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What's the Modern DMT Tek?
#26995474 - 10/20/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Howdy folks. Got some MHRB on the way for the first time, just wanted to ask what's the best extraction tek of the day? Still no man's STB? Hybrid salt? A/B? Lemme know.
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Can't personally vouch for if, but I just watched a YouTube video, GordoTech (GordoTek - can't remember the spelling), and it seemed pretty legit. Will try that next time I extract.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Staplerhead]
#26995875 - 10/21/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noman's is the easiest method, and the one I used.
You'll end up with...ehh, not the cleanest product but then subsequent washes will get your purity above 85-90%
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Nature boys STB. 1st and only one I've ever used. Works on powdered very well too. 1st pull
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Looks easy and solid. Is a plastic turkey baster ok with naphtha?
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There's some things I read that say yes, but I got the stainless steel one when I couldn't find a glass one. I am wary of plastic and naptha.
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Turkey basters in a "modern" tek... geez louise.
I'm running out of patience repeating it, but the Q21Q21 tek is the only tek that actually took all those dumb teks (gordo, natureboy, marsofold, lazyman, etc) and made thoughtful improvements to them in regards to tek safety, resource efficiency, and yield quality. Cyb's tek has good improvements too for ACRB.
If it's not Cyb's or Q21Q21 it's old and outdated.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Icon]
#26996797 - 10/21/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was looking at Cyb and might do that. I can't find pickling lime here so I'm using lye so no Q21Q21
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Icon]
#26996921 - 10/21/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Meh, you do it how you like and I will too. All is well friend. No need for any chiding.
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Got two pulls of STB sitting in the freezer now. I've got a third pull sitting in the mixing jar upstairs. May separate it out tonight or may let it sit overnight. You can't buy a turkey baster in this country so I got this cumbersome ass pipette from a lab store. Getting clean pulls was a pain and there's like 2 tiny ass drops of basic solution in pull 2. Is that gonna kill me? I'll post yields tomorrow after the precip.
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I've read it won't, but I wouldn't and don't have ANY, not one speck. I have used a baby dropper thing for medicine or ear drops, and that works great. It's small but it's glass. Cheers! Good luck. You can also transfer the clean into yet another jar and wipe out the lye solute. Wait 24 hours. I have waited 2-3 days before. I don't mind the bright yellow stuff though. Seems to be best.
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Alright I'll pick up one of those tomorrow and re x pull two. Learned a lot from this first run. Probably gonna do cyb salt tek for the other 50g of bark and compare yields. And tomorrow.... Off to the moon
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I did a bestine wash once. Got really white crystals, but lost almost half. I didn't notice much difference.
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First 2 pulls using stb on 200g mhrb
1.33g

.825g

Should end up with 3.5-4g total after a couple more pulls. Unless you're using acrb I really see no reason to use any of the more complicated, time consuming and expensive teks.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26998703 - 10/22/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I couldn't agree more. Great job!
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26998712 - 10/22/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How long do you let the naphtha sit? Do you just agitate and pull or let it soak?
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I do it as I have free time so I don't really stick to a strict time schedule but usually let it stay in there a day while agitating five or six times throughout and then waiting an hour or two for it to fully separate before pulling. I use a little more naphtha than recommended on my first couple pulls and then leave 25% or so just to make sure I don't get any of the base solution. Then for pull three and four I'll pull as much as I can cleanly then when I get the last little bit I'll inevitably get a little of the base solution so I'll put the last bit in a tall skinny test tube and let it separate again which makes it easier to get as much naphtha as possible. Doing it this way I get a little less on the first couple pulls than I would if I got all the naphtha but the third and fourth pulls make up for it and it saves me time overall. I figure it costs me about $10-15 and half an hour per gram to make.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26998798 - 10/22/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sweet. I put my pulls in a skinny bottle to make seperation easier. I peaked at the jars in the freezer and there are already crystals in the bottom. Real stoked to scrape em up tomorrow
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Double post sorry, how long do you leave it to freeze precip? The teks I read said 24 hours but I'm seeing three days and even up to a week.
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Yield increases longer you freeze precip from my exp. If I did it again I would probably do a week. Longest I did was three days with a less than adequate freezer and I probably only got about 60% yield of total
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: skOsH]
#26999877 - 10/23/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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12-24 hours. When the naphtha is clear it's done precipitating. Still cloudy, leave it.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: skOsH]
#26999882 - 10/23/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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First pull, 24 hours freeze precip. I don't think I did a good job agitating the jar the first time. Or maybe the bark is weak. Anyway, the rest of the varsol went into a baking dish with pull 2 and 3. I fan evaporated it for a while and now it's in the freezer until next week. Hoping that gives some better results. Should be enough to sample though
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Edited by Gastronomicus (10/23/20 03:29 PM)
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26999895 - 10/23/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: Should end up with 3.5-4g total after a couple more pulls. Unless you're using acrb I really see no reason to use any of the more complicated, time consuming and expensive teks.
I've been involved with extractions for over 15 years-- what he said is 100% correct. You're free to add steps if you want-- but in the end, STB with plain lye and naptha works 100% of the time.
The people that get dirty results are usually either using too much heat, or haven't based the water enough, or are re-using solvent too much.
Lye is cheap. Naptha is cheap. People have been getting ~2% and more out of average well-powdered bark for decades, so if you want simple and effective, that's your best bet.

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Looks clean though, nice job.
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coAsTal said: Lye is cheap. Naptha is cheap. People have been getting ~2% and more out of average well-powdered bark for decades, so if you want simple and effective, that's your best bet.
Getting 2% without cleaning it up means nothing though. The people looking for the cheapest ways are also too cheap to bother cleaning it even once. How much of an off-white yield is actually DMT? Even if it's only 50% DMT, you'd still have a powerful experience from smoking ~50mg and probably think it's just as good as pure stuff. Hence these never ending rumors.
And if you can simply load twice as much of the uncleaned DMT for the same experience, maybe cleaning it up isn't worth the effort. But I think doing it right from the start and getting less but at a higher quality does make some difference, at least psychologically. I'd rather have 1g of ultra-clear glistening diamonds than 5g of yellow wax shavings. It's not like weed where anyone would use it regularly so yielding high amounts isn't really that important. You're saving what, 25 cents per dose with an STB? At the cost of the environment and potentially your health. Some people may only do DMT 10 times in their life so congrats on saving $2.50. I'd rather my once in a lifetime sacraments be the best they can be.
STB only proliferates because DMT is illegal. If it were legal that shit would be the mexican brick weed of the crystal market.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Icon]
#27000199 - 10/23/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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White crystals are nice if you're showing off pictures online to get oohs and ahhs from random internet strangers but in my experience it's not necessary. I've spent the time to Re-X and get nice white crystals and in a blind test I don't think I could differentiate between the two based on the effects felt. I encourage everyone to try it both ways and judge for themselves but I'm perfectly happy with the results I get.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: Icon]
#27000204 - 10/23/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand the desire to go the extra mile. I've used several of the mentioned methods over the years, and in the end, never saw enough ROI to return to them. Totally support the tinkering spirit behind extracting every mg of spice possible though-- it's all about your time. If it's worth it to you to spend several extra hours to get, say, another hundred mg or two on top on the gram you already got in the first three or four pulls of something, then it's worth it to you-- no argument from me at all. If you then spend several more hours washing your hard-won 1.2 grams to get rid of every trace of the the faint yellow oil residue from the plant matter and maybe some of the oxidized DMT, leaving you a snow white 750mg masterpiece of pure crystal-- then once again, all power to you and your accomplishment. I've done that too. I think it's losing good DMT to the process... but pure is pure.
That said, just ensuring you have heavily based bark, clean naptha, and making sure you keep the based water out of the solvent when you freeze precip has produced nearly white crystal for me every single time-- and nobody would dare tell me my extractions are 50% impure garbage-- this is clean, nearly white crystal. I get solid yields like everyone else that isn't lazy or stupid-- the method isn't complex, and just works.
As you well know, there's never been any definitive/functional reason to remove the slight yellowing from an experiential standpoint-- as it doesn't hurt the experience to any measurable degree. Are there plant oils and oxidized DMT present-- sure. Still vapes tasty clean and powerful. I know the difference between clear-white DMT at 20mg and "standard" light yellow spice at 20mg-- it's there, I guess. But so what if it's, say, 5% or even 10% "impure". Can anyone ever tell the difference between 18mg and 20mg? These minor impurities just don't matter too much in the end.
But after saying all that, I still heartily support Cyb's salt ion tek, and all the others that are trying to help people truly maximize their extractions, because it's getting harder by the day to get MHRB (and more expensive!), and making every ounce you can get last counts a lot more today than it did 15 years ago. I also support the washing/refining methods out there for the purists, because it's very important to know how to clean your extractions regardless of how many times you choose to use the method.
In the end, we're all members of the same lucky family-- we know how wonderful DMT is. So I raise my GVG to all of you and say, hit it like you mean it
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: coAsTal]
#27000490 - 10/23/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well. I can safely confirm that that is in fact dmt. Cool. I've wanted to do that extraction since I was 16
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Interesting and timely thread. I have been looking towards DMT more and more these days. Once I've meditated on my fear of chemicals I will seriously consider having a go at extraction.
Not to highjack the thread, but does the powered root keep well? I'd like to buy it and have it stored away for when I am ready.
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Re: What's the Modern DMT Tek? [Re: coversall] 1
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Store it in bell/mason jars in a cool dark place.
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tyrannicalrex said: Store it in bell/mason jars in a cool dark place.
Definitely the best way. I store mine in a freezer ziplock bag. Works fine too
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Last update.
Pulls 2 and 3 went much better. I let them freeze precip for 4 days. Total yield was ~600 mg from 50g bark. Need to buy a .01 scale though. Thanks everyone who commented. Here's some porn
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