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Putting fine sand in grain spawn?
    #26994770 - 10/20/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So I had an idea. I was wondering if I put a small amount of fine sand in with grain spawn, if it would aid in keeping grain from sticking together. What do you all think? Im going to try it either way and will report back but I also like to learn what others think.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26994798 - 10/20/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What about gypsum?


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #26994801 - 10/20/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Prep the grains correctly and they wont stick.

Either your overhydrating and they burst releasing sticky starch or your loading wet as f.

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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: mushboy]
    #26995191 - 10/20/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Im not having trouble with my grain. Been doing this for quite a while now. What I am seeking is to make a spawn that is a little more noob proof.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: mushboy]
    #26995209 - 10/20/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

finding0 said:
What I am seeking is to make a spawn that is a little more noob proof.



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mushboy said:
Prep the grains correctly and they wont stick.

Either your overhydrating and they burst releasing sticky starch or your loading wet as f.




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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: Mateja]
    #26995227 - 10/20/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

weighing out everything and following a proven tek is pretty noob proof. maybe someone fucks up the first few tries:shrug:

following the directions is the hard part. making the directions noob proof?:awesomenod:

adding unnecessary crutches?
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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995231 - 10/20/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Im not having trouble with my grain. Been doing this for quite a while now. What I am seeking is to make a spawn that is a little more noob proof.




I use gypsum

I have gotten much better at drying my grains, I use window screens and fans to get them dry faster, but I still add gypsum 'cause it doesn't hurt

You should try the sand and post your results here. People that just say "dry your grains right" annoy me. I'd be interested in seeing what kinds of results you get


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: meowjinx]
    #26995265 - 10/20/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you, the gypsum is an idea. I also feel the same. I have 300lbs if grain, it doesn't hurt to do some experimenting


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995285 - 10/20/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think across the board people don't find Gypsum to contribute any noticeable benefits. I think its kind of an additive from the older heads that was determined to be non-essential.

I am curious though if you have been in the hobby for a long time why would you want to add extra steps? correct amount of water + correct amount of grain and PC for 65-90min what exactly are you trying to streamline/modify?

Experimentation is dope though!


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26995333 - 10/20/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I like to try things others havnt. Always have and it has lead to me being the unique individual I am. I believe people who only do what others have done before them will rarely find something new for them self or the world.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995412 - 10/20/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You're right about your individuality and ingenuity and all that but in reality you're trying to invent a motorized wehicle for toddlers that haven't learned how to walk yet. You're not teaching anyone how to walk no matter how ingenious your handicap wheelchair might turn out :shrug: and not trying to be mean lol just stating my view on this after extremely rarely encountering someone that hasn't learned how to prep grain after a few tries :bongload:


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: Mateja]
    #26995451 - 10/20/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said, I have 300lbs of grain an db plenty of free time. I don't care if it seems pointless in your eyes. What I care about is finding nee things. Maybe some intentional and some unintentional. Like perhaps some sand could make a more efficient air exchange between grains.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995456 - 10/20/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Do it.. report back the pros and cons.  No reason to fight ‘bout it. I experiment all the time.. shits fun.  Especially if, like you say, you have the time and supplies.  What if someone told Mateah he shouldn’t make coir pf cakes?  He’d do it anyway.

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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: fahtster]
    #26995472 - 10/20/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To answer your results it does help it dry a little the heat from the sand being pc helps it evaporate. But the jars take forever to cool because the heat transfer also very hard to shake because wet sand clumps up and since it's heavy it likes to settle to the bottom of the jar when shake a few times. As for colonization times I didn't see any difference not even slightly mycelium really does not like rocks.... I have also tryed it in substrate now I will say adding half a qt to a qt. Does help with holding water and can make ways for the myco to grow. I will have to check out my old phone to see if I have pics. I did 6 jars of each and 1 tub for a total of 12 jars and 2 tubs. if not I have a bunch of LC I can run this test for you real quickly since I have 16 jars cooling and 2000ml of LC of the same isolate.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: trippytimes]
    #26995501 - 10/20/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Do you feel it did more harm than good for the spawn


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995516 - 10/20/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like it did nothing. Tbh it had no nutritional value. It just settled at the bottom of my jars when you shake them. I will help you and run a test tommorow I will get 10 more jars done I will prep them and throw 1/2 a cup per jar and see what happens when I squirt 15ml of lc per jar. Will take pics. All it really did was make my jars way more heavy then regular. But then again it's been 3 years since iv tryed it maybe I missed something hmmm.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: finding0]
    #26995609 - 10/21/20 01:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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I don't care if it seems pointless in your eyes. What I care about is finding nee things. Like perhaps some sand could make a more efficient air exchange between grains.



This is my point. You're trying to put legs on a snake. I can assure you that there is no 'chronic grain prep failure' affecting anyone so far ime. And also 'insufficient gas exchange' inbetween grains isn't even a thing so what's there to fix? I never think experiments are pointless there's always a lesson there, I admire your passion about wanting to innovate or solve some cultivation problem I'm rooting for you all the way :super:

You know what's funny? A few hours before you posted this thread I was in the middle of doing an experiment about almost exactly what you're talking about. I ended up mixing 500ml of hydrated coir with 1000ml prepped grain before loading into jars. This grain prep is mostly burst, over cooked, over hydrated and sprouting rye grains. I rinsed off as much sticky gunk and particles as I could so that it was mostly just burst grain and starch lol. I have to say I felt pretty good about the mix, imma shoot it up with a LC as soon as the jars have cooled. Im curious to see if LC will colonise overly hydrated grain easier than perfectly prepped ones :bongload:


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: Mateja]
    #26995646 - 10/21/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It definitely will.. that starch really kicks growth into high gear.. I prep my grains on the burst side for that reason.. my 5ml glc was ready to shake in 4 days.. you zoom in on this



And there’s plenty of burst grains..  any time I hydrated to where there was very little burst grains, it was much slower.. especially towards the end of colonization

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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: fahtster]
    #26996868 - 10/21/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:takingnotes:

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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: Mateja]
    #26997082 - 10/21/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nice you're experimenting,  and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade,  but putting fine, super dense particles in between grains will in no way "increase air exchange."  It will literally do the opposite.  Hope it works out for you in some way though.


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Re: Putting fine sand in grain spawn? [Re: alaskappalachian]
    #26997091 - 10/21/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also @fahtster and mateah: totally agree on the starchy,  slightly overcooked grains kicking off fast and growing fast.  Started noticing that with some of my neglectful wbs preps and now making it habit.  :thumbup:  Made me re-approach my barley prep as well.  Also been not rinsing my wbr I ran like 20 lbs of recently (lent out both pressure cookers to people for food prep for the next two weeks)and that starch is gold.  Still can shake it just fine but perfect for fast growth (and especially fast takeoff from both agar and lc/li.


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