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Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa
#26995732 - 10/21/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello all,
I have recently started experimenting with DMT extraction. However, I do not need freebase DMT as I want to dissolve it in alcohol anyways and infuse it in a herbal mixture to created Changa.
Saying this I came across this Tek to extract the spice straight into alcohol: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4119
My idea is now to soak the MHRB in 99.8% food grade ethanol that I have at home. Then filter out the MHRB, evaoprate down the ehtanol with the Changa herbs in it already. If the Tek works as described, it should yield a very nice changa blend straight from the MHRB.
One concern could be that the "straight-to-alcohol-Tek" extracts other alkaloids and plant materials besides the DMT (which then end up in the Changa). However, I dont think that should be a problem. Not much different from a traditional Ayahuasca brew where you boil and boil for hours and get all plant ingredients out.
Any thoughts on this? anyone who has tried this before?
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: goupoboy]
#26996087 - 10/21/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you tried changa before? It's probably the least eventful way to use DMT. It's just an intermediate form for people that can't follow tek instructions to get clean crystal. Not sure why you're wanting to make it but experiment away. You would still need a base or the alcohol would collect the DMT in its natural salt form and not be smokable.
DMT extraction teks are already extremely simple and work well. Why experiment on something that will likely take longer and more effort because it's not the optimal solvent? You can go from bark to crystals in about 12 hrs with only 20 minutes hands-on work if you use naphtha, and it can be re-used.
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: goupoboy]
#26996212 - 10/21/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use an STB tek. To infuse it's just one step and insures complete and even infusion onto any smokable herb/smoking blend you like. Just dissolve the freebase in some kind of alcohol (everclear, 90% rubbing alcohol are my 2 I use) using only enough to wet the entire batch of dried smoking blend. Dissolve with heated alcohol 1st. Usually 5-10 secs in a microwave heats it enough. You could be safer and use a tap water hot bath tek. (I've been using straight Damiana and I have also used an herbal smoking blend but those can be pricey). I use 1 gram of DMT to 2-3 grams of smoking blend. Stir it up really well while wet and even if you don't get it exactly even (which is hard not to do) then when it's completely dry you can further grind it by hand or a grinder to mix it all together. You can also get a pretty accurate dose amount this way by weighing the final product and doing some simple math to get your desired dose.
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26996321 - 10/21/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Changa has more going on than pure smoked DMT, Harmalas are very important. A better way would probably be to make some DMT-infused herb (still need to use a base to freebase the DMT for smoking), and take the Harmalas orally, then smoke the DMT about an hour or so later. But smoked Harmalas are good too, i prefer smoked Rue seed though over smoked Harmala extract, it's a fuller experience, more plant-like, feels like it does when taking it orally, but because it's smoked it's more heady than full bodied like you'd get from taking it orally.
When i've made Changa, i used washing soda as the base and 99% iso alcohol, and the resulting reddish brown freebased oil was evaporated onto an herb and it worked like a charm. Cruder than pure DMT crystals, but works none the less, although with crystals it'd be easier to know the exact dosage.
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26996420 - 10/21/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know, but I was stating a "simplest tek" One could use a harmala smoking blend as well. I have found the DMT and herbal or just plain damiana to be most sufficient for me.
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: goupoboy]
#26997248 - 10/22/20 02:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks so much for your responses:
@Icon Yes I have had Changa before but never freebase. I liked the effects of changa and its smooth, pleasruable taste. Hence I am trying to make my own. Might try freebase as well at some point in future. When you mention "you can go from bark to crystals in about 12 hrs with only 20 minutes hands-on work" do you mean a polar/non-polar extraction like NoMans Tek?
@Sabnock I am aware I need an MAOI as well. I am going by Julian Palmers original Changa recipe and add 30% Caapi into the mix. According to his recipe you dont need a Harmala extract then and the 30% Caapi is enough to inhibit MAO. Also how does that Tek work that you describe with the washing soda and the 99% IPA?
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Re: Experiment - simplest Tek from MHRB to Changa [Re: goupoboy]
#26997379 - 10/22/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah using a Caapi leaf concentrate can be good, i've personally never done it but i have used plain leaf, i imagine the concentrate is better. If you have the option, definitely go for the actual plant, so Caapi leaf (or concentrate) or Rue seed, rather than Harmala extract. Harmala extract makes things feel more like isolated compounds, like Pharmahuasca for example, whereas the actual plants give things a much fuller kind of feeling and experience and is more plant-like. An example would be the Delta 8 THC i've heard about and tried recently, i find that pure Delta 8 or Delta 8 with terpenes is comparable to isolated Huasca extracts whereas if the Delta 8 is coated on some CBD flower, it makes it feel way closer to the actual Cannabis plant, same applies to anything when it's isolated compounds vs full spectrum plants. Although in the case of the Huasca, i feel like isolated DMT is fine, but what's important is the Harmala source, like Caapi leaf or Rue seed.
And for the tek i used, it was just something i threw together after doing some reading, but i would boil up the Mimosa root as if i'm making a brew, making sure to do a few boils on it, filtered/strained out the root pieces, reduced it down to as small of an amount of liquid as i could, once cooled to room temp i dried it up with some washing soda, scraped it up, put it into a jar, added 99% iso alcohol, sat the jar on a candle warmer with the lid off and stirred every so often until the iso alcohol had a nice yellow color to it, then i'd pour/filter it off and evaporate each pull in a dish in front of a fan, usually doing about 6 to 7 pulls just to make sure i got everything from the 100 grams of Mimosa. After all pulls were collected and evaporated, i redissolved the freebased reddish brown oil into some more 99% iso alcohol and then evaporated it all onto some herb. Crude, but definitely works.
You may try looking into pickling lime as the base, i've heard it may work better than washing soda.
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