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Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline?
    #26994055 - 10/20/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all

So the time for my annual candyflip is coming up but there seems to be an acid drought where I live at the moment, sadly. So I'm thinking of potential backup plans...

I have access to mescaline – I was wondering if anyone has done a cactus flip or whatever it's called, and how this compares to candyflipping?

Suggestions for other alternatives are welcome as well, given I can locate the ingredients :grin:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26994700 - 10/20/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am curious to know this as well.  I wouldn't overdo it as they are similar drugs (phenethylamine).  Mescaline is very pleasant so in some ways there is less of a need for it.

Please try it and report back.  Inquiring minds want to know.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #26994702 - 10/20/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also I think this needs a name and I suggest "cactus flip".


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX] * 1
    #26994747 - 10/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Extaline?
Mesctasy?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26995879 - 10/21/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: skOsH]
    #26995905 - 10/21/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have done 2cb with mdma as an appetizer and found it better than the two alone. I haven't done mescaline but I would think the longer duration of the mescaline needs to be considered. You will be tripping longer than you will be rolling, personally I enjoy rolling at the start so I am feeling warm and euphoric when the trip starts hitting good.

What about a hippie flip (mushrooms or other tryptamine and mdma)? 

I find the time lines of those two line up better. I have done mdma and 4acodmt several times and it is a fun combo. I have done shrooms and mdma or adderall (amphetamine) a number of times as well. Probably one of my favorite concert combos.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26997004 - 10/21/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Extaline?
Mesctasy?




Those aren't bad.

MDCA?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: skOsH]
    #26997005 - 10/21/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good




What mg amounts are you talking about (assuming you measured it)?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26997007 - 10/21/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I have done 2cb with mdma as an appetizer and found it better than the two alone. I haven't done mescaline but I would think the longer duration of the mescaline needs to be considered. You will be tripping longer than you will be rolling, personally I enjoy rolling at the start so I am feeling warm and euphoric when the trip starts hitting good.

What about a hippie flip (mushrooms or other tryptamine and mdma)? 

I find the time lines of those two line up better. I have done mdma and 4acodmt several times and it is a fun combo. I have done shrooms and mdma or adderall (amphetamine) a number of times as well. Probably one of my favorite concert combos.




I would love to but I was quite a late starter on the shroom season and they are sadly now all gone.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX] * 1
    #26997011 - 10/21/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like mescaline is ecstacy enough as it is where mixing it might be pointless compared to a candyflip it gives an entire different dimension too.  As well, I noticed mescaline and K do not mix well at the levels LSD and ketamine work beautifuly together.

Especially with the timeline of mescaline, I feel you'd have to take a few boosters.  Maybe some MDMA like 5 hours in, then some more 8 hours in, then maybe some more around 10 hours in unless the mescaline dose is small.

MDMA and 2CB go well together, maybe check erowid if anyone has combined mescaline and mdma alone and see what happned?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26997040 - 10/21/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I have done cactus tar a few times and it seemed to have a glowing X type feeling.:heart: it!


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26997266 - 10/22/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nah I dont see a point in that. mesc has a mdma type glow to the experience if you have good potent mesc. I do see adding another psychedelic into the picture a good option though :awecid:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Blazer420]
    #26997749 - 10/22/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. It did feel a bit like mdma at times. I have my tar pellets ready actually and am planning a journey soon. I say journey because it is one, lol! I will smoke some weed with it too. I like to smoke weed while tripping.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #26997980 - 10/22/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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skOsH said:
It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good




What mg amounts are you talking about (assuming you measured it)?




Oh I have no idea how much it was...I did not measure it I was just given it. The MDMA probably wasn't MDMA since this was when the internet was really new and I had no idea where to get test kits. I wouldn't try too much mescaline it can get weird, even with MDMA, you might wonder where your mind is


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26998071 - 10/22/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm curious about this topic because mescaline is already well known to have some MDMA like effects. I'd be worried about overdoing it. But then again some people take massive doses of MDMA and they seem alright, so it's probably fine. The other problem is that mescaline lasts so long and MDMA is over so quickly that unless you did a TON of redosing, you might run into some problems. But then again because mescaline has some MDMA like effects, maybe coming down from MDMA while on mescaline wouldn't be so bad...

Anyway, I'd be curious to hear some first hand experiences.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: nooneman]
    #27001243 - 10/24/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, you guys have given me much to think about. The consensus seems to be that the synergy won't be as great as a candyflip because phens are more like mdma than lysergamides/trypts, so it may just be more kind of additive/redundant than anything else.

I did consider a hippy flip, but mushrooms tend to be unpredictable for me and usually demand their own space (i.e. not liking to be mixed with other things). If i do go this route i'd probs have to dose the mdma on the mush comedown, if things are going well by that stage. The plus side of this is that it doesn't become a whole day affair (and recovery) like lsd or mesc.

I have had positive experiences mixing mesc and mushrooms before though. Another consideration is taking mesc early in the day (like soon after waking up), then taking a not-too-intense dose of mushrooms later after the nausea phase, and then dropping the mdma just post mushroom peak. This may be too many things going on in my brain though, and I'm wary of becoming overstimulated and having a bad time.

Maybe I should just obsess less about this whole endevour :lol:, but it's just so nice to cut loose and bring in the new year on a high point with some mdma. It's a once a year thing for me so would like to make it special you know. In any case, maybe the acid gods will bless us with a miracle and supplies will kick up again around the holidays


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #27001429 - 10/24/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Low dose mushrooms + low dose cactus is an awesome combo. Mescaline is dominant, mushrooms help potentiate and get the visions flowing. Totally different than mushrooms alone.

Can’t comment on mixing cactus with mdma though.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: drr]
    #27030205 - 11/09/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Bringing this thread back to life.  I have a music festival this weekend (no covid here) so still debating what to journey on.  I am a little scared off the MDMA after watching some vids on it and reading up about neurotoxicity.  That brings me back to the mescaline (cactus extract).  I have done this a couple of times how and worth noting that the last time did have a mini mdma like comedown for a couple of days after.  It's a fun time but not as visual as the tryptamines, not as euphoric as MDMA and I am not sure if it's quite the dance enabler that I need.

I am thinking of 500mg cactus extract and 50mg mdma.  Based on what I have read it's high doses and the modern day high dose synthetic mdma thats causing the most damage so I am wondering if 50mg will add a edge to my night while avoiding the high does problem.

It's a 5pm to 10am the next day affair so I am thinking of taking the cactus extract when I get there, then the MDMA two or three hours later when the party is cranking.

Advice is appreciated.
Additional question.  The media talks a lot about synthetic MDMA.  Is that PMP\PMMP or is there actual synthetic MDMA floating around?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #27030518 - 11/09/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

From what I understand the neurotoxicity thing is a bit of drug war propaganda based off a flawed study where rats were given ungodly doses. But don't trust my words, dancesafe has a good write up I would trust.
https://dancesafe.org/drug-information/is-mdma-neurotoxic

In regards to your flip. 50mg is my dose as 185lb male when combined with other phenelethylemines (2cb), i go up to 75mg with tryptamines


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27030872 - 11/09/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
From what I understand the neurotoxicity thing is a bit of drug war propaganda based off a flawed study where rats were given ungodly doses. But don't trust my words, dancesafe has a good write up I would trust.
https://dancesafe.org/drug-information/is-mdma-neurotoxic

In regards to your flip. 50mg is my dose as 185lb male when combined with other phenelethylemines (2cb), i go up to 75mg with tryptamines




Thanks for your useful info.  Regarding my MDMA induced paranoia I am watching PsychedSubstance on youtube which has a lot of first hand information.  I will read the dance safe info.  It's a dam shame it's not harmless and it's also a dam shame that I can't source LSD as thats basically the buzz I am looking for.


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