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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996350 - 10/21/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ya the physical rehab place is a real eye opener.
I just got, sorta, over a frozen shoulder from surfing.
Had it for a year.
Best of luck with your procedure!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #26996373 - 10/21/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it is. Physical rehab place is like mental rehab for people too because you can only feel so bad for yourself until you see someone who got it worse and you realize you're lucky.

Gracias, I figure it'll go well.

Yeah I'm just planning like I said incase shit goes to pot and I end up with lobster claw hands like they say. Bags would be so much easier to move and manipulate and when I need to open them for fruiting I could put them on a coffee can and pull the bag down. I see people like eat and Pasty have good luck with them or had when they did them and their BE is just silly.

I guess I can experiment with hole size/placement and find something that works. Thanks all.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inthepit]
    #26996495 - 10/21/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tested out micro dosing for the first time harvesting this year, gotta say it gave me a little energy and focus, helped keep me from taking to many smoke breaks and getting burned out.  Going to try it again.  .2 then .2 few hours later followed by .4, at the end of the day I was a little twisted but not overly, so technically I may have crossed over the micro threshold but it seemed pretty relax.

Guys going to ask this one again didn’t get any answers first time...
My 2nd monotub B+ jars were ready to spawn!  I also put my GT clone I took off my first tub to grain, hoping to see if it was all worth the effort. What are the big benefits to cloning? I’m struggling at justifying the extra effort as a hobbyist, but sounds like any mycologists worth his salt works with agar.  It seemed simple enough but unlike with MMJ I’m just not seeing the huge upside to using clones of established quality strains.  If I can get 7+ zips off 3 flushes now how much more will a clone give me all things being equal?  I guess I’m putting my faith in being able to obtain quality MS syringes which didn’t seem to difficult or costly.  $3-6 plus coir and grain for almost half an elbow seems fair enough.... thinking on time management/Return on investment.  Grain and syringe seemed easier and less technical then working with agar and it was pretty darn effective.  Lastly I tested out using a liner in my tub this time, initially it looks like a pain in the ass and unless I’m really impressed I plan on foregoing them in future tubs.  Thanks in advance for the feed back, opinions, ideas.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dr PinkShroom]
    #26996522 - 10/21/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Extra effort to cloning is desired to get consistent fruits. You can select traits you desire and make a good honest effort at having the same every time. Speed, potency, cluster formation, physical attributes like leucistic and albino. It hopefully eliminates the crapshoot aspect of MS but as some veterans have pointed out one fruit can carry a few different genetics I guess.

If I remember correctly there are some varieties that perform better as MS that have been documented here. Take this with a grain of salt as it's coming from half-remembered memory but there are a few cultivators that swear things like Texas orange-cap gives them better flushes coming from MS.

I like cloning because I can find a fruit I like, clean it up on agar and then make LC with it so I know for the most part my LC is clean and something I want.

Some varieties that have desirable characteristics can really only be had from vendors in swab form and some people have a hard time having those germinate so after doing all the agar work it makes sense to me to start cloning the fruits to keep the culture going as it's a shortcut at that point. My two cents.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: A.k.a]
    #26996639 - 10/21/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

They pinned fairly similar to other strains I have tried.
Maybe 3 weeks to a month from putting the grain and substrate together.

Do you think it could be something else than APE ??


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Psychonotistery]
    #26996654 - 10/21/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone here that regularly makes syringes? Ever had one variety's spores clump no matter what? Like when I make texas orange cap spore syringes, the spores are evenly distributed in the water/glycerin solution, and the solution takes on a purplish dark tone. But when I make AA+ syringes, the spores clump in the water, stick to the side of the glass, and don't evenly disperse in the water. The resulting syringes look empty compared to my TOC.

I print the caps for 24 hours and dry them for 24 hours before folding them. Not sure why one variety's spores mix well but anothers does not. Anyone got any insight?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26996678 - 10/21/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Munchauzen didn't people use a surfactant in MS syringes once upon awhile ago to prevent clumping/sticking on glass?
Jet-Dry if I remember correctly.

Yeah just read it again in an older tek. 1 drop per 100ml to attempt to prevent clumping and sticking to the syringe barrel.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
    #26996745 - 10/21/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Got 9 bags of uncle bens (yes, I know that’s often frowned upon but I’m experimenting with many different teks/strains to see what they highest yield/potency/consistency is) and 7 lb of pasteurized substrate in the mail, if you were to take a wild guess what size mono tub should I get?


Also, will I have better yield layering, or mixing the substrate?





Can someone help me w this? Also what should I do when spores clump in syringe

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996780 - 10/21/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Munchauzen didn't people use a surfactant in MS syringes once upon awhile ago to prevent clumping/sticking on glass?
Jet-Dry if I remember correctly.

Yeah just read it again in an older tek. 1 drop per 100ml to attempt to prevent clumping and sticking to the syringe barrel.
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Never heard of jet dry being used. Only astroglide, which is why I have the glycerin. It's supposed to do just that. But it's obv not for my AA+ and my B+.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996785 - 10/21/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Munchauzen didn't people use a surfactant in MS syringes once upon awhile ago to prevent clumping/sticking on glass?
Jet-Dry if I remember correctly.

Yeah just read it again in an older tek. 1 drop per 100ml to attempt to prevent clumping and sticking to the syringe barrel.
Sometimes my brains good for something.



Never heard of jet dry being used. Only astroglide, which is why I have the glycerin. It's supposed to do just that by breaking the surface tension. But it's obv not for my AA+ and my B+.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
    #26996787 - 10/21/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Got 9 bags of uncle bens (yes, I know that’s often frowned upon but I’m experimenting with many different teks/strains to see what they highest yield/potency/consistency is) and 7 lb of pasteurized substrate in the mail, if you were to take a wild guess what size mono tub should I get?


Also, will I have better yield layering, or mixing the substrate?





Can someone help me w this? Also what should I do when spores clump in syringe




By uncle Ben's I'm assuming you are using rice. Are you using whole grain rice, brown rice, white rice, etc.? How do you plan on hydrating the rice? Have you ever prepped it before? Rice can turn into a mess real fast. You would be better off with popcorn if you cannot find anything better locally.

Edited by BrownBear (10/21/20 05:56 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26996793 - 10/21/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
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Munchauzen didn't people use a surfactant in MS syringes once upon awhile ago to prevent clumping/sticking on glass?
Jet-Dry if I remember correctly.

Yeah just read it again in an older tek. 1 drop per 100ml to attempt to prevent clumping and sticking to the syringe barrel.
Sometimes my brains good for something.



Never heard of jet dry being used. Only astroglide, which is why I have the glycerin. It's supposed to do just that by breaking the surface tension. But it's obv not for my AA+ and my B+.




Most of the threads on such things are fairly old. More recent questions about surfactants are just TCs saying not to bother with any of it because the spores get where they're going. Sorry friendo.
My genetics guy only uses distilled water from a jar he sterilizes and pours and never had much of a problem myself. The odd time they stick to the barrel and plunger I can dislodge them by flicking it.

I'm not sure what glue spores use to stick to surfaces but man is it strong enough to cling to a monotub side even when using the "Ladies Friend" setting on the showerhead. I can imagine once a clump is a clump breaking it up would be hard to do.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996802 - 10/21/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Been here since page 5, in here at 2000. Nice.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #26996805 - 10/21/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

what is the significance of grass seed these days? do we use it as grain,
do we ever actually plant grass in a mushroom grow?


has anyone actually tested using grass to create microclimate?

https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/ba9tf6/planting_grass_in_your_casing/

You could just case it with coir and let the grass grow on top of mycelium,
how would that be any different to adding coir or peat on top of the mycelium?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrownBear]
    #26996809 - 10/21/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Iambrownbear said:
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Got 9 bags of uncle bens (yes, I know that’s often frowned upon but I’m experimenting with many different teks/strains to see what they highest yield/potency/consistency is) and 7 lb of pasteurized substrate in the mail, if you were to take a wild guess what size mono tub should I get?


Also, will I have better yield layering, or mixing the substrate?





Can someone help me w this? Also what should I do when spores clump in syringe




By uncle Ben's I'm assuming you are using rice. Are you using whole grain rice, brown rice, white rice, etc.? How do you plan on hydrating the rice? Have you ever prepped it before? Rice can turn into a mess real fast. You would be better off with popcorn if you cannot find anything better locally.




He's using that Uncle Bens tek stuff where they inoculate sterile hydrated brown rice packages meant to be microwaved. The contents of each package weigh 250g pre-hydrated. So 2,250g of it. Assuming all packages survive that's around 5lbs

So I am gonna do stupid napkin math. The Sterlite monos that are most common are what, 1 650g brick of coco coir give or take? So bodmath is coir weightx5 = water required to hydrate it to field capacity or abouts. So 3250g of water + 650g is 3900g. Which is about 8.5lbs

So if nothing fucks up you have ~5lbs of spawn to ~7lbs of substrate which I mean is pretty close to being able to 1:1 a 66qt sterlite . If I was doing this though doing that uncle bens stuff I'd do two or three mini monos depending on how I could stretch it. Just me though, not all of my eggs in one basket with that stuff. Pastywhyte one of the TCs who knows his shit has a good tek for Mini Monotubs.

Could do a whole pile of shoeboxes too if you're looking to stretch what you have into yield. More surface area more better.

I apologize if my math is off I'm not a mathamagician. See if this needs correcting before you listen to me.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996819 - 10/21/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Whats up with the brown stripe down the stems? These are B+.



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Doctor Mario]
    #26996852 - 10/21/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen ppl say it's over hydration. I think it's just a thing that happens sometimes and pay it no mind.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26996889 - 10/21/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Can a mod finally delete the damn uncle ben's tek?? I swear it's a brown stain on your boards. I would love to have a huge vote to see if we can vote off the uncle ben's tek. Also to have a sticky where it says if you bought a kit here is what you do. I mean these guys would have better luck doing my old oven tek. Grain jars fill with over hydrated grain put in oven at 260° for 4 hours then knock them up like my baby daddy did to me lol. And it had a 70% success rate!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: starbones]
    #26996926 - 10/21/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, I’ll have to take this into consideration. I had 5 shoeboxes of the stuff going last month, did not use enough myc (1 pack per box) got a couple zips. The myc is already ready to go. Think I might try the 66 quart here, it’s tempting.


And trippy times, what’s up w/ the uncle Ben hate? Just curious. I know that this isn’t popular in the community and am a noob wondering why. The first time I used ryeberries and compost, just trying other methods.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: trippytimes]
    #26996927 - 10/21/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Easy enough to scroll past it and not let it bother you is all. You choose what you eat off the plate of life.
I tried it, was not for me. Not something I tell others to try. If someone else obtains good fruits and can trip good for them. I think if they've come to this forum they've started down a good path imho.

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