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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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No. I did have HPPD to varying degrees for a while, but it went away. That just means I had some very light patterning, flowing and other minor visual symptoms like that for a while, but it went away. And that was only after fairly heavy use of a variety of RC psychedelics combined with an all day every day weed habit.
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bullshit becomes alarmingly apparent.
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Yes, I cannot stand cable news because it reeks of propaganda all day and all night basically.
Also, I have seemingly permanent visual enhancements of objects in my field of view. They're sort of like the super 3d television Linus from Linus Tech Tips showed off a bit...for instance, leaves on trees, I can see the detail on all sides of them as I pass them in a car...in a freaking car, yes, I still see more detail than I should. Also, colors are just permanently more vibrant, but only by a little bit. This isn't HPPD because nothing moves at all, it's just my eyes will take in the detail on the trees as I catch a glimpse of them
Also, light bending...moreso I can see optical illusions as illusions almost immediately, spatial awareness is a lot more comprehensive, and I have a very strong sense of what time it is, without looking at any clocks. I can also see reflections more easily, stuff that would normally not reflect much, I can now practically use it as a mirror, etc. Also being able to see light diffraction on roads so I know when the road dips or increases in grade way before I get to it.
That's about it.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#26993044 - 10/19/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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naturally.
however the term permanent is not one I would apply:
After tripping, many visual artifacts are noticeable which were probably ignored since early childhood; some of these noticings may even persist for a few years - these are not necessarily new, but to the everyday mind they have become noticeable after the trip, but were not part of one's mental framework before.
Similarly after meditation (on the third eye location, for instance) the specific chakra area seems energized, activated, or stimulated for a while after, and is easily reactivated for a few hours afterwards. During meditation many interesting phenomena (associative distractions and even entities) are likely to appear as well.
Note: this does not in itself mean that any attainments have occurred, but the practice of awareness itself has so many benefits that accrue over time that it might seem that "your third eye has opened" or that some other metaphysical changes are afoot.
Similarly the use of psychedelic has many short term and long lasting merits without persisting changes in what you notice or what you ignore.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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To me it sounds somewhat like (from various Buddhist traditions’ POV)
Nimittas- (Theravada / Thai Forest Tradition) Makyo - (Mahayana / Rinzai & Soto Zen) Magical Illusion / Maya - (Vajrayana / Dzogchen & Mahamudra) Ex. Of how they speak of it (aforementioned Experiential phenomena)
The primordial nature of the mind Is a spacious, sky-like state Where primal wisdom is like sun and moon and stars. And yet when there occurs within this womb of space— The wondrous sphere of emptiness— A state of ignorance, conceptualization, dualistic clinging, The hallucinations of the three worlds And the six migrations manifest In the manner of a magical illusion.
They appear spontaneously, through the power Of interdependent causes and conditions— Just as when a piece of wood or little stone Is conjured through an incantation And there appears a magical display, A horse, an ox, a man or woman, A mountain or a palace, and the rest.
Deluded mind and its habitual tendencies, Phenomenal existence, the objects of the senses And the three poisons that fixate on them— All these occur because of ignorance. Devoid of real existence, they all appear unceasingly. They are like conjured apparitions. From now on be convinced That they are empty, false reflections.
Just as in the midst of crowds, The forms displayed by a magician— Horses, oxen, chariots, and the like— Appear in various forms yet lack reality, Understand that all things are like this.
Sure it is that all things in phenomenal existence, In saṃsāra and nirvāṇa, Are in their nature equal and they all resemble space. Understand that all are unborn, Pure from the beginning.
All things disintegrate, O Son of the Victorious One, All existents are primordially empty. Extremists hold a lesser emptiness. But there is no debate between the learned and the childish.
(Italicized Quotes are from Longechenpa’s “finding comfort/rest & ease in illusion” & some from other books in that wonderful Trilogy)
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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* So-called "visual snow" (which is not like snow but static in old TVs) * Real snowing (made of who knows what but they are white) * A galaxy-like spiral rotating above me and changing direction in every few seconds * MPEG compression artifacts both open and closed eyes * Some kind of pixels
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Now that you can use the internet you can investigate vision as a neurological process, and a cognitive process.
the eye is not like a video camera, it produces some areas of Hi res, visual data (from the fovea) and the rest is low res dots or snow, which over time increases as the eyes age.
The brain performs continuous joining and infilling extrapolating fragments of the hires visual field using memory fragments that fit to make an apparently seamless visual panorama including what you are looking at, as well as bits that are fit in.
Each frame is built up over around 1/15th of a second, some parts are clear faster and other parts do not catch up for a full second, which means that several kinds of temporary artifacts will occur.
When you are stoned, all sensory signals last longer, they fade more slowly. this means that the snow and artifacts of vision also persist as well as do memory infill artifacts. To me this is wonderful, I think it is closer to how babies see, before the seamlessness of childhood reality sets in, and for me it is like coming home.
The more you study physiology, and perception the more natural what you have rediscovered about your limited senses will seem.
CHAKRAS however are a different matter, not directly related to vision, except when you visualize or let the mind infill. In most cases yogic chakra work is related to relaxation and concentration.
Any spot on the body can be chakkrafied. the classic chakkras like the third eye are natural areas in which chakkrafication (concentration and relaxation) produce positive feelings. I do not dig mumbojumbo versions of this information, but I do appreciate our human history of discovery of phenomena, and they are part of that.
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Hallucinations by Dr. Oliver Sacks (Neurologist) , is a book I always recommend to anyone interested in this sort of phenomena.
(About the book / from his site):
“Have you ever seen something that wasn’t really there? Heard someone call your name in an empty house? Sensed someone following you and turned around to find nothing?
Hallucinations don’t belong wholly to the insane. Much more commonly, they are linked to sensory deprivation, intoxication, illness or injury. People with migraines may see shimmering arcs of light or tiny, Lilliputian figures of animals and people. People with failing eyesight, paradoxically, may become immersed in a hallucinatory visual world. Hallucinations can be brought on by a simple fever or even the act of waking or falling asleep, when people have visions ranging from luminous blobs of color to beautifully detailed faces or terrifying ogres. Those who are bereaved may receive comforting “visits” from the departed. In some conditions, hallucinations can lead to religious epiphanies or even the feeling of leaving one’s own body.
Humans have always sought such life-changing visions, and for thousands of years have used hallucinogenic compounds to achieve them. As a young doctor in California in the 1960s, Oliver Sacks had both a personal and a professional interest in psychedelics. These, along with his early migraine experiences, launched a lifelong investigation into the varieties of hallucinatory experience.
Here, with his usual elegance, curiosity, and compassion, Dr. Sacks weaves together stories of his patients and of his own mind-altering experiences to illuminate what hallucinations tell us about the organization and structure of our brains, how they have influenced every culture’s folklore and art, and why the potential for hallucination is present in us all, a vital part of the human condition.”
https://www.oliversacks.com/books-by-oliver-sacks/hallucinations/ ; Here’s a link to it. I found a copy at my local library and enjoyed it immensely. It’s a superb read and I consider it a must read (Recommended) for pschonaughts!
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Vylie said: ... I don’t visualize it. I don’t imagine it. I see it.
let me repeat. what you see is composed in your mind (brain), it is not a gift that goes from reality into your perfect eyes and into your perfect soul.
there is no separation between what you see and what you imagine.
you may also imagine something and not see it, and I know you are really struggling with this because of your reported efforts at lucid dreaming.
I honor religious text in context of the times they were written and preserved through the long pre-modern era of print and curated scientific discoveries. Without the ancient works of the best minds of past times we would still be throwing beautiful girls in bonfires to achieve herd immunity etc.
as for Chakkras, you are counting them and hoping your count conforms to ancient texts, which is a waste of your time. the ancient chakkras are no more truthfull than the story of Job in the bible. Realistic, content for you to get going on your journey, but not real. You have innumerable chakkras everywhere.
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so how old are you and how long have you been using drugs?
also, will you be following up on exploring what is known about vision, eyes, the visual cortex in the brain, or will you be spending all of your time seeking corroboration of fake new-agey ideas or fake esoteric ideas about what you see.
even that chair in the room which you can see, actually appears in any particular glance as partly there and partly vague (your mind assembles it and puts it in positions in space the way you understand spaces). There are reasons for that which I have already touched on, but to understand more of what is happening to your vision on drugs you need to learn about what happens in your mind and your eye when you are not on drugs.
i.e. read up on anatomy, physiology, neurology, etc. There is tons to learn.
edit: also look at cubist art, noting that many of the things shown by artists, are what they see, and it makes a lot of sense.
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#26994069 - 10/20/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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after a couple of decades, 3 members here have me on ignore. I guess I am really here, still, so far.
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Since you did not answer my question, I will guess that you are under 25, possibly way under.
That means your potential is still ahead of you, and you can get away with a simple minded approach for a while without too much kickback.
the best I can do I have done, you will follow the breadcrumbs that taste best for you and that will be your story.
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what were those things?
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Vylie said: Has any of you gained lasting or permanent effect due to mushroom or DMT or other psychedelic use?
For example:
* Seeing things you haven’t seen before when you are sober * Seeing specific things on every trip that you consider real * Anything else
Absolutely. Once you open up those perceptual senses that otherwise usually are closed, they don't turn off just because the trip ends.
Some of it is subtle, like gaining a better intuition about people and situations, but some of it is incredibly obvious, like being able to predict future events and stay in the flow most all of the time, i.e. synchronicity.
As to what happens during tripping specifically it's too complicated to explain briefly but it's extremely reliable in that it DOES happen pretty much every time.
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The Blind Ass said: Humans have always sought such life-changing visions, and for thousands of years have used hallucinogenic compounds to achieve them.
I have a long and expanding list of signs that make it almost impossible (ridiculously unlikely) that this reality existed even a hundred years ago.
I'm sure you do, but I'm equally sure you're entirely wrong.
OTOH is you mean THIS reality, i.e. present day delusional reality where people can firmly believe they are nothing more than code in some computer program running as an alien teenager's science project, no, that wasn't around a hundred years ago - although there were ancient philosophers who fell down the same rabbit hole. 
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Vylie said: So, how do you know this reality is older than one week?
That's a loaded philosophical question if I've ever seen one.
No matter how one answers, anyone who has done any surface level philosophical thinking (and understands some neurology) can simple rebut with something along the lines of the brain in a vat theory or Descartes "demon" theory.
"The Demon is presenting you with an illusion, making you believe that you are who you are when in reality you are not and none of your experience is real as you know it"
"Well, you could be imagining the memories you have of a time prior to today, when in reality you are a fresh brain in a vat, having your neocortex stimulated in ways that make you believe you had experiences which you've never had"
And of course, those classic philosophical conundrums have been debated for decades upon decades.
So, what we have is an epistemic issue. And, as much of a lover and student of philosophy that I am, it leads to a circle-jerk of thought experiments that aren't particularly useful for practicality.
Here's a useful resource that has some arguments against such ideas (and perhaps against the idea that the world is just a week old and we are fooled by a demon or some such thing to believe otherwise)
https://iep.utm.edu/evil-new/#H2
Otherwise, I can only infer that reality is older than a week by my perceptual experiences, including but not limited to memory (among many other things).
Ultimately if I am "fooled" into believing this reality, when indeed it is all an illusion created by a clever "demon", aliens, future scientists of the matrix etc, then what makes you different?
In this scenario you are either 1) One of many of my perceptions being generated by some external force, rendering you false. 2) A member of the "matrix" like myself, rendering your beliefs just as illusory as mine. 3) Entirely outside of the illusion (outside of the "matrix") and perhaps even the "demon" that is generating the illusion for everyone else.
Only in option 3 could you say that your beliefs are more true than mine or anyone elses. Only in that option your suggestion that the world is less than a week old could be any more epistemically valid than my suggestion that it is more than a week old. In the other options we are both fooled by this illusion and thus are wrong in our beliefs.
So then, if we do posit that we are just brains in a vat, fooled by a demon, in the matrix, etc, what proof do you have that you are outside of this illusion while the rest of us are fooled?
Please note, the word "demon" does not necessarily mean anything resembling a biblical demon. It's just a placeholder to stay true to the concept written about by Descartes but is simply referring to something, outside of the subject, manifesting this illusion within the subject.
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I keep a diary which kinda helps with the mindfuckery of forgetfulness.
I remember making each entry when I read it. some parts of these writings go back to the 20th century, which is more than a week ago.
recently a discussion has been circulating about this, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26967207.
Unless you are going Qanon on us, you should keep each issue separate, i.e. this misconception about universe simulation is not related to the misconceptions about the third eye, but people who have become attracted to misconceptions seem to go for them all and it just snowballs towards total mindfuckery.
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Relativity is very dangerous, especially in this sense.
It allows the inclusion of bull shit ideas to be just as valid as any other idea. Which is wrong. All ideas do not hold the same the weight or value.
Channeling Itzi from the planet Urgu is not as valid as attempting to show electromagnetic fields as real.
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some of our best ideas are 80% true and 20% bullshit, though we don't yet know the full extent.
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my point being some ideas are 100% bullshit and they occupy the same rational space as other ideas. That's the danger. Ideas that are 80/20 are good fucking ideas. Look at the titan rocket, 60% success rate is damn good in real life but when in school its a fail.
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I'm not sure if a rational person would see a tree of any sort and say its a cow. They might be mistaken by an optical illusion but would be easily cleared up. One would have to be pretty delusional to perceive a cow as tree or vice versa.
This is what i'm talking about exactly right here.
All ideas are welcome to the table when in reality some ideas are just garbage. But of course with the society, especially here in the U.S. where we can't be hurting peoples feelings we have welcomed all ideas to the table. And we get nut jobs running around taking concepts that are not fleshed out by any means and running with them into an abyss where no one else can follow.
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PrimalSoup said: I'm sure you do, but I'm equally sure you're entirely wrong.
OTOH is you mean THIS reality, i.e. present day delusional reality where people can firmly believe they are nothing more than code in some computer program running as an alien teenager's science project, no, that wasn't around a hundred years ago - although there were ancient philosophers who fell down the same rabbit hole. 
Okay, you are sure.
Since I’m not sure about anything, only one of us can be delusional.
(Although you seem one of the brightest people here)
So, how do you know this reality is older than one week?
Well I'm not delusional usually, but when I trip I can be. So I've learned to be cautious about ascribing ground truth to everything I experience, and the rest I try to test somewhow.
The arguments against "how do you know this reality is older than one week?" are essentially the same as the arguments against young Earth creationism, and that morass of belief is every bit as unsupportable. Physics is what proves it.
But commonsense demonstrates it as well, Occam's razor advise parsimony in explanations, i.e. that the simplest explanation is more likely to be correct.
In this case, aside from there being no compelling reason at all to suspect reality is only recently created somehow, is that the trouble any such creating entity would have to go to to make everything turn out "just right" is not really worth the trouble involved - like radiation from billion year old distant sources over the entire sky just happening to arrive right now with the exact traces of their origin correct. Multiply this one case by endless similar problems involved in thinking it all just recently came to be, and the odds against it stack up such that the work involved exceeds the energy budget of the universe itself.
Of course it doesn't prove it, and it's always just possible that some sort of deity outside of time and space with a really perverse sense of humor did it all just to get one over on us. But you'd think such an entity would want to claim credit for this joke rather that just hiding somewhere...
But we've discovered half-billion year old genetic heritage extending unbroken in life on earth, and it clearly indicates deep time at work in excruciatingly slow evolutionary change - not something just recently made.
We have evidence in rocks of radioactive decay products accumulated over billions of years as well, in exactly the right proportions, wherever and whenever you choose to look at them.
So the hypothetical jester deity/advanced civilization/magical creator would have to either make them that way just in advance of somebody looking, or have made them that way everywhere, all at the same time. To what purpose? So nobody but a few would ever suspect it?
I could go on but it's probably pointless. 
And, well I have to add that I regularly experience events while tripping that make me intensively question my current understanding of how reality actually works, so these sort of questions are not misguided by any means. The difference perhaps is that I've been working steadily over quite a few years now to devise repeatable methods of testing the nature of those events in order to advance my understanding, and possibly tease out solid evidence of what could be a radical reinterpretation of physics itself. If I finish that project before I die I'll consider it time well spent, but it's like I really don't have much of a choice - it's either figure it out or give it up and pretend it didn't happen. I seem to be incapable of the latter.
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it is extremely low brow of you to say so, I guess school was hard, or too boring, or hormone too strong.
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Anatomy, bio, physics, chem, & mathematics, etc are fantastic add on tools when used well & creatively & honestly by a wholesome, healthy, and keenly discerning mind. They can potentially be as mind expanding, if not more, than just psychedelics imho. Together though, they can complement each other and deeply enrich life in a way that helps keep us more honest with others and ourselves. Together - emergent things happen in our understanding of the world from a phenomenological view point - One that doesn’t seem to occur often when the vehicle one uses to pierce phenomena is just one or the other alone.
It makes the shine of reality all the more clear.
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Gravity is not a force...any way there is no point is discussing physics is you don't have a basic understanding of how it works.
also science isn't trying to explain such origins. Just the mechanism of the system. Science understands its limits. It cannot say how or where things originated. Just the process of being.
As far as the big bang is concerned...well we have evidence of an event but thats really it. We have the a tool (brain) created of this reality trying to explain the whole thing. Its a bit self limiting.
and biology could have started any way. There are plenty of things that could release energy for a system. The sun was obviously an abundant source of energy...There is life that doesn't require photosynthesis and can still thrive by releasing energy from other compounds.
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I've had a trip where it showed me that I'm life experiencing a person, not a person experiencing life. And it has kind of fucked with me ever since. Not as bad when I'm sober.. but sometimes I'm in the mirror or whatever and like.. "damn I'm really in control of this mother fucker". Lol. I try not to let it get way too in my head because then it just creeps me out.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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there are a lot of people on these forums that exist in a world without the slightest understanding of physics but they still say things that look like they can discuss the same matter as those who do understand physics, and chemistry, and biology, and photosynthesis.
the mind is such a plastic thing, that absolute clouds of nothing can support visions of infinite integrity.
with this person, we have no recourse in facts, and that can be a good thing for an endless holiday, with an endless supply of mushrooms, and hopefully an infinity pool.
I guess he-she put me on ignore, no blame, I have not been too gentle.
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What if it’s 100% compatible with my experience?
What I experienced at my 3rd or 4th trip and a dozen times since then is that "I’ve always existed. I’ve been playing this since forever. I make myself forget it only to remember it again. Everyone and everything else is my subconsciousness. Sometimes, I tell them. They don’t like it. Usually, they don’t believe it, but deep inside they know it’s true. It’s funny."
Don’t worry. As far as I know, I can’t read your mind. Not that I want to.
Could be man! I have those thoughts while sober. Sometimes I think I'm in one big dream and this is all made up and I'm going to wake up from a coma or something. Who knows man. The perspectives are endless... which makes it so much fun.. and so freaky!
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Nothings stopping me from believing it. I entertain all scenarios. I'm not committed to just one way. My mind won't let me.
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One does not choose to believe in something...that's a dumb notion.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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This is going to be a bit long, as I've been thinking about this for a few days, so bear with me and I ask that you read it in full if you want a complete picture of my thoughts on these matters.
Thank you.
So after some thorough reflection of your two threads, as well as the messages you have sent me, I wanted to come back and express some thoughts.
I think it worthwhile to try and take a look at what you have proposed, why there is some agreement with some of your words and even more resistance to others.
You have laid out before us a host of suggestive imagery. These experiences and/or visions seem in line with what some experience on psychedelics and also compatible with what can be experienced in episodes of madness. I think it is important to make a distinction between two important concepts that arise in your propositions
The Physical and The Metaphysical
And in order to do so, I want to start out with a quote by Terrence Mckenna.
As Terrence Mckenna put it, when discussing the various visions and experiences of the psychedelic experience:
“They are real. They have existential validity”.
So I genuinely believe that the various visions you have had, and many others, are real experiences. But that does not necessitate that they are Physical experiences. Physical experiences are bounded by the laws of our physical universe (known and unknown). And, of course, we have yet to discover everything about the physical realm. But we have some solid fundamental understandings about the basic principles of how this all works. And a lot of the experiences you have had would seem to violate those laws.
So does that mean that they aren't real? No, but perhaps they do not reside in the physical plane.
The Metaphysical plane is no less real that the physical one. We exist within that realm just as much, if not more, than the physical one. Of course, the metaphysical world is a much bigger mystery to us. The supposed “laws” are enigmatic, if they exist at all, and our experiences there do not seem bound by the same sets of rules that bind our physical ones.
So I'd like to suggest that your experiences occupy the metaphysical space. The fantastical visions you have had, the experiences of time and other dimensions, may not be compatible with the physical world but are more than capable of existing in the realms of the metaphysical one.
And I think it is important to note that that does not invalidate or make them any less “real”. But it doesn't not need to be the case that the metaphysical must manifest itself as an exact reflection in the physical and vice versa. The two worlds can exist simultaneously and be reflective in ways in which their expression looks different in each world.
For example, a lot of what you have experienced is echoed in the sentiments of The Collective Unconscious suggested by Carl Jung. Those visions come to us in our dreams and various other altered states of consciousness. Their content is generated and exists, in their ultimate reality, on the metaphysical plane. They are then manifested as visions in the physical world (brain, mind, visual field etc) and further manifest in our behaviors and assumptions of the world.
So they are just as real in the physical realms, yet they are real in a fundamentally different way than in their natural space, the metaphysical world. The visions of being a death dealing dragon is true and manifest exactly as presented in the metaphysical world. But when it manifests in the physical world, it does so in the form of symbolism and vision, channelled through altered states of consciousness, leaving an imprint on feeling and behavior. It does not manifest itself literally but instead becomes compacted within the limits of the physical world.
If the above holds water, perhaps you may see why a lot of our fellow shroomerites are proposing rebuttals to your sentiments. They believe that, somewhere along the way, you have set the two worlds upon a hierarchy, where the metaphysical world is more “real” or “important” to you, and abandoned the truth of one world for the truth of the other.
To illustrate this phenomena, I'd like to use a quote by Alan Watts (discussing a buddhist who goes into him or herself completely, giving up the “normal world”, to manifest the transcendental (metaphysical) realm )
“Now, if you go off in that way, that is what would be called in Buddhism a pratyeka- buddha--'private buddha'. He is one who goes off into the transcendental world and is never seen again. And he's made a mistake from the standpoint of Buddhism, because from the standpoint of Buddhism, there is no fundamental difference between the transcendental world and this everyday world.”
In this way, I believe that the disconnect between yourself and many of us shroomerites manifests. We do not disagree with many of your spiritual notions, nor do we question the validity of the metaphysical experiences that you've had.
What is being questioned is the hierarchical structure you propose, that the visions you have of “dragons, demons, alien sex, goddesses, etc” are anymore real or important than the “mundane” physical experiences of being and experiencing the simple things of a limited physical mortality. And your suggestion that the metaphysical must manifest itself into the physical world exactly as you see it in a plane of limitlessness is also questionable.
Time does indeed exist here. It does not mean that it is the ultimate reality. It does not mean that it must also reflect itself exactly in the metaphysical world. Just like the metaphysical manifests itself as visions to us, instead of material events, time manifests itself differently in the metaphysical world. Many people experience time, not as a binding force, but as an independent and malleable object in the metaphysical real. So I firmly believe that the two can absolutely exist and even reflect upon each other, but that the reflections look different in each realm, based upon the laws, or lack thereof, that govern each reality.
Perhaps then, you may be able to see the general resistance of others in your threads. It is no doubt that the line between enlightenment and madness is thin, and we all overstep from time to time. It is incredibly easy to convince ourselves that we have seen the truth, we are in fact bound by the physical world. And the limitless possibilities, of the metaphysical realm, can convince us to discard all of the physical truths with which we must live. Furthermore, it is no secret that altered states of consciousness could lead us to misconstrue the way that the two worlds coexist. We may incorrectly manifest one in the other (perhaps that is where “bad trips” originate, the incorrect manifestation of the physical world into the metaphysical when we open up ourselves to cross that barrier). And it is no secret that such powerful experiences, especially if mediated by overuse of psychedelics, could overwhelm our faculties and distort the way we perceive the manifestation of the metaphysical into the physical.
Hopefully that expresses my belief of why I think that you and most others here are clashing ideologically. This is not to say that the physical rules are all figured out. As we advance our knowledge and find a better balance between the two realms, we may see truth in some or many of your experiences. And we may abandon old rules in favor of new ones that are compatible with new findings (from both realms).
But we also cannot forget that the line between enlightenment and madness is thin.
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Some people need to ask themselves the question if their thirds eye is more "open", simply because it has been raped.
The "My current view on existence shows I am more enlightened and aware than you are"-vibe, is oxymoronic.
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I've had a trip where I was a inter-dimensional being drifting into different vessels throughout the universes, I lost track of which vessel I was at the beginning of the trip and afterwards I felt like a liar when I used my ID. I would absolutely describe that as a life experiencing a person. Perfect description. (I wrote a thread about that experience: Chweing Salvia Divinorum
Personally I don't think the best way is interpreting that experience literally. But I do think the experience is very useful, especially when it comes to understanding how different mindsets creates different perceived existences, and that sort of thing
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I guess I should explain myself in a bit more serious terms, this is what I mean:
When you journey outside yourself and open your third eye you receive an endless stream och powerful experiences. When you return from that journey I would argue that it as absolutely vital that you ground your experiences. You need to process the experiences, and connect them to your existence. As en example: the culture where Salvia Divinorum is traditionally chewed, they have the idea that after re-entering the "normal" plain of existence, you need to sing (or hum), to re-acclimatize to this existence. If you don't reconnect you will partially be lost in the other side.
Letting the otherworldly experiences taking a hold of you, without grounding them, is essentially getting raped by the beyond, put harshly. It's not unusual for people coming back after having seen the truth, with a new earned sense of spiritual superiority, when in fact they just partially (or worse) turned mad.
So how do you know when you have actually learned something/reached something, or when you simply haven't been able to realign properly and gone ape shit holier-than-thou?
Wisdom, or rather one trait of wisdom, is the capacity to differentiate between these.
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PrimalSoup said: Physics is what proves it.
I mentioned it maybe a dozen times that physics is wrong. I few times, I’ve given examples. Not only in the last days but a few weeks ago as well.
No one has given any meaningful response, but people keep talking about scientific proofs.
Anyone with a basic understanding of chemistry (the essence of it) should understand it in minutes or two that life could not be born out of the blue on a ball of melted stone that cooled down.
I also described it here weeks ago. I see it pointless to repeat it. One or two days ago I summarized one of the blatant flaws in Big Bang theory. You can find it in my posts.
By the way, why is it easier to believe that the visible Universe was created 13 billion years ago than it happened one week ago? What’s the difference?
Why is it easier to believe that The Nothing(tm) exploded into billions of galaxy clusters than that someone is dreaming the world?
Well from my perspective your examples don't prove anything, since what I sense here is simply ignorance of the actual scientific method and body of knowledge - the kind of detailed knowledge that would demonstrate the flaws in what you're claiming.
But I don't dismiss your inalienable right to believe in them if you feel it helpful or comforting, just like anybody else.
Have a nice life and keep on exploring the ineffable realms.
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Vylie said: First question. How do we know when one is not spiritually superior? Is there an accurate and exclusive description of a spiritually superior person? Do they have to be like Gandhi or the Dalai Lama or Bill Gates?
I meant how do the person himself know if he reached a spiritual goal or just fooled himself into thinking he has. It's the self-distance issue I'm pointing out. Many people are claiming they have made spiritual progress. Is it automatically true every time if the person himself feels it?
(I would think one of the biggest things to master when it comes to personal development is self-distancing, self awareness).
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Vylie said: Let’s say a person starts telling you they are God in a scenario when you don’t have the same belief about yourself.
Let’s suppose you knew the person for a while before they told you that, and you didn't consider them a full braindead idiot.
If the person is not a braindead idiot, there is a chance they are right. It might be a small chance but it’s above zero.
The only case you can know it for sure that they are not God is when you are God in your "almighty" all-in version. In any other case, you cannot know it.
I would assume the person is having a highly personal experience that he hopefully will digest into something tangible upon re-entry, and let him finish his experience without disturbing him with questions posed for my own gain.
And if the behavior would continue after re-entry, I would think (not tell) the person he's wrong and try to guide him out of it.
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Well, the vast majority of people claiming spiritual superiority have simply just lost their marbles, so that would be a fair deal... And anyone who actually has achieved anything, should not need to be bothered by the peasants trying to put him down...
And finally I would like to state: Healthy criticism is a thing.
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Oh yeah, i'll show you futility: To be a spiritual person one must not allow themselves to fall victim to other peoples ideologies. People will find comfort in their eternal solitude and form their own opinions based on their experience and there is very little that can shake that kind of mental foundation.
I think it was mckenna who said once, "I'm cool enough to know, when some one tells me i'm not, that their full of shit."
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I don't think you understand, because you are constantly shifting the focus to the observer... I was not talking about how to "handle" the self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened. I was talking about how the self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened "handle" themselves. I don't see why you focus so much on the observer.
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third eye fell off a truck. splatt!
ascension of senseless post counts
whatever.
...Speaking of senseless posts?
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after a very very very long time without psychedelics I found myself to be almost asleep
this sais alot about psychedelics
it describes them god
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Vylie said: You are talking about "handling" the "self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened" people. You are suggesting there is something wrong with them thus they should be handled.
Didn't I just write a post explaining that this is precisely what I'm not trying to do?
I'm simply suggesting that if a person (me or someone else) has an experience that could, according to the person having the experience, be considered a spiritual epiphany or similar, that person, for his own sake, ought to put some effort into integrating the experience with his previously known existence, thereby grounding the insights and avoiding wandering down a negative path caused by the lack of... let's say existential cohesion or contextual coherence.
This is not a description of how persons in such situations should be handled, it's a description of how they should handle themselves. The difference is kinda essential to what I'm saying.
I think its quite healthy advice to suggest one should not be to quick overestimating insights. Insights need perspective and context. I will not accept that suggesting to put effort into that is a bad thing. Frankly I'm quite appalled that someone would consider that bad advice.
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Vylie said: If being "self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened" is wrong, then who should acclaim enlightened people? You? A jury? Archangel Michael? Or maybe there should be an online quiz for it since COVID doesn’t allow organizing properly-acclaimed-enlightenment certification ceremonies.
Did I say that was wrong? No I didn't. Your making stuff up.
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Vylie said: In this case, we are talking about an authority who has the right and the position to declare who is enlightened and who is not.
Who is talking about an authority that declares who is enlightened? That's pure madness. I hadn't even thought of that until you just wrote it. Your making stuff up again.
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Vylie said: It’s an ancient story. It’s pulling others down to the ground in the name of the "healthy criticism". Its shorter term is hell.
That is not, in any way, a reasonable interpretation of what I have written. Your intellectually dishonesty becoming more and more apparent.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000998 - 10/24/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah. I often see trippy things and patterns that I'm not consciously thinking of when I lay in bed. It's like a mood that sometimes comes on and makes me feel trippy. On most high dose trips I see things that feel far more real than sober reality and I used to have trouble deciding whether to believe what I'm experiencing or not. First my world view was shattered and I believed the things I saw were real, then I forced myself to believe they weren't but were still amazing. Now I can't tell for sure anymore, I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27001082 - 10/24/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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the Vylie you are composing responses for is not engaged in the topic, just with emitting self laudatory comments. (like Trump, you can heap praise, or just heap, any press is good press, and all press is for losers)
Spirituality requires no acclaim or validation, It is the most functional way of being natural, and does not draw attention to itself.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Turvenuija]
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redgreenvines said: the Vylie you are composing responses for is not engaged in the topic, just with emitting self laudatory comments. (like Trump, you can heap praise, or just heap, any press is good press, and all press is for losers)
Spirituality requires no acclaim or validation, It is the most functional way of being natural, and does not draw attention to itself.
I could not agree more.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27001293 - 10/24/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie is also carrying a lot of baggage, and these forums are an outlet for her pain. Which is the main thing she is interested in. pain - torment - the more ouch the more real.
honesty can become that kind of experience, but to recover from self inflicted pain with honesty is a great awakening indeed.
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This whole this seems so alien to me. What must one do in order to have autonomy within the society and yet consume psilocybin so regularly.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27002137 - 10/25/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it happens as less destruction
for example not doing drugs
that is one of the main things we need to awaken to
recovey means recovery of behavior
the self is the behaviour
to become better one needs to do better
that's the whole thing maybe
raising the quality of one's behavior
like fixing the garden
like getting it all in order
it helps on the short term because consciousness is defined by behavior
it helps in the long term because you do better
that is why we call it do better
you meditate more or paint better you will get better and get it better
positive action facilitates recovery
negative action hinders it
and bettering
for example of the self
and getting it better
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie] 2
#27004222 - 10/26/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for your reply. Some thoughts below on your response:
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Vylie said: When I started reading your post, a response popped up in my mind. Later, you wrote something that put it in another perspective.
There are several reasons I might take my experiences literally. One of them is I decided to do so.
I understand and I think everyone is completely in agreement with your right to do so. The problem is, the general population shares a world. We cannot take our visions, dreams, metaphysical experiences, etc literally because then we may be dysfunctional in the world.
For example, say I have a vision that I am descendant from an omniscient race of extra-dimensional beings. And I take that literally, thus I spread that belief far and wide. I allow it to affect my day to day life, forgoing food, for example, being extra-dimensional beings do not need three-dimensional sustenance. Or I go further and am unemployable and cannot make a living on my own because I believe in my dominion, as this super being, over all of these lower dimensional creatures.
Not to say that, perhaps, my vision isn't true. But, should I participate in the social contract of the outside world, I need to temper my beliefs and accommodate the society, to some degree, even if their beliefs don't completely line up with mine. And to do so, I can't choose to take things literally that have no basis in the "reality" of our shared society (based on physics). Or more accurately, I can think and feel as I want but I need to accept the consequences doing so.
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Vylie said: Another reason is that I saw dozens or maybe a hundred things during the trips I’ve never heard about and didn’t think of, only to find them described in books and religions word by word. It was not one or two details. When I say maybe more than a hundred, I choose my words well.
I understand this. However, I feel it can be considered in two different ways.
1) As previously mentioned, The Collective Unconscious, or something similar to it in theory, could explain this phenomenon. Perhaps we draw from that collective pool of knowledge/visions whenever we enter states of altered consciousness.
2) Subliminal messaging. Throughout our lives, especially in childhood, we are imprinted upon greatly by the external world. Many bits of information that, alone, seem irrelevant, come together to form ideas, views and perceptions. While we may not remember seeing something, we may have been exposed to the information of it in the background of our lives and, when our mind needed or wanted to put the pieces together, it did and we had an experience that came seemingly out of nowhere (but was just an amalgamation of information that we slowly gathered over time).
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Vylie said: Also, I saw many things I wouldn’t have considered my interests in life before the trips. I saw a few details that were rejected by me all my life, but now they fit with the rest of it.
Trips can be unbelievably powerful. They can change the way we think, thus making us interested in things we may never have liked or rekindling an interest we may have lost. As I've stated previously, myself and most others here are absolutely convinced of the reality of the psychedelic experience and the impressions that it leaves. This is a psychedelic forum after all, just about all of us here have psychedelics in our sphere of reality as much as anything else in our lives.
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Vylie said: I was not interested in dragons, yet my trips were full of them from the beginning. Their role has been unfolding step by step. Egyptian Gods were also outside my interest before the mushrooms. Lately, meeting them is a part of almost every trip. I believe I know why.
There is yet to be a comprehensive picture of the human mind. Our minds manifest the most incredible things in our dreams and trips. Those manifestations can be as simple as a problem in our lives being projected as a fantastical illusion for us to work with for a solution. Not to say that this is the only or even the right explanation, but it is one that is, to some degree, established in the world of psychoanalysis (and its various evolutions in the field of psychology).
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Vylie said: Only after I started seeing these entities, and I saw myself as one of them, I did the research. It turned out I met them in situations that made sense in 100% should I have had the related knowledge. But I didn’t have it. So, why would I hallucinate logical and consistent details without the related knowledge?
For example, why would I meet Anput during a trip that started with a question about destruction if I never knew she existed? But we met, and she wasn’t happy. Out of 150 trips, she came during the single one when I asked about the destruction that would have interfered with her “duties”.
I see only two logical answers. There might be more yet to find.
One of the answers is that they are all real.
The other one is, as you mentioned, the Collective Unconscious.
And this is interesting. I agree with your analysis. It is a wonder that certain "Gods" or forms manifest to the mind with the appropriate correlates. If the collective unconscious exists, it would explain why someone who does not know the Ares could see him in a vision about war, because the collective unconscious has this information independent of any human mind.
It could also be, as stated above, that a person heard about it, was exposed to a bit of information, that they never thought relevant to remember (but their mind kept it). And, even though they forgot hearing briefly about Ares that one time during a lecture, their mind kept that information and it subsequently manifested to them during a state of altered consciousness some years down the line.
The other option, as you've said, is that they are real. I don't think anyone disputes that they are real. I think what is being disputed is HOW they are real. Carl Jung is real. He is the spirit of his words. He is contained within his books, lectures etc. But no one would say that he is, at this time, a biologically living entity. He was, but he is no longer.
Or look at greek mythological figures. They are real. They manifest in the myths and legends that seem to survive indefinitely. They are as real as the space now occupied by Carl Jung. The entirety of their being now exists in words. But the Greek Gods are generally considered to be exclusively metaphysical, they have never had physical incarnations. If that is true, it doesn't take away from their reality. Clearly, whatever the Greek Gods were, their survival in mythology and language proves how real they were, even if they never had physical forms.
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Vylie said: The Collective Unconscious seems a perfect explanation of all the above. It also fits with the impression I had on mushroom/pharma, saying that the rest of the world is my subconscious.
The term usually attributed for that belief (the bolded part), at least in philosophy, is solipsism. And from a neural standpoint, it is somewhat true (the world is generated by your brain from external stimuli received by your receptors, i.e vision, hearing touch etc). But if we believe there is an outside world providing the necessary stimuli for many of our perceptions, then the world can't be just your subconscious. It must consist of some combination of the two. And if the world contains more than your subconscious, specifically something external to you, then there must be some semblance of a shared reality in that world that is separate from your subconscious. Thus, it goes back to the distinction between the Metaphysical and the Physical spaces.
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Vylie said: If the Collective Unconscious exists, and it explains what I saw on my trips, then they are as real as planet Earth. I don’t mean it metaphysically real. I mean, they are reachable.
I think we all agree there. But the locomotion to reaching it is wildly different. We cannot drive a car to the psychedelic world just like we cannot take mushrooms to transport our physical bodies across the country. They are real. They are reachable. But they occupy different spaces. I picture it like a Venn Diagram. The Physical and the Metaphysical worlds are, mostly, completely separate in location from each other. But there is a space where they converge (namely, in our world, psychedelics, meditation etc).
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Vylie said: If we accept the Collective Unconscious, we must admit it has thousands of references to the process called Ascension. All world religions have it. In addition, there are movies like Lucy, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, the Stargate series. As for the Matrix, I believe the machines are not human-built AI but an alien invasion. Just look at what kind of machines humans can build in the Matrix. They didn’t even have an auto-aim system. The best thing they could make was a giant washing machine. They fought the war with almost bare hands.
What are the religions telling us (in addition to tons of lies)? What are the movies telling us (with fewer lies)?
I agree on the point of "ascension". Religion, alchemy, the collective unconscious, etc have plenty of references to ideas of "ascension" or "transcending". It seems to be a human trait brought upon by our realizations of our limits and the incredible formulations of thoughts about transcending those limits (whether physical or otherwise).
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Vylie said: I see this reality as a hardened version of the game called Room. The extra challenge is that you aren’t aware of the game.
I'm not familiar with this. What is the premise of the game?
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Vylie said: Am I sure? I’m not. So what?
If I took my trips literally, and I was wrong, I would be a bit disappointed at some point. My trips are still better than most of the alternatives.
What do you mean your trips are better than the alternatives? Alternatives meaning "regular" life? If so, there is as much awe and wonder in sitting in a field watching squirrels play as there is in the eloquent scenes of psychedelic manifestation. Beauty is everywhere and it is not only contained in grand visions. Why does the vision of an extra-dimensional war between ancient Gods have any more significance than the perception of a dandelion glistening from the rising sun?
There is nothing disappointing in what we refer to as the "simple things" in life. Both the "simple" and the "grand" are equally important.
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Vylie said: The only sane reaction is learning everything and doing everything I can. I’m not saying it’s the only rational reaction to every psychedelic experience. It is the only one to my experiences.
Everyone agrees with you there. And I'm sure you know that in that process one also must fall back, from time to time, onto the Socratic notion of
"All i know is that I know nothing"
or better conceptualized as the idea of healthy skepticism.
But we are all in agreement there, the pursuit of knowledge is an admirable goal (and thus the development of wisdom through observation, skepticism, experience and sharing in the collective knowledge).
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Vylie said: I’m not trying to help others because I’m such a good person. I don’t feel like the messiah. My dark side is larger than the Moon’s, and I embrace it.
I feel that defines most people. We all have an unexplored dark side and most of us are far from the conceptualization of a "God", whatever that might include.
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Vylie said: I’m trying to help others because there is a high chance you are all me. In other words, I’m trying to help myself every way I can.
If it turns out that you are not me and I still helped you, that’s also fine. I could most likely help only those I would be happy to see elevated to other realities.
And we are happy to share and discuss in your wisdom. You bring much to the table and have seen/experienced much which we can learn from. But, the fact is, there is a wider range of people with an even wider range of experiences on this website and, although we all want to help each other in whatever way we can, we most successfully do that by sharing our experiences and not assuming we have the truth and everyone else doesn't (even if we believe our truth is ultimate, it is best to foster discussion around it).
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Vylie said: I’m here either to show you it’s possible to get to a higher state by doing it in front of you, or because sometimes I like to torture myself, or both.
And we welcome you to the community and want to watch you manifest as much as we participate in the manifestation of others.
Please note, my words are my manifestation of a "healthy dose of skepticism". I am curious about your experience but, as different human minds do, we must find common ground to explore our exclusive and, simultaneously inclusive, realities.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27004488 - 10/26/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just watched the video and I thought it was beautiful.
I've never seen the video before now but have been familiar with the concept of the "cosmic egg" and the other notions expressed in the video.
And, in the belief that "We are one", I absolutely agree.
But to look at it and think that I am you is missing the fact that you are me and neither of us is the other because there is no "us" from an egoic point of view. Neither your form nor my form is "the" form. We are both just expressions of something else beyond ourselves.
Or at least that's the idea in the video.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27004515 - 10/26/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie, have you looked into what Teal Swan has to say about entities and thought forms? She explains a lot of esoteric and metaphysical concepts, ghosts, angels , entities etc and goes out of body every night learning about truths in the universe. Really breaks down higher dimensional concepts and cleared up a lot of things for me
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Socrateshroom] 1
#27004611 - 10/26/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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[I think we all agree there. But the locomotion to reaching it is wildly different. We cannot drive a car to the psychedelic world just like we cannot take mushrooms to transport our physical bodies across the country. They are real. They are reachable. But they occupy different spaces. I picture it like a Venn Diagram. The Physical and the Metaphysical worlds are, mostly, completely separate in location from each other. But there is a space where they converge (namely, in our world, psychedelics, meditation etc).
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First of all, kudos on a very well worded post! Enjoyed reading it.
I like the quoted part especially. That is a very straight forward and good description of how I view things. I think the implications of this is quite clear, as I stated in earlier posts: experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry. I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone. It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health och spiritual "progress" either.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: rustygrape]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Malkuthian said: I like the quoted part especially. That is a very straight forward and good description of how I view things. I think the implications of this is quite clear, as I stated in earlier posts: experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry. I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone. It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health or spiritual "progress" either.

Thank You!
I believe you hit it right on the head
I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone.
It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health or spiritual "progress" either.
And your solution as well
experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry.
I think the consequences of not grounding upon re-entry is that the person becomes stuck in the "transcendental world" and because that space is so limitless as compared to the physical world, they may fail to function in this "everyday" world.
And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
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Socrateshroom said: Or at least that's the idea in the video.
If we suppose (for the sake of thinking) that everything in the video is true, then there is a quite cruel consequence. None of the commenters mentioned it though.
Do you see it?
I'm not sure if I see what you see. (Although I'd like to hear about what you're thinking)
The consequence I envision is that the "individual" is just a tool for some other greater entity to mature.
So everything I feel, all of my darkest struggles and most glorious triumphs, mean nothing in the face of my eventual reincarnation and perpetual recycling within reality.
Although, if that's the case, I don't actually see it that way. Because I am a part of that entity that is growing. It manifesting as me, although just for the sake of growing in its own right, is still manifesting something real in me.
So I actually would find it comforting. That the fears of my oppressive ego are all a lie, and that I really am, if I may put it in a metaphor, one mycelial strand in a world of mushrooms.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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HUGE those many rooms and bridges and roadways! cafe's, and I'm in Greece again!
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Socrateshroom said: And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
That is also very true, and an important perspective to raise. Especially since this is a lot more common than people being stuck on the other side!
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian] 1
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as I said this thread should really be in the mysticism section. anybody ready to move it?
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Socrateshroom said: I'm not sure if I see what you see. (Although I'd like to hear about what you're thinking)
The consequence I envision is that the "individual" is just a tool for some other greater entity to mature.
If the video is true, either humanity must extinct or the egg will never hatch.
Right. But humanity doesn't even exist in the context of the video, it is just something generated by these entities. And thus, its extinction is akin to a T.V show ending. The "people" in the show don't cease to exist, their manifestation in the show does. But they continue as something else (their person rather than their T.V character). So humanity continues as the manifestation of the cosmic egg rather than being expressed as it is currently.
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Socrateshroom said: And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
That is also very true, and an important perspective to raise. Especially since this is a lot more common than people being stuck on the other side!
Absolutely. I'd say that is the primary mode of our world, the Physical. And materialism is the overwhelming majority in our world (even the standard religions are "materialist" in their manifestations).
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redgreenvines said: as I said this thread should really be in the mysticism section. anybody ready to move it?
I think this thread tows the line. Mysticism can be seen as an expression of the psychedelic experience. But I think there's enough rational thought and objections here that make it reasonable to stay. (Not that it really matters where the thread ends up I guess).
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Having been civil and interested in fostering intelligent discussion, irregardless of our disagreements, I felt the need to share some thoughts on your recent post.
Please note, I am just presenting some straightforward thoughts (at times in the defense of my fellow shroomerites) without judgement or emotion. So if anything I say seems a little harsh, please understand that this is not my intention. My intention is always to foster discussion and try to bring upon common ground. And, sometimes, that requires stronger words.
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Vylie said: Every time I read "hallucinated" or "integrate", I feel an increasing motivation to call in an alien invasion.
1) I think you are taking it the wrong way. Hallucinations are not something to be insulted over on a forum about psychedelics. We all have visions/hallucinations on and/or from psychedelics (that is, for many, one of the motivations for taking them). Most people did not say that to you maliciously. They are just trying to bridge the gap between you and them by conceptualizing a reason for why you are having the experience(s) that you are.
2) Why does the word "integrate" have a negative connotation to you. Whether it be a psychedelic experience, or just a regular experience, integration is a useful and necessary part of life. We "integrate" our various experiences into our being so that they can be useful to us. If we just "had" experiences but never integrated them into our whole, we would go through life blind, repeating the same mistakes or being trapped in the same loops because we never integrated anything.
I don't think there is anything malicious when another shroomerite uses that jargon.
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Vylie said: I feel an increasing motivation to call in an alien invasion. Not that I remember how to do it. I don’t. I didn’t even try. It would take me a while to get there.
I remember how it looks like. It’s not like in the movies. They don’t need a spaceship, spacesuits, or weapons. Some of them are the same size as the Moon. Gravity doesn’t affect them. The only reason it takes more than one second is that they want to see people trying to fight.
I think this is about where you lost me. You're "threatening" people with the prospect of extra-dimensional obliteration?
I'm all about respect and civility, and I'm trying my best to consider the concepts you propose without judgement, but I don't even know what to make of this. I don't believe people have the power to do such a thing. The world would be empty if people could obliterate each other by summoning extra-dimensional creatures to do their bidding.
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Vylie said: Or I could stop visiting this website. It’s far the biggest problem in my life now. In a way, it’s the only one. But I would miss those who have something intelligent to say.
To be fair, looking through your posts, most everyone has shown you respect and has been eager to discuss with you the concepts you propose.......up until you started to tell people that you were above them and that they don't know anything but you hold all of the secrets.
Now I'm not saying you are wrong. Perhaps you really have been exposed to the secrets of the universe. But can you see how putting people down and acting like a "God" might incite resistance from people?
We see it in the world. We imagine "God" (whatever that means conceptually) to be egoless. You give "God" an ego you get a tyrant (a.k.a A politician or a person with power who has an ego usually manifests as a tyrant). So people are just reacting to being told that they are lesser things and that they don't know anything the same way you are reacting when people tell you that your insight is all a result of hallucination.
And, not to sound crass, but if the forum is your biggest problem, you have it easy. People are having unbelievable struggles in their lives, both physical and existential, and people disagreeing with them online doesn't even crack the top million of their worries.
And, I enjoy the intellectual rigor and challenge of conversing with you. I think I learn a lot about the concepts you propose, and a lot about myself in the process. So I'd like you to remain. But, frankly, the saying is true. You need tough skin online. Because people can be absolutely evil behind the veil of anonymity (although, to be fair, I have not seen any public posts of users being disrespectful towards you, just expressing disagreement). But if the forums are really weighing on you, and it would be beneficial for you to leave, I would hope you would take whatever action necessary to foster your mental, spiritual and/or physical health.
But again, I enjoy the rigor of our conversations.
Note: I can't speak of what you may be experiencing in private messages. I hope you are not being harassed in that way by others.
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Vylie said: Telling me here that I hallucinated is like running into every church on sight, and shouting it in the middle, "You are wrong. God does not exist!"
The difference here is that you, willingly, posted on this forum. That means you were open to discussion. With that comes the high probability that someone will disagree with you and present their case. And it also comes with the possibility of ridicule. It isn't right but that is just the truth of the internet and the risks we take when sharing our ideas.
In your church example, the church is self-contained when giving mass or when gathering within it. If the church was forcing itself into people's homes, or if it presented its rhetoric on an open forum, the same things would happen. That is why churches and such operate the way they do. In a private space where, if someone doesn't agree with their beliefs, doesn't need to attend.
The shroomery forums are a public forum. Posting here means running into a wide range of people, some who may not share your beliefs and attempt to rebut you.
But that's the beauty of a public forum vs. a private one. Most private "forums" are just echo chambers where only those who are part of that particular hive mind can go and/or are accepted.
The shroomery accepts everyone. But it doesn't require everyone to agree.
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Vylie said: It’s not okay that I spend half of my trip thinking about these nonsense posts. It’s not about who is right and who is wrong. It’s about how much sense it makes to say it.
If I can’t talk about it here, where can I?
You can absolutely talk about it here. We welcome you to make posts, have discussions and the like.
BUT, there should be no expectation that others will agree or understand what you are presenting. I think this is where the disconnect comes from.
You can always offer proof, tangible proof, and that will sway people easily (because most on here are both rational and open).
But saying that you saw something is not tangible proof. And people will argue with you over the validity of your claims, unless you provide them with proof of your position.
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Vylie said: In addition to "personal" advantage, I could use the knowledge I’m regaining to find a way to save your planet, clean the oceans, regrow the Amazonas, and stop the fire. I could do these before I go somewhere else to play.
It takes me a while to make my body ready for that.
Again, this is where there is a disconnect for me. You keep referring to yourself as above us, above this world. That you can save it, that you can save us.
But a "God" doesn't hold back saving the world. It is only once the ego enters the picture that a benevolent entity would think to hold back out of spite.
And there are people out there doing unbelievable labor to actual clean the oceans, save the rainforests, etc.
If that is something within your power to do, then why not do it? Why not show us this power? No one would question you then.
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Vylie said: Let’s face it. If we skip the alien invasion, still, you all die in at most 20 years. It’s not 100 years. It’s not 50. And what kind of life is that with viruses, hurricanes, fire?
You wouldn’t really die, but you don’t know that, do you?
Just because I fooled myself in this world, you don’t need to be stupid.
You can tell me, I hallucinated. Fine. Save yourself. Good luck.
Or you can leave me to have a bit of fun here. I don’t need you to believe in me. Not at all. It makes it a lot of fun that you don’t.
Just stop telling me crap that’s like white noise.
But again, with all due respect, you are unsettled when others don't agree with you.
No one is trying to stop your fun. We want you to enjoy this life, this world, and add to the collective knowledge.
People just have opinions about your ideas. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe not. But no one is out to stop you from living your life. We are just participating in a public forum here.
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Vylie said: And then, maybe there is a chance I figure it out how to solve this mess before you boil up.
Today, I got a message through "angelic numbers" that I should help you.
You can tell me it’s also craziness or delusion.
Do you want me to believe that? Is it good for you?
Most of us here are rationalists. We don't assume someone is deluded unless they make grand claims and fail to produce proof/results.
If you are here to save us, why hold back? We would all be more than happy if you could clean the oceans, save our ecosystem, bring world peace, end mass suffering, etc.
But the fact is, this forums, in addition to attracting psychonauts and those who are curious, attracts those who want to exploit the psychedelic culture. And people here are vigilant of that sort of thing because it happens with some degree of frequency.
P.S I hope you don't take anything I said with any harshness or disdain. Sometimes, trying to find common ground is a rough process. And, sometimes, we need to hear things we don't want to hear.
I have no judgement of any ill will towards you and I don't believe anyone else does. We are all just trying to find a common platform where we can discuss concepts with each other not past each other.
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Don’t shy away OP. Just keep on keeping on. I enjoi reading your threads.
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Holding out on us, eh?
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I have yet to finish reading this post but the quotes from the book of job are hilarious. A book where God's adversary, satan (verb) tells god, "i bet i can make job turn from you." God, "i bet not, do what ever you want but don't kill him."
I mean its a good moral story no? nah, mostly just totalitarian nonsense.
continue reading...
Talk about cherry picking.
Edit: monroe vs job?????????????????????? final edit: man, this shit is bumming me out. Too bad we can just rain down good happy thoughts for people.
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for someone who is leaving us in the dust because of our poor receptivity to Vylie's extra special psychic radiance, she is surging forth with revised meanings and more personally packaged historical factoids.
2 days ago I thought it was finally over. Empty threats, maybe we were never hostages in the first place.
history must not yet be in a properly edited into an acceptible state - i.e. the way Vylie likes it, for her to leave in dignity.
have we seen this pattern before? everyone is special, right? it could take a few thousand posts.
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Is this what tripping every day looks like? Gigantic entitlement and narcissism?
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i recommend in your ever expansive wisdom to use google for a definition.
The rhetoric being used here is not healthy. You are obviously on a messianic ego mania episode, probably not helped by the introduction of psilocybin. You mentioned how this shit doesnt make sense while you are sober...
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I'll make it easy for you:
Narcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.
So pretty much everything you've posted in this thread and at least 1 other that I have seen.
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Vylie said: So this is what you grasped while I’ve been trying to tell people to look into themselves, find the answers inside, let the fear go, free their mind from the lies that pull them to the ground, and realize they deserve and can get much more from the Universe than how it seems.
Why do you assume these are novel ideas? If you were truly wise, you would start first by LISTENING to people before trying to "tell them" anything.
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What do you think of the original buddhist school ideas such as below? And do you know of advaita vedanta/patanjali yoga sutras? The yoga sutras and commentaries often go into depth on such subjects of extrasensory perception and how to obtain it although it is generally considered a hindrance to "complete enlightenment" for most people.
Here are some of my older posts before I really started deep diving into older philosophical treatises of buddhist and hindu texts sort of an completely unguided exploration of psychedelic states. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22391042#22391042 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22071928#22071928 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22072552#22072552 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22000899#22000899
Æscension implies a transmigration into a higher or better states of being. What else could be better than to never be stuck in misery/suffering again?
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name and form are conditions for consciousness. Consciousness is a condition for name and form. Name and form are conditions for contact. Contact is a condition for feeling. Feeling is a condition for craving. Craving is a condition for grasping. Grasping is a condition for continued existence. Continued existence is a condition for rebirth. Rebirth is a condition for old age and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress to come to be. That is how this entire mass of suffering originates.
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Rebirth is suffering; old age is suffering; death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress are suffering; association with the disliked is suffering; separation from the liked is suffering; not getting what you wish for is suffering. In brief, the five grasping aggregates are suffering.
And what is rebirth? The rebirth, inception, conception, reincarnation, manifestation of the sets of phenomena, and acquisition of the sense fields of the various sentient beings in the various orders of sentient beings. This is called rebirth.
And what is old age? The old age, decrepitude, broken teeth, grey hair, wrinkly skin, diminished vitality, and failing faculties of the various sentient beings in the various orders of sentient beings. This is called old age.
And what is death? The passing away, perishing, disintegration, demise, mortality, death, decease, breaking up of the aggregates, laying to rest of the corpse, and cutting off of the life faculty of the various sentient beings in the various orders of sentient beings. This is called death.
And what is sorrow? The sorrow, sorrowing, state of sorrow, inner sorrow, inner deep sorrow in someone who has undergone misfortune, who has experienced suffering. This is called sorrow.
And what is lamentation? The wail, lament, wailing, lamenting, state of wailing and lamentation in someone who has undergone misfortune, who has experienced suffering. This is called lamentation.
And what is pain? Physical pain, physical displeasure, the painful, unpleasant feeling that’s born from physical contact. This is called pain.
And what is sadness? Mental pain, mental displeasure, the painful, unpleasant feeling that’s born from mental contact. This is called sadness.
And what is distress? The stress, distress, state of stress and distress in someone who has undergone misfortune, who has experienced suffering. This is called distress.
And what is meant by ‘association with the disliked is suffering’? There are sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touches, and thoughts that are unlikable, undesirable, and disagreeable. And there are those who want to harm, injure, disturb, and threaten you. The coming together with these, the joining, inclusion, mixing with them: this is what is meant by ‘association with the disliked is suffering’.
And what is meant by ‘separation from the liked is suffering’? There are sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touches, and thoughts that are likable, desirable, and agreeable. And there are those who want to benefit, help, comfort, and protect you. The division from these, the disconnection, segregation, and parting from them: this is what is meant by ‘separation from the liked is suffering’.
And what is meant by ‘not getting what you wish for is suffering’? In sentient beings who are liable to be reborn, such a wish arises: ‘Oh, if only we were not liable to be reborn! If only rebirth would not come to us!’ But you can’t get that by wishing. This is what is meant by ‘not getting what you wish for is suffering.’ In sentient beings who are liable to grow old … fall ill … die … experience sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress, such a wish arises: ‘Oh, if only we were not liable to experience sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress! If only sorrow, lamentation, pain, sadness, and distress would not come to us!’ But you can’t get that by wishing. This is what is meant by ‘not getting what you wish for is suffering.’
And what is meant by ‘in brief, the five grasping aggregates are suffering’? They are the grasping aggregates that consist of form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. This is what is meant by ‘in brief, the five grasping aggregates are suffering’.
This is called the noble truth of suffering.
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And what is the noble truth of the origin of suffering?
It’s the craving that leads to future rebirth, mixed up with relishing and greed, looking for enjoyment in various different realms. That is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for continued existence, and craving to end existence.
But where does that craving arise and where does it settle? Whatever in the world seems nice and pleasant, it is there that craving arises and settles.
And what in the world seems nice and pleasant? The eye in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles. The ear … nose … tongue … body … mind in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Sights … sounds … smells … tastes … touches … thoughts in the world seem nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Eye consciousness … ear consciousness … nose consciousness … tongue consciousness … body consciousness … mind consciousness in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Eye contact … ear contact … nose contact … tongue contact … body contact … mind contact in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Feeling born of eye contact … feeling born of ear contact … feeling born of nose contact … feeling born of tongue contact … feeling born of body contact … feeling born of mind contact in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Perception of sights … perception of sounds … perception of smells … perception of tastes … perception of touches … perception of thoughts in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Intention regarding sights … intention regarding sounds … intention regarding smells … intention regarding tastes … intention regarding touches … intention regarding thoughts in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Craving for sights … craving for sounds … craving for smells … craving for tastes … craving for touches … craving for thoughts in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Thoughts about sights … thoughts about sounds … thoughts about smells … thoughts about tastes … thoughts about touches … thoughts about thoughts in the world seem nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
Considerations regarding sights … considerations regarding sounds … considerations regarding smells … considerations regarding tastes … considerations regarding touches … considerations regarding thoughts in the world seem nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving arises and settles.
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And what is the noble truth of the cessation of suffering?
It’s the fading away and cessation of that very same craving with nothing left over; giving it away, letting it go, releasing it, and not adhering to it.
Whatever in the world seems nice and pleasant, it is there that craving is given up and ceases.
And what in the world seems nice and pleasant? The eye in the world seems nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving is given up and ceases. …
Considerations regarding thoughts in the world seem nice and pleasant, and it is there that craving is given up and ceases.
This is called the noble truth of the cessation of suffering.
And what is the noble truth of the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering?
It is simply this noble eightfold path, that is: right view, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right immersion. {[Cut short to be being really long already]}
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Hmm man with a plan.
Is misery and suffering only part of the lower plains of existence? How can we quantify other levels?
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Who's making blood contracts?
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