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Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline?
    #26994055 - 10/20/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all

So the time for my annual candyflip is coming up but there seems to be an acid drought where I live at the moment, sadly. So I'm thinking of potential backup plans...

I have access to mescaline – I was wondering if anyone has done a cactus flip or whatever it's called, and how this compares to candyflipping?

Suggestions for other alternatives are welcome as well, given I can locate the ingredients :grin:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26994700 - 10/20/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am curious to know this as well.  I wouldn't overdo it as they are similar drugs (phenethylamine).  Mescaline is very pleasant so in some ways there is less of a need for it.

Please try it and report back.  Inquiring minds want to know.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #26994702 - 10/20/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Also I think this needs a name and I suggest "cactus flip".


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX] * 1
    #26994747 - 10/20/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Extaline?
Mesctasy?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26995879 - 10/21/20 07:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: skOsH]
    #26995905 - 10/21/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have done 2cb with mdma as an appetizer and found it better than the two alone. I haven't done mescaline but I would think the longer duration of the mescaline needs to be considered. You will be tripping longer than you will be rolling, personally I enjoy rolling at the start so I am feeling warm and euphoric when the trip starts hitting good.

What about a hippie flip (mushrooms or other tryptamine and mdma)? 

I find the time lines of those two line up better. I have done mdma and 4acodmt several times and it is a fun combo. I have done shrooms and mdma or adderall (amphetamine) a number of times as well. Probably one of my favorite concert combos.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26997004 - 10/21/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Extaline?
Mesctasy?




Those aren't bad.

MDCA?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: skOsH]
    #26997005 - 10/21/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good




What mg amounts are you talking about (assuming you measured it)?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26997007 - 10/21/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I have done 2cb with mdma as an appetizer and found it better than the two alone. I haven't done mescaline but I would think the longer duration of the mescaline needs to be considered. You will be tripping longer than you will be rolling, personally I enjoy rolling at the start so I am feeling warm and euphoric when the trip starts hitting good.

What about a hippie flip (mushrooms or other tryptamine and mdma)? 

I find the time lines of those two line up better. I have done mdma and 4acodmt several times and it is a fun combo. I have done shrooms and mdma or adderall (amphetamine) a number of times as well. Probably one of my favorite concert combos.




I would love to but I was quite a late starter on the shroom season and they are sadly now all gone.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX] * 1
    #26997011 - 10/21/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like mescaline is ecstacy enough as it is where mixing it might be pointless compared to a candyflip it gives an entire different dimension too.  As well, I noticed mescaline and K do not mix well at the levels LSD and ketamine work beautifuly together.

Especially with the timeline of mescaline, I feel you'd have to take a few boosters.  Maybe some MDMA like 5 hours in, then some more 8 hours in, then maybe some more around 10 hours in unless the mescaline dose is small.

MDMA and 2CB go well together, maybe check erowid if anyone has combined mescaline and mdma alone and see what happned?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26997040 - 10/21/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I have done cactus tar a few times and it seemed to have a glowing X type feeling.:heart: it!


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26997266 - 10/22/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Nah I dont see a point in that. mesc has a mdma type glow to the experience if you have good potent mesc. I do see adding another psychedelic into the picture a good option though :awecid:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Blazer420]
    #26997749 - 10/22/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. It did feel a bit like mdma at times. I have my tar pellets ready actually and am planning a journey soon. I say journey because it is one, lol! I will smoke some weed with it too. I like to smoke weed while tripping.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #26997980 - 10/22/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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It's very enjoyable. A very chill experience. I would highly recommend it.

Although it was weird coming down, I couldn't smoke enough cigarettes to cope with the MDMA crash, haha. That was back when I did smoke cigs though.

It's a good time, just don't overdo either of the two and you'll be good




What mg amounts are you talking about (assuming you measured it)?




Oh I have no idea how much it was...I did not measure it I was just given it. The MDMA probably wasn't MDMA since this was when the internet was really new and I had no idea where to get test kits. I wouldn't try too much mescaline it can get weird, even with MDMA, you might wonder where your mind is


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26998071 - 10/22/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm curious about this topic because mescaline is already well known to have some MDMA like effects. I'd be worried about overdoing it. But then again some people take massive doses of MDMA and they seem alright, so it's probably fine. The other problem is that mescaline lasts so long and MDMA is over so quickly that unless you did a TON of redosing, you might run into some problems. But then again because mescaline has some MDMA like effects, maybe coming down from MDMA while on mescaline wouldn't be so bad...

Anyway, I'd be curious to hear some first hand experiences.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: nooneman]
    #27001243 - 10/24/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, you guys have given me much to think about. The consensus seems to be that the synergy won't be as great as a candyflip because phens are more like mdma than lysergamides/trypts, so it may just be more kind of additive/redundant than anything else.

I did consider a hippy flip, but mushrooms tend to be unpredictable for me and usually demand their own space (i.e. not liking to be mixed with other things). If i do go this route i'd probs have to dose the mdma on the mush comedown, if things are going well by that stage. The plus side of this is that it doesn't become a whole day affair (and recovery) like lsd or mesc.

I have had positive experiences mixing mesc and mushrooms before though. Another consideration is taking mesc early in the day (like soon after waking up), then taking a not-too-intense dose of mushrooms later after the nausea phase, and then dropping the mdma just post mushroom peak. This may be too many things going on in my brain though, and I'm wary of becoming overstimulated and having a bad time.

Maybe I should just obsess less about this whole endevour :lol:, but it's just so nice to cut loose and bring in the new year on a high point with some mdma. It's a once a year thing for me so would like to make it special you know. In any case, maybe the acid gods will bless us with a miracle and supplies will kick up again around the holidays


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #27001429 - 10/24/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Low dose mushrooms + low dose cactus is an awesome combo. Mescaline is dominant, mushrooms help potentiate and get the visions flowing. Totally different than mushrooms alone.

Can’t comment on mixing cactus with mdma though.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: drr]
    #27030205 - 11/09/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Bringing this thread back to life.  I have a music festival this weekend (no covid here) so still debating what to journey on.  I am a little scared off the MDMA after watching some vids on it and reading up about neurotoxicity.  That brings me back to the mescaline (cactus extract).  I have done this a couple of times how and worth noting that the last time did have a mini mdma like comedown for a couple of days after.  It's a fun time but not as visual as the tryptamines, not as euphoric as MDMA and I am not sure if it's quite the dance enabler that I need.

I am thinking of 500mg cactus extract and 50mg mdma.  Based on what I have read it's high doses and the modern day high dose synthetic mdma thats causing the most damage so I am wondering if 50mg will add a edge to my night while avoiding the high does problem.

It's a 5pm to 10am the next day affair so I am thinking of taking the cactus extract when I get there, then the MDMA two or three hours later when the party is cranking.

Advice is appreciated.
Additional question.  The media talks a lot about synthetic MDMA.  Is that PMP\PMMP or is there actual synthetic MDMA floating around?


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #27030518 - 11/09/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

From what I understand the neurotoxicity thing is a bit of drug war propaganda based off a flawed study where rats were given ungodly doses. But don't trust my words, dancesafe has a good write up I would trust.
https://dancesafe.org/drug-information/is-mdma-neurotoxic

In regards to your flip. 50mg is my dose as 185lb male when combined with other phenelethylemines (2cb), i go up to 75mg with tryptamines


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #27030872 - 11/09/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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From what I understand the neurotoxicity thing is a bit of drug war propaganda based off a flawed study where rats were given ungodly doses. But don't trust my words, dancesafe has a good write up I would trust.
https://dancesafe.org/drug-information/is-mdma-neurotoxic

In regards to your flip. 50mg is my dose as 185lb male when combined with other phenelethylemines (2cb), i go up to 75mg with tryptamines




Thanks for your useful info.  Regarding my MDMA induced paranoia I am watching PsychedSubstance on youtube which has a lot of first hand information.  I will read the dance safe info.  It's a dam shame it's not harmless and it's also a dam shame that I can't source LSD as thats basically the buzz I am looking for.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #27034552 - 11/12/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

As far as I understand the main risks with MDMA are 1) overexerting yourself and 2) improper hydration while rolling. That is if you're taking a sane dose of course. Super high doses are bad for you and chronic dosing is also not good.

Basically if you're diligent with taking anti-oxidants, drinking enough water (but not too much, remember electrolytes) and making sure your body heat doesn't go too high while rolling you'll be golden.

Also of course depends on the quality of what you have. Like in MDMA-assisted therapy they use super pure stuff and the side effects are minimal with proper pre- and after-care.

I haven't heard anything about synthetic MDMA though, sounds like potentially bad news. Best test your stuff well before use


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #27034754 - 11/12/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I did a regent test and it came out good which builds a lot of confidence.  If I go for just the MDMA I am thinking 100mg with a 50mg redose 2 hours later.  I am 209lb.  I have supplements etc.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #27035037 - 11/12/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

MDMA does not occure naturally, though it must always be made in a lab.

There are precoursors found in nature, like safrole in nutmeg. Most MDMA these days is made from this oil, it's the easiest route.

Maybe the synthetic MDMA you talk about is made completly in a lab, so no safrole as a precursor. I guess it can be made this way, but I'm no chemist. It would be a lot more work though.

But in the end MDMA is MDMA, no matter which way it was produced. Synthetic or semi-synthetic, you cannot tell a difference in the effects. :shrug:

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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #27035276 - 11/12/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I also don't know enough to comment on the chemistry side of things, but if the reagent test was ok then maybe it's good and genuine? Does it look like brownish/amber crystals? Afaik that's what normal non-pressed MDMA looks like. The dose you mentioned is pretty standard, when I dosed that amount in the past it was a good roll with not too bad aftereffects from following all the proper harm reduction measures etc.

By the way I'm sure PsychedSubstance's info is legit but for some reason I can't take him seriously haha, so I'd recommend this channel for good unbiased info before diving into a substance:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #27037991 - 11/14/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok here is my trip report.

Off I went on friday.  Weather was good which is always nice.

It wasn't big, about 100 people.  It was almost exactly the same scene as it was last time I went to one of these 15 years ago.  Mostly scruffy middle class white kids.  One Spanish couple in a camper van.  Two gay German dudes in another van.  No patched gang members, no dubious looking dudes, no visible security.  Everyone was just there to vibe with the music.  Ticket price was $20.

The only drugs I saw was alcohol and cannabis.  Nobody was horribly out of control or agro and I didn't see anyone smoking meth which was nice.

The music kicked off at 8 starting with the least amazing dj.  I took my cactus extract (500mg).  Worth noting that it's not necessary pure mescaline so the exact dosage is defiantly a percentage of that.  I decided I wanted that as the longer base and hopefully more psychedelic experience and then add in the mdma.

By 10:30 I could tell the trip wasn't super strong and I added in the 50mg of mdma.  I knew it made more sense to take the bigger dose first but start low and go slow as they say.

By midnight things were going amazing.  It was described as full noise Psy trance.  Whatever machine they used for the music laid down a strong 180bpm base beat for the full 12 hours and then the dj added several more layers of sound.  The dance floor was filled with a mismatched collection of white dudes with dreadlocks, scruffy kids with long hair and millennials out to party.  The spanish couple and the gay germans mixed in there somewhere.

Weed was everywhere.  I don't think there was a point in the night were I couldn't smell it.  Someone brought their bong onto the dance floor.  Every once and a while someone would hand a pre rolled joint to the dj.

At midnight I decided that the 50mg of mdma wasn't quite enough so added in the other 100mg.  That definitely increased the muscle trembles and jaw grinding.  This wasn't quite the life changing loved up experience I had three months ago but was the more amphetamine version of the experience.  This did allow me to dance which was nice.  Being middle aged and wise I brought comply foam sonic filters which allowed me to get up close to the music and vibe right into it while protecting what hearing I have left.  At point I crashed into someone on the dance floor and all they did was hug me.

By the time the sun came up along the beach the dance floor had thinned out.  Spanish couple still going at it.  Dolphins were swimming in the ocean.  At dawn a big line of people sitting along the beach smoking joints and bongs formed as everyone watched the sun come up.

I pulled out at 8:30 am.  Making coffee and chilling on a comfy chair sounded tempting but I chose to avoid caffeine and head home for the recovery snooze.  Two melatonin and snooze I did waking up at 5pm.

All in all it was very life affirming.  Good to know the scene still exists and is still PLUR.  Humans are amazing, psytrance is amazing.  The whole experience was entrancing which I guess is the point.

Regarding the flip, next time I would skip the combo as I don't think it added together in a complementary way.  I would just do the 100mg + 50mg MDMA.


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: SpacedX]
    #27038278 - 11/14/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like it was a great time! A bong on the dancefloor is always an auspicious omen :biggrin:

From your report and from what I've read elsewhere it seems like the mesc + MDMA combo is definitely nice, but not a once-in-a-lifetime kind of spectacular event. I think I'll def try it at least once at some point before I die, but won't make a big thing out of it beforehand like with the new year's roll. I think the setting also plays a big part, like being outside at an event with a good vibe like you were at is probs an ideal place to do it.

Thanks again, stay safe out there :nyan:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist] * 2
    #27137327 - 01/09/21 10:15 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

Just thought I'd update this for posterity's sake.

I ended up combining mescaline and MDMA on new year's day. Set and setting weren't ideal but it was my only window to do it for the foreseeable future, so i just went ahead come what may.

It turned out to be one of those "not what I wanted but what I needed" kind of trips. The mescaline turned things much more towards a teaching/insight vibe than the usual "party-time" euphoria that a comes with a candyflip. It could also have been because so much happened in 2020 in my life and I'm in a period of transition at the moment, so when the drugs kicked in my brain was like: ok man - party later, reflect on your life now. More than other psychedelics even, I find MDMA helps me look at reality without any fear whatsoever, so it's easy to thoroughly investigate any issues I'm carrying and work out what needs to be done. Came out of the trip with a written doc of things I need to work on in 2021, and what I need to do to close off a few things from last year. So it was quite beneficial in the end and I don't regret it. Comedown period was rough though.

In any case, I don't think I'll combine them again. I only do MDMA once a year basically for hedonistic purposes, so in future I'll just stick to candyflipping (if I can ever find some more acid).

Wishing you all a good 2021, stay safe out there :heart:


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Re: Has anyone flipped MDMA with Mescaline? [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #27181821 - 02/01/21 09:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Just thought I'd update this for posterity's sake.

I ended up combining mescaline and MDMA on new year's day. Set and setting weren't ideal but it was my only window to do it for the foreseeable future, so i just went ahead come what may.

It turned out to be one of those "not what I wanted but what I needed" kind of trips. The mescaline turned things much more towards a teaching/insight vibe than the usual "party-time" euphoria that a comes with a candyflip. It could also have been because so much happened in 2020 in my life and I'm in a period of transition at the moment, so when the drugs kicked in my brain was like: ok man - party later, reflect on your life now. More than other psychedelics even, I find MDMA helps me look at reality without any fear whatsoever, so it's easy to thoroughly investigate any issues I'm carrying and work out what needs to be done. Came out of the trip with a written doc of things I need to work on in 2021, and what I need to do to close off a few things from last year. So it was quite beneficial in the end and I don't regret it. Comedown period was rough though.

In any case, I don't think I'll combine them again. I only do MDMA once a year basically for hedonistic purposes, so in future I'll just stick to candyflipping (if I can ever find some more acid).

Wishing you all a good 2021, stay safe out there :heart:




Thanks for posting.  For reference, what were your doses?

The MAPS people describe MDMA as being like body armour.  It makes it safe to open up your box of problems and think about them.  I would also add that I think it expanded the maximum amount of love I can feel and showed me the power that that emotion can have.

I had some good insights while on mescaline in the woods.  I don't think it's possible to have an introspective experience at a party with loud music.  You need a quiet space for that.


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