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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Northerner]
    #27003494 - 10/25/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I find acid easier to deal with, more of an extroverted trip than mushrooms.



it's ironic. Mushrooms only last 5 to 6 hours so you would think they don't need as much planning and preparation yet the fact that I have to be in a completely good frame of mind and everything going good in my life or else it shows me all the emotional and dark sides of my life. even if you think you have a good mind frame going into a mushroom trip, if there's something even an inkling in the back of your mind, it will somehow come up during the trip. Whereas acid I feel like I can forget about my problems more easily and enjoy the trip. but yeah I really need to reserve mushrooms for times in my life where everything is pretty much almost perfect so then I can just ascend freely.

But then acid is difficult to plan also because it lasts so long at 12 hours LOL. 

I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27003906 - 10/26/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For anyone who's interested, I'm currently at the cooldown of a 3.5 gram mushroom tea experience. Still feel a little light-headed, but things have definitely settled down. It was a really powerful experience, as usual, but I've been doing this so frequently lately that I'm pretty used to it. Anyway, here's a trip report, while it's still fresh in my mind:

Setting: My home, by myself. I spent most of the day preparing for the trip by cleaning and setting the mood. I went grocery shopping and prepared a meal I could reheat for later during the comedown. I also told one of my best friends who lives nearby that I was going to trip, and I asked him if he would be available for me to call him just in case I started having a really challenging experience and needed someone to talk to. He agreed. I've never had to call a friend during a trip, no matter how challenging, but I find that knowing someone is there if you need them is reassuring. I lit a candle and burned some incense.

Mindset: I just finished one of the busiest weeks of my life. It was exhausting, but also extremely rewarding. I connected with a lot of great people and got a lot of good work done. I also started working hard on some personal growth and reflection this week. I've been reading some of my old journal entries and it's been fascinating to see how I've changed over the years. I've also seen some aspects of myself that I'd definitely like to change, which has been challenging. Though it's been challenging, it's also given me the opportunity to take action in my life and to right a few wrongs. To that end, I feel at-peace with myself, which is always a good place to be in before a trip.

At 6 PM, I brewed the tea while listening to a talk by Dr. Richard Alpert (later known as Ram Dass) about LSD. I let it steep for fifteen minutes, then cool for another fifteen. As it cooled, I meditated, which always clears my head and calms me down. As I raised the tea up to my mouth, I felt incredibly nervous, but then I just drank it all. Once I got it all down, I laughed to myself, realizing that there's no turning back now. I laid down in my bed with a mushroom-friendly playlist ready, put my phone in "do-not-disturb" mode, and waited. I looked up at the clock, and saw that it was about 7:00 PM.

7:20 PM - definitely starting to feel something. I look up at the ceiling and watch the flicker of the candle's flame. I start to see patterns in the flame that aren't really there, and it makes me giggle to myself. I go to the bathroom to relieve my bladder, and then return to my room. I close my eyes, notice that there's definitely some stuff going on with my eyes closed, and I also notice some auditory hallucinations. It almost sounds like there's an oceanic tide in my bedroom. I decide it's time to start my playlist.

7:45 PM - Only a few songs into this playlist, but it feels like I've been going for hours. Closed-eye visuals are indescribable. Some of the things I see with my eyes closed are a little unsettling and make me feel uncomfortable, but I just keep breathing and gently remind myself that nothing here can hurt me, and that facing fear or discomfort head on can be a really rewarding experience. I am surrendering to the mushroom. The current song is "Sleep" by the Dandy Warhols, one of my favorite bands that I've been listening to for over a decade. I start to think a lot about my family, and how stressed out they are right now because of the pandemic. My parents are both over the age of sixty, and they both work jobs where they're forced to be out in public, interacting with people. They are so stressed out about the virus all the time, and it makes me sad. I think very loving thoughts about both of them, and my concern for them starts to spread out to everyone who is suffering because of the coronavirus. It's a very stressful time to be alive in general, especially in the US where we have an extremely divisive election going on. However, as I think about all of this, listen to the music, and watch the visual distortions behind my closed eyes, I realize how grateful I am to be alive. Even the most chaotic of days still have their moments of bliss, and this mushroom trip was my moment of bliss, I guess. I start thinking about Richard Alpert's talk. Alpert described a terminally-ill woman who used LSD as therapeutic medicine towards the very end of her life. During the experience, she was quoted saying "I know I'm dying, but it is so beautiful to be alive right now." Though I am not currently dying, this sentiment really resonated within me. With everything going on in the world right now, it sometimes feels like humanity might be coming to an end. Ultimately, we can't know for sure, but it's a possibility. To build off of this terminally-ill woman's moment of peace, I had a moment of peace of my own: "I know the world might be ending right now, but it is so beautiful to be alive." What a nice sentiment!

8:00 PM - The playlist turns to a song called "The Blood That Runs The Border" by the Myrrors. These guys are incredible musicians. They make music unlike anything I've ever heard. It's drony, psychedelic rock with a distinct Native American flavor to it. My closed-eye visuals become more distinct here, and I see a figure emerge from the chaos. To suit the Native American vibe of the music, I see what appears to be the top of a totem pole. It's a large, wooden bird. It looks majestic. I know I'm hallucinating, and I feel kind of ridiculous about it, but I decide to try and communicate with it. I ask "what are you here to teach me?" It doesn't respond with words, but instead with flourishes of indescribable visual patterns. In the moment, I interpret this to mean that the bird is here to just present me with the psychedelic experience. I tell it "I love you," and I feel it respond with "I love you, too". Weird moment that probably sounds batshit crazy, but I thought it was really nice!

8:10 PM - Now, I hear one of my favorite songs ever: "The River" by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. This is a song I've listened to many times while tripping, and it still hasn't lost its charm for me. I start to think about my job. It's a really good job, and I'm super grateful for it, but I don't want to be thinking about work right now. I feel myself resisting thinking about work, and resistance isn't a good thing to do during a trip. It starts to feel really uncomfortable. I'm trying to just listen to the music and relax, but I can't get these thoughts about work out of my head. I take a really deep breath, and accept the fact that these thoughts are just going to be in my head for now, and that I'll have to learn to live with them for now. My mind feels more at-ease after that.

8:30 PM - I get to one of the most psychedelic songs on my playlist: "GOOD HOUSE" by Deakin. I've never listened to this song under the influence before, and I'm starting to hear so many details that I never noticed before. What a beautiful piece of music. I highly recommend this one. The closed-eye visuals are definitely at a peak here, and it almost seems like the song is deliberately guiding my trip. A lot of the lyrics are about meditation and deep breathing, which syncs up nicely with my present state of mind. When the song comes to a close, I open my eyes and realize that I'm quite hungry. I get up, grab a small snack from my fridge, and decide that a walk outside sounds really nice right now. I put some earbuds in and go out for a walk, continuing the playlist.

9:00 PM - While I'm out for my walk, I continue enjoying the music. I love looking at the trees, and everything just feels beautiful. I feel beautiful. I feel so lucky to be alive, which is something I often take for granted in my everyday experiences, especially when I'm having a rotten or stressful day. I start to think that this is one of the major benefits of using magic mushrooms: they can remind you in a very intimate, direct way of just how beautiful life really is. As this sentiment fades away, I start to think about the subject of this thread, and I come to an important realization: I don't need to be using mushrooms as frequently as I have been to reap the benefits of mushrooms. At this point, I already realize just how memorable this trip is, and I think the beautiful experiences I've had thus far will stay alive in my memory for as long as I'm still kicking, which is really nice. I realize that this is probably going to be my last trip for a while. What "a while" really means is, of course, subjective, and I ultimately want to remain flexible. However, I just don't feel like I'll really need to trip again for the rest of this year. It's been a great year for me and psychedelics, and I'm sure I will continue to enjoy psychedelics in the future, but I've been using them pretty frequently recently, and though mushrooms still work on me very well, I am getting pretty used to the experience, which makes it lose a bit of the "magic." I feel really good about this, and it's really cool that this idea of taking mushrooms less frequently can naturally come up while under the influence. It's almost like there's an anti-abuse mechanism built into mushrooms. So cool! I absolutely love this drug.

9:10 PM - As my walk comes to a close, I walk past my buddy's house. I asked him if he would be on-call before the trip. I stop for a moment to look in his house, and I see him coming down the stairs. He notices me, waves, and comes to open the door. I say hello, tell him that the trip is going fantastically, and he tells me that he's about to watch a movie if I want to join him. I gladly agree. First, I stop by my place, grab the meal that I had prepared earlier, and bring it over to his place to heat up. We watch the movie, talk for a bit, and he goes to bed.

11:30 PM - I start writing this trip report. The trip is mostly over at this point. Presently, I feel really good about this trip. It feels like it was exactly what I needed from the mushrooms. There were so many layers to it. It made me feel such love for the people in my life, it made me appreciate music in new ways, it made me think about my relationship with psychedelics, it was a reward for a week of genuine, hard work, and it reminded me of how beautiful it is to be alive and experience anything at all. I'm super grateful I had this experience, and I'm looking forward to talking about it with some of my other like-minded friends.

Before I wrap this up, just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I've been thinking a lot about my relationship with psychedelics recently, and I feel so lucky to be able to connect with other people who have shared their wisdom about their own relationships with psychedelics. You all helped me have a smoother experience tonight, and I'm grateful.

Blessings, and remember: fuck the system.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27003920 - 10/26/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm 33 and I don't think I'll stop tripping till the day I die.

Only 1 person in my life knows I trip too, I'm hiding it from everyone close to me.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: sinnerman]
    #27004191 - 10/26/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

@sinnerman, it's ok to hide.

@Nonagon Infinity, when I get to the oceanic sounds of the silent room (your 7:20pm entry), I stay with that until it ends. I guess I don't like driving. I can keep falling for hours. some call it flying.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27004321 - 10/26/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel kind of bad about "not being able to" trip in my flat in silence, because it's not silent at all with the refrigerator and all.

It's been 5 or 6 weeks since my last trip, and after that I thought I might trip again in a week or two already. Time just flies. Soon...
I guess this links to respecting the substance, so that I take the proper time the whole thing needs.

I think I am definitely going to maintain a long term relationship with mushrooms all my life, even if there is years between trips.
It's just such a life affirming experience to me that I can't see a reason not to. Before I started growing this year I had my last psychedelic trips 6-8 years ago.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27004413 - 10/26/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

usually refrigerators and furnaces produce symphonic orchestration for me.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27004761 - 10/26/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I could try it and put music on if it gets uncomfortably loud or something.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27004848 - 10/26/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess this links to respecting the substance, so that I take the proper time the whole thing needs.




Well YMMV but by "respect" I mean how you go into the trip itself, not the mundane time before or after preparing the setting. 

This means addressing the mushroom spirit before ingestion of tea with a ritual saying I came up with years ago, inviting them into my heart and expressing the desire to have them transport me internally.  I also repeat that during the trip at any time it might seem to be going slightly off the rails. 

This is set, an alignment of spirit and mind to what is to transpire. :yinyang2:


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #27004911 - 10/26/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for your input. I also do a little prayer, but nothing quite that specific. I still have time to come up with my own.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27005256 - 10/26/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I use a white noise app on my phone when I am spending the night away from home. They have also nature and other sounds like rainfall. If your fridge is bothering you maybe you can drown it out with something neutral.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27005276 - 10/26/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes I'll do a sun salutation yoga series directly after I swallow the last mushroom. At the end of the last series with palms together at my chest, I tell the mushroom to PLEASE show me what I need to see. Then I thank the mushroom and go about my trip. I set up some sort of "alter" or safe spot that I can look to for grounding. My alter is setting up music and visualizations on winamp. Sometimes I'll grab a crystal or two and set it up. I start my trips by putting on the music and then propping up my pillows on my bed and then lay down facing the computer and meditating on the visualizations allowing my mind to bend and go in and out of consciousness frequencies.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27005535 - 10/26/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for your input. I also do a little prayer, but nothing quite that specific. I still have time to come up with my own.





It's not exactly a prayer, it's a little poem I wrote and easy to remember.  I'm not praying to the mushrooms, I don't think - it's more inviting them to elevate my consciousness.  If that helps. :hereyougo:

This is it, anyway:

Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, come into my heart.
Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, with me from the start.
Take me to the still place, where the world begins.
Holy mushrooms, sacred mushrooms, take me home again.


I've posted it before, I find it helpful for the ceremony of ingestion and like I said, during the trip sometimes.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27005601 - 10/27/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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@Nonagon Infinity, when I get to the oceanic sounds of the silent room (your 7:20pm entry), I stay with that until it ends. I guess I don't like driving. I can keep falling for hours. some call it flying.



Yeah, it was a really curious experience, and not an unpleasant one, at that. I had never had auditory hallucinations like that from mushrooms before. Maybe if I come across that again in the future, I'll just allow myself to experience that for a while.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27009030 - 10/28/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well hello OP great post must I say especially with most of fellow shroomites in there late 20's mid 30's. I'm 35 longtime member I believe I started posting & growing around 18 to 20 so itsbeen a long on again off again relationship with psychdelics for sure... I myself 3 yrs back found my fiance who lived down the street and developed a beautiful relationship with her and psyches we had tripped together a few times We candy flipped on new years it was so special, when I told her I wanted to be with her forever... She agreed we were in the process of building a life together until she got sick, she had gotten covid19 and had underlying heart issue got pnemonia and took her in 2 weeksmost surreal 2 weeks of my life. I miss her so much... Aimee Orme my angel March 14 2020 43 RIP.
I've tripped since the twice the first time another dive back in too LSD, I dive pretty big 6oougs that went pretty well as it was during the day. Those a really the best at this age not staying up all night. 2nd trip was at 2mg quiet a bit higher and over a 3 day period redosing, I don't recommend had a mental break and was very physically and mentally taxing.

Now I haven't really given you a background of my drug history and how long I've been doing this. Well I'm the guy everyone calls when they got a trip question, how much? How many? What's a good dose? How is that done? Best ROA? You get it drug wizard... Anyway so yes DMT, MXE, 4 aco-dmt IV? 100mg I did ! Read the trip report it's insane, but yes do to this site and psychonauts pushing the boundaries and blowing passed barriers.
But I've become more Reserved in my Trips no a adays, I look for the Big Trips & Honestly this Saturday the 31st full moon feels right for a trip. I've been planning on one for awhile just wanted thingx to a line. It feels right. It just have to set myself up mentally & physically.
As you do for any adventure it's I've been through so many Experiences...
Here's to astral surfing in the old age I guess I'm sitting on a half sheet for rainy days guess Saturday it going to pour :hahyeahwoo:😃:trippinbawelz::trippinbawelz:


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: superbob57]
    #27009454 - 10/28/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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She agreed we were in the process of building a life together until she got sick, she had gotten covid19 and had underlying heart issue got pnemonia and took her in 2 weeksmost surreal 2 weeks of my life. I miss her so much... Aimee Orme my angel March 14 2020 43 RIP.



So sorry to hear about your loss, dude. That sounds unimaginably painful.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #27011798 - 10/30/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's insanely painful my friend, this girl was my best friend we spent 22 hours a day together row last two years we got to know each other well me and this girl didn't just have sex we made love... I've never met somebody so special in my life I never wanted to be with somebody so much in my life I thought I was going to be alone look for the rest of my life but she sure did change that.... I miss her so much I cry about it all the time, TBH I'm a little afraid high-dose trip due to the fact up how many emotions are probably going to pour out and how uncontrollable it's going to be when planning doesn't work out but maybe that needs to happen I don't know I'm yet to decide this... I was planning on pulling the trigger Saturday night, full moon, Halloween, plenty of LSD and plenty of dabs so I thought it'd be a good idea but we'll see if I pulled the LSD card or not. I mean I just been crying so much lately I don't know if it's a good idea thanks for your condolences man...:manofapproval: FUCK I miss her so much...Never thought the heart could burn,yurn,hurt, break, over & over day after say but I've compared it to an IV Drug; I was mainlining my fiance & now I got to kick her cold turkey & it fucking breaks my heart, soul & emotions, Fuck I miss her...RIP Aimee Orme 43, March 14 2020


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: superbob57]
    #27011822 - 10/30/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so sorry to hear,

can you get those little candles in jars or glasses,
light one every evening or more, and try to find some peaceful way forward. It is always a new experience, as if no man had gone before, but at least the candles can be like stars in your universe.
honor her with everything you do.

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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: superbob57]
    #27012026 - 10/30/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can only imagine your suffering and pain. I don't know what psychedelics you like most, but I would recommend shrooms in this type of situation. Personally I find my emotions easier to handle and understand and let go on mushrooms than sober.
I wish you the best man. Stay hopeful for your future.


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27012506 - 10/30/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I'm dealing with it best I can it. Very rough, as a member said a few months back when I let the Shroomery know of my tragedy. It's time to feel,he said really feel,  I've just about felt every state sober ,which is good it's clear headed ,raw ,uncut unfiltered pain it very surreal. I plan on dosing at :trippinbawelz:1mg :lsdabc:dose tommarow, I feel a need for it I call them hard Resets, like when been playing Zelda on NES for hours and you hit that Reset button, a fresh a new, a full brain reboot. Wish me luck fellow psychonauts :seriousthumbsup::manofapproval:
May full moon bring a spiritual connection to Aimee


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If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.A Man Of Experiences:lsdabc:...IV:syringe: 4-aco-DMT "Where Fools Rush In, and Angels Fear To Tread..." NN-DMT Pure Magic Wizard Dust!:wizard:
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:chesire: I miss you, I love you my Angel Aimee Renee Orme March 14th 2020. Always and Forever will are Love will go on, Forever & Always are Etched on my Heart. ❤


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Re: Maintaining a long term relationship with psychedelics? [Re: superbob57]
    #27013231 - 10/31/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I plan on dosing at :trippinbawelz:1mg :lsdabc:dose tommarow



That's a lot of acid. Sounds like you're pretty experienced with it, though. I hope it's a peaceful, loving, and healing experience for you :smile:


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