday the 31st full moon feels right for a trip. I've been planning on one for awhile just wanted thingx to a line. It feels right. It just have to set myself up mentally & physically.
As you do for any adventure it's I've been through so many Experiences...
Here's to astral surfing in the old age I guess I'm sitting on a half sheet for rainy days guess Saturday it going to pour :hahyeahwoo:😃:trippinbawelz::trippinbawelz:


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: superbob57]
    #27009454 - 10/28/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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She agreed we were in the process of building a life together until she got sick, she had gotten covid19 and had underlying heart issue got pnemonia and took her in 2 weeksmost surreal 2 weeks of my life. I miss her so much... Aimee Orme my angel March 14 2020 43 RIP.



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    #27011798 - 10/30/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's insanely painful my friend, this girl was my best friend we spent 22 hours a day together row last two years we got to know each other well me and this girl didn't just have sex we made love... I've never met somebody so special in my life I never wanted to be with somebody so much in my life I thought I was going to be alone look for the rest of my life but she sure did change that.... I miss her so much I cry about it all the time, TBH I'm a little afraid high-dose trip due to the fact up how many emotions are probably going to pour out and how uncontrollable it's going to be when planning doesn't work out but maybe that needs to happen I don't know I'm yet to decide this... I was planning on pulling the trigger Saturday night, full moon, Halloween, plenty of LSD and plenty of dabs so I thought it'd be a good idea but we'll see if I pulled the LSD card or not. I mean I just been crying so much lately I don't know if it's a good idea thanks for your condolences man...:manofapproval: FUCK I miss her so much...Never thought the heart could burn,yurn,hurt, break, over & over day after say but I've compared it to an IV Drug; I was mainlining my fiance & now I got to kick her cold turkey & it fucking breaks my heart, soul & emotions, Fuck I miss her...RIP Aimee Orme 43, March 14 2020


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    #27011822 - 10/30/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so sorry to hear,

can you get those little candles in jars or glasses,
light one every evening or more, and try to find some peaceful way forward. It is always a new experience, as if no man had gone before, but at least the candles can be like stars in your universe.
honor her with everything you do.

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    #27012026 - 10/30/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can only imagine your suffering and pain. I don't know what psychedelics you like most, but I would recommend shrooms in this type of situation. Personally I find my emotions easier to handle and understand and let go on mushrooms than sober.
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    #27012506 - 10/30/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I'm dealing with it best I can it. Very rough, as a member said a few months back when I let the Shroomery know of my tragedy. It's time to feel,he said really feel,  I've just about felt every state sober ,which is good it's clear headed ,raw ,uncut unfiltered pain it very surreal. I plan on dosing at :trippinbawelz:1mg :lsdabc:dose tommarow, I feel a need for it I call them hard Resets, like when been playing Zelda on NES for hours and you hit that Reset button, a fresh a new, a full brain reboot. Wish me luck fellow psychonauts :seriousthumbsup::manofapproval:
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    #27013231 - 10/31/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I plan on dosing at :trippinbawelz:1mg :lsdabc:dose tommarow



That's a lot of acid. Sounds like you're pretty experienced with it, though. I hope it's a peaceful, loving, and healing experience for you :smile:


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    #27013380 - 10/31/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

you wont need that much at all, because you are fully aligned at this juncture.

grieving takes time.

if you rush and push this some important things which must be savored may never have fair moments at all.


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    #27013566 - 10/31/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I find experiences beyond 40 to be quite beautiful and deep. For me, the experiences have become a lot more about growth and understanding, regardless of the dose. I find that tea is the preferred method of delivery. Five hours is enough for me. I find that eating them lasts longer the older that I get. It could be related to changes in metabolism, but I am not sure.


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    #27014813 - 10/31/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I find experiences beyond 40 to be quite beautiful and deep. For me, the experiences have become a lot more about growth and understanding, regardless of the dose. I find that tea is the preferred method of delivery. Five hours is enough for me. I find that eating them lasts longer the older that I get. It could be related to changes in metabolism, but I am not sure.



I also prefer tea, but that's mostly because I have a pretty sensitive stomach. The shorter lifespan of the trip doesn't bother me.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27018136 - 11/02/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Did they always bother your stomach?


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: BattleCat]
    #27019093 - 11/03/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

They always bothered mine until I read the powder tek, and also tea tek.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: BattleCat]
    #27019231 - 11/03/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Did they always bother your stomach?



Yeah, I've always gotten a bit of stomach pain from mushrooms.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27019609 - 11/03/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I just cant seem to pull the trigger, I just seem to be so worn out mentally, physically & spiritually. I'm burnt my emotions have been a rollercoaster ride & I don't want to drop in this state or I might just have too as I've been like this for 7months, I don't see any change insight.
I think I'm going to get back to mushrooms & ketmaine, I really enjoy dissociates and shroom are shorter than acid not 12+hrs shrooms are more like 4to 6 that more manageable as well...
Wish me luck I let you know how my ketamine experiences are 😉:trippinbawelz::manofapproval::mindblown:


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