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    #26992230 - 10/19/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26992246 - 10/19/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No. I did have HPPD to varying degrees for a while, but it went away. That just means I had some very light patterning, flowing and other minor visual symptoms like that for a while, but it went away. And that was only after fairly heavy use of a variety of RC psychedelics combined with an all day every day weed habit.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: nooneman]
    #26992924 - 10/19/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

bullshit becomes alarmingly apparent.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26992939 - 10/19/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I cannot stand cable news because it reeks of propaganda all day and all night basically.

Also, I have seemingly permanent visual enhancements of objects in my field of view. They're sort of like the super 3d television Linus from Linus Tech Tips showed off a bit...for instance, leaves on trees, I can see the detail on all sides of them as I pass them in a car...in a freaking car, yes, I still see more detail than I should. Also, colors are just permanently more vibrant, but only by a little bit. This isn't HPPD because nothing moves at all, it's just my eyes will take in the detail on the trees as I catch a glimpse of them

Also, light bending...moreso I can see optical illusions as illusions almost immediately, spatial awareness is a lot more comprehensive, and I have a very strong sense of what time it is, without looking at any clocks. I can also see reflections more easily, stuff that would normally not reflect much, I can now practically use it as a mirror, etc. Also being able to see light diffraction on roads so I know when the road dips or increases in grade way before I get to it.

That's about it.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26993044 - 10/19/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

naturally.

however the term permanent is not one I would apply:

After tripping, many visual artifacts are noticeable which were probably ignored since early childhood; some of these noticings may even persist for a few years - these are not necessarily new, but to the everyday mind they have become noticeable after the trip, but were not part of one's mental framework before.

Similarly after meditation (on the third eye location, for instance) the specific chakra area seems energized, activated, or stimulated for a while after, and is easily reactivated for a few hours afterwards. During meditation many interesting phenomena (associative distractions and even entities) are likely to appear as well.

Note: this does not in itself mean that any attainments have occurred, but the practice of awareness itself has so many benefits that accrue over time that it might seem that "your third eye has opened" or that some other metaphysical changes are afoot.

Similarly the use of psychedelic has many short term and long lasting merits without persisting changes in what you notice or what you ignore.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26993919 - 10/20/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26993941 - 10/20/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To me it sounds somewhat like (from various Buddhist traditions’ POV)

Nimittas- (Theravada / Thai Forest Tradition)
Makyo - (Mahayana / Rinzai & Soto Zen)
Magical Illusion / Maya - (Vajrayana / Dzogchen & Mahamudra)

Ex. Of how they speak of it (aforementioned Experiential phenomena)


The primordial nature of the mind
Is a spacious, sky-like state
Where primal wisdom is like sun and moon and stars.
And yet when there occurs within this womb of space—
The wondrous sphere of emptiness—
A state of ignorance, conceptualization, dualistic clinging,
The hallucinations of the three worlds
And the six migrations manifest
In the manner of a magical illusion.

They appear spontaneously, through the power
Of interdependent causes and conditions—
Just as when a piece of wood or little stone
Is conjured through an incantation
And there appears a magical display,
A horse, an ox, a man or woman,
A mountain or a palace, and the rest.

Deluded mind and its habitual tendencies,
Phenomenal existence, the objects of the senses
And the three poisons that fixate on them—
All these occur because of ignorance.
Devoid of real existence, they all appear unceasingly.
They are like conjured apparitions.
From now on be convinced
That they are empty, false reflections.

Just as in the midst of crowds,
The forms displayed by a magician—
Horses, oxen, chariots, and the like—
Appear in various forms yet lack reality,
Understand that all things are like this.

Sure it is that all things in phenomenal existence,
In saṃsāra and nirvāṇa,
Are in their nature equal and they all resemble space.
Understand that all are unborn,
Pure from the beginning.

All things disintegrate, O Son of the Victorious One,
All existents are primordially empty.
Extremists hold a lesser emptiness.
But there is no debate between the learned and the childish.



(Italicized Quotes are from Longechenpa’s ā€œfinding comfort/rest & ease in illusionā€ & some from other books in that wonderful Trilogy)



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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26993958 - 10/20/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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* So-called "visual snow" (which is not like snow but static in old TVs)
* Real snowing (made of who knows what but they are white)
* A galaxy-like spiral rotating above me and changing direction in every few seconds
* MPEG compression artifacts both open and closed eyes
* Some kind of pixels

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Now that you can use the internet you can investigate vision as a neurological process, and a cognitive process.

the eye is not like a video camera, it produces some areas of Hi res, visual data  (from the fovea) and the rest  is low res dots or snow, which over time increases as the eyes age.

The brain performs continuous joining and infilling extrapolating fragments of the hires visual field using memory fragments that fit to make an apparently seamless visual panorama including what you are looking at, as well as bits that are fit in.

Each frame is built up over around 1/15th of a second, some parts are clear faster and other parts do not catch up for a full second, which means that several kinds of temporary artifacts will occur.

When you are stoned, all sensory signals last longer, they fade more slowly. this means that the snow and artifacts of vision also persist as well as do memory infill artifacts. To me this is wonderful, I think it is closer to how babies see, before the seamlessness of childhood reality sets in, and for me it is like coming home.

The more you study physiology, and perception the more natural what you have rediscovered about your limited senses will seem.


CHAKRAS however are a different matter, not directly related to vision, except when you visualize or let the mind infill. In most cases yogic chakra work is related to relaxation and concentration.

Any spot on the body can be chakkrafied. the classic chakkras like the third eye are natural areas in which chakkrafication (concentration and relaxation) produce positive feelings. I do not dig mumbojumbo versions of this information, but I do appreciate our human history of discovery of phenomena, and they are part of that.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26993971 - 10/20/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hallucinations by Dr. Oliver Sacks (Neurologist) , is a book I always recommend to anyone interested in this sort of phenomena.

(About the book / from his site):

ā€œHave you ever seen something that wasn’t really there? Heard someone call your name in an empty house? Sensed someone following you and turned around to find nothing?

Hallucinations don’t belong wholly to the insane. Much more commonly, they are linked to sensory deprivation, intoxication, illness or injury. People with migraines may see shimmering arcs of light or tiny, Lilliputian figures of animals and people. People with failing eyesight, paradoxically, may become immersed in a hallucinatory visual world. Hallucinations can be brought on by a simple fever or even the act of waking or falling asleep, when people have visions ranging from luminous blobs of color to beautifully detailed faces or terrifying ogres. Those who are bereaved may receive comforting ā€œvisitsā€ from the departed. In some conditions, hallucinations can lead to religious epiphanies or even the feeling of leaving one’s own body.

Humans have always sought such life-changing visions, and for thousands of years have used hallucinogenic compounds to achieve them. As a young doctor in California in the 1960s, Oliver Sacks had both a personal and a professional interest in psychedelics. These, along with his early migraine experiences, launched a lifelong investigation into the varieties of hallucinatory experience.



Here, with his usual elegance, curiosity, and compassion, Dr. Sacks weaves together stories of his patients and of his own mind-altering experiences to illuminate what hallucinations tell us about the organization and structure of our brains, how they have influenced every culture’s folklore and art, and why the potential for hallucination is present in us all, a vital part of the human condition.ā€

https://www.oliversacks.com/books-by-oliver-sacks/hallucinations/Ā ; Here’s a link to it.
I found a copy at my local library and enjoyed it immensely.  It’s  a superb read and I consider it a must read (Recommended) for pschonaughts!


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26993985 - 10/20/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26993986 - 10/20/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994012 - 10/20/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don’t visualize it. I don’t imagine it. I see it.




let me repeat. what you see is composed in your mind (brain), it is not a gift that goes from reality into your perfect eyes and into your perfect soul.

there is no separation between what you see and what you imagine.

you may also imagine something and not see it, and I know you are really struggling with this because of your reported efforts at lucid dreaming.

I honor religious text in context of the times they were written and preserved through the long pre-modern era of print and curated scientific discoveries. Without the ancient works of the best minds of past times we would still be throwing beautiful girls in bonfires to achieve herd immunity etc.

as for Chakkras, you are counting them and hoping your count conforms to ancient texts, which is a waste of your time. the ancient chakkras are no more truthfull than the story of Job in the bible. Realistic, content for you to get going on your journey, but not real. You have innumerable chakkras everywhere.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994024 - 10/20/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994059 - 10/20/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

so how old are you and how long have you been using drugs?

also, will you be following up on exploring what is known about vision, eyes, the visual cortex in the brain, or will you be spending all of your time seeking corroboration of fake new-agey ideas or fake esoteric ideas about what you see.

even that chair in the room which you can see, actually appears in any particular glance as partly there and partly vague (your mind assembles it and puts it in positions in space the way you understand spaces). There are reasons for that which I have already touched on, but to understand more of what is happening to your vision on drugs you need to learn about what happens in your mind and your eye when you are not on drugs.

i.e. read up on anatomy, physiology, neurology, etc. There is tons to learn.

edit: also look at cubist art, noting that many of the things shown by artists, are what they see, and it makes a lot of sense.



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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994067 - 10/20/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994069 - 10/20/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

after a couple of decades, 3 members here have me on ignore.
I guess I am really here, still, so far.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994087 - 10/20/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994093 - 10/20/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994108 - 10/20/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Since you did not answer my question, I will guess that you are under 25, possibly way under.

That means your potential is still ahead of you, and you can get away with a simple minded approach for a while without too much kickback.

the best I can do I have done, you will follow the breadcrumbs that taste best for you and that will be your story.


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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
    #26994123 - 10/20/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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