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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27002137 - 10/25/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it happens as less destruction
for example not doing drugs
that is one of the main things we need to awaken to
recovey means recovery of behavior
the self is the behaviour
to become better one needs to do better
that's the whole thing maybe
raising the quality of one's behavior
like fixing the garden
like getting it all in order
it helps on the short term because consciousness is defined by behavior
it helps in the long term because you do better
that is why we call it do better
you meditate more or paint better you will get better and get it better
positive action facilitates recovery
negative action hinders it
and bettering
for example of the self
and getting it better
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie] 2
#27004222 - 10/26/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you for your reply. Some thoughts below on your response:
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Vylie said: When I started reading your post, a response popped up in my mind. Later, you wrote something that put it in another perspective.
There are several reasons I might take my experiences literally. One of them is I decided to do so.
I understand and I think everyone is completely in agreement with your right to do so. The problem is, the general population shares a world. We cannot take our visions, dreams, metaphysical experiences, etc literally because then we may be dysfunctional in the world.
For example, say I have a vision that I am descendant from an omniscient race of extra-dimensional beings. And I take that literally, thus I spread that belief far and wide. I allow it to affect my day to day life, forgoing food, for example, being extra-dimensional beings do not need three-dimensional sustenance. Or I go further and am unemployable and cannot make a living on my own because I believe in my dominion, as this super being, over all of these lower dimensional creatures.
Not to say that, perhaps, my vision isn't true. But, should I participate in the social contract of the outside world, I need to temper my beliefs and accommodate the society, to some degree, even if their beliefs don't completely line up with mine. And to do so, I can't choose to take things literally that have no basis in the "reality" of our shared society (based on physics). Or more accurately, I can think and feel as I want but I need to accept the consequences doing so.
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Vylie said: Another reason is that I saw dozens or maybe a hundred things during the trips I’ve never heard about and didn’t think of, only to find them described in books and religions word by word. It was not one or two details. When I say maybe more than a hundred, I choose my words well.
I understand this. However, I feel it can be considered in two different ways.
1) As previously mentioned, The Collective Unconscious, or something similar to it in theory, could explain this phenomenon. Perhaps we draw from that collective pool of knowledge/visions whenever we enter states of altered consciousness.
2) Subliminal messaging. Throughout our lives, especially in childhood, we are imprinted upon greatly by the external world. Many bits of information that, alone, seem irrelevant, come together to form ideas, views and perceptions. While we may not remember seeing something, we may have been exposed to the information of it in the background of our lives and, when our mind needed or wanted to put the pieces together, it did and we had an experience that came seemingly out of nowhere (but was just an amalgamation of information that we slowly gathered over time).
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Vylie said: Also, I saw many things I wouldn’t have considered my interests in life before the trips. I saw a few details that were rejected by me all my life, but now they fit with the rest of it.
Trips can be unbelievably powerful. They can change the way we think, thus making us interested in things we may never have liked or rekindling an interest we may have lost. As I've stated previously, myself and most others here are absolutely convinced of the reality of the psychedelic experience and the impressions that it leaves. This is a psychedelic forum after all, just about all of us here have psychedelics in our sphere of reality as much as anything else in our lives.
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Vylie said: I was not interested in dragons, yet my trips were full of them from the beginning. Their role has been unfolding step by step. Egyptian Gods were also outside my interest before the mushrooms. Lately, meeting them is a part of almost every trip. I believe I know why.
There is yet to be a comprehensive picture of the human mind. Our minds manifest the most incredible things in our dreams and trips. Those manifestations can be as simple as a problem in our lives being projected as a fantastical illusion for us to work with for a solution. Not to say that this is the only or even the right explanation, but it is one that is, to some degree, established in the world of psychoanalysis (and its various evolutions in the field of psychology).
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Vylie said: Only after I started seeing these entities, and I saw myself as one of them, I did the research. It turned out I met them in situations that made sense in 100% should I have had the related knowledge. But I didn’t have it. So, why would I hallucinate logical and consistent details without the related knowledge?
For example, why would I meet Anput during a trip that started with a question about destruction if I never knew she existed? But we met, and she wasn’t happy. Out of 150 trips, she came during the single one when I asked about the destruction that would have interfered with her “duties”.
I see only two logical answers. There might be more yet to find.
One of the answers is that they are all real.
The other one is, as you mentioned, the Collective Unconscious.
And this is interesting. I agree with your analysis. It is a wonder that certain "Gods" or forms manifest to the mind with the appropriate correlates. If the collective unconscious exists, it would explain why someone who does not know the Ares could see him in a vision about war, because the collective unconscious has this information independent of any human mind.
It could also be, as stated above, that a person heard about it, was exposed to a bit of information, that they never thought relevant to remember (but their mind kept it). And, even though they forgot hearing briefly about Ares that one time during a lecture, their mind kept that information and it subsequently manifested to them during a state of altered consciousness some years down the line.
The other option, as you've said, is that they are real. I don't think anyone disputes that they are real. I think what is being disputed is HOW they are real. Carl Jung is real. He is the spirit of his words. He is contained within his books, lectures etc. But no one would say that he is, at this time, a biologically living entity. He was, but he is no longer.
Or look at greek mythological figures. They are real. They manifest in the myths and legends that seem to survive indefinitely. They are as real as the space now occupied by Carl Jung. The entirety of their being now exists in words. But the Greek Gods are generally considered to be exclusively metaphysical, they have never had physical incarnations. If that is true, it doesn't take away from their reality. Clearly, whatever the Greek Gods were, their survival in mythology and language proves how real they were, even if they never had physical forms.
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Vylie said: The Collective Unconscious seems a perfect explanation of all the above. It also fits with the impression I had on mushroom/pharma, saying that the rest of the world is my subconscious.
The term usually attributed for that belief (the bolded part), at least in philosophy, is solipsism. And from a neural standpoint, it is somewhat true (the world is generated by your brain from external stimuli received by your receptors, i.e vision, hearing touch etc). But if we believe there is an outside world providing the necessary stimuli for many of our perceptions, then the world can't be just your subconscious. It must consist of some combination of the two. And if the world contains more than your subconscious, specifically something external to you, then there must be some semblance of a shared reality in that world that is separate from your subconscious. Thus, it goes back to the distinction between the Metaphysical and the Physical spaces.
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Vylie said: If the Collective Unconscious exists, and it explains what I saw on my trips, then they are as real as planet Earth. I don’t mean it metaphysically real. I mean, they are reachable.
I think we all agree there. But the locomotion to reaching it is wildly different. We cannot drive a car to the psychedelic world just like we cannot take mushrooms to transport our physical bodies across the country. They are real. They are reachable. But they occupy different spaces. I picture it like a Venn Diagram. The Physical and the Metaphysical worlds are, mostly, completely separate in location from each other. But there is a space where they converge (namely, in our world, psychedelics, meditation etc).
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Vylie said: If we accept the Collective Unconscious, we must admit it has thousands of references to the process called Ascension. All world religions have it. In addition, there are movies like Lucy, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, the Stargate series. As for the Matrix, I believe the machines are not human-built AI but an alien invasion. Just look at what kind of machines humans can build in the Matrix. They didn’t even have an auto-aim system. The best thing they could make was a giant washing machine. They fought the war with almost bare hands.
What are the religions telling us (in addition to tons of lies)? What are the movies telling us (with fewer lies)?
I agree on the point of "ascension". Religion, alchemy, the collective unconscious, etc have plenty of references to ideas of "ascension" or "transcending". It seems to be a human trait brought upon by our realizations of our limits and the incredible formulations of thoughts about transcending those limits (whether physical or otherwise).
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Vylie said: I see this reality as a hardened version of the game called Room. The extra challenge is that you aren’t aware of the game.
I'm not familiar with this. What is the premise of the game?
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Vylie said: Am I sure? I’m not. So what?
If I took my trips literally, and I was wrong, I would be a bit disappointed at some point. My trips are still better than most of the alternatives.
What do you mean your trips are better than the alternatives? Alternatives meaning "regular" life? If so, there is as much awe and wonder in sitting in a field watching squirrels play as there is in the eloquent scenes of psychedelic manifestation. Beauty is everywhere and it is not only contained in grand visions. Why does the vision of an extra-dimensional war between ancient Gods have any more significance than the perception of a dandelion glistening from the rising sun?
There is nothing disappointing in what we refer to as the "simple things" in life. Both the "simple" and the "grand" are equally important.
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Vylie said: The only sane reaction is learning everything and doing everything I can. I’m not saying it’s the only rational reaction to every psychedelic experience. It is the only one to my experiences.
Everyone agrees with you there. And I'm sure you know that in that process one also must fall back, from time to time, onto the Socratic notion of
"All i know is that I know nothing"
or better conceptualized as the idea of healthy skepticism.
But we are all in agreement there, the pursuit of knowledge is an admirable goal (and thus the development of wisdom through observation, skepticism, experience and sharing in the collective knowledge).
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Vylie said: I’m not trying to help others because I’m such a good person. I don’t feel like the messiah. My dark side is larger than the Moon’s, and I embrace it.
I feel that defines most people. We all have an unexplored dark side and most of us are far from the conceptualization of a "God", whatever that might include.
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Vylie said: I’m trying to help others because there is a high chance you are all me. In other words, I’m trying to help myself every way I can.
If it turns out that you are not me and I still helped you, that’s also fine. I could most likely help only those I would be happy to see elevated to other realities.
And we are happy to share and discuss in your wisdom. You bring much to the table and have seen/experienced much which we can learn from. But, the fact is, there is a wider range of people with an even wider range of experiences on this website and, although we all want to help each other in whatever way we can, we most successfully do that by sharing our experiences and not assuming we have the truth and everyone else doesn't (even if we believe our truth is ultimate, it is best to foster discussion around it).
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Vylie said: I’m here either to show you it’s possible to get to a higher state by doing it in front of you, or because sometimes I like to torture myself, or both.
And we welcome you to the community and want to watch you manifest as much as we participate in the manifestation of others.
Please note, my words are my manifestation of a "healthy dose of skepticism". I am curious about your experience but, as different human minds do, we must find common ground to explore our exclusive and, simultaneously inclusive, realities.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27004488 - 10/26/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just watched the video and I thought it was beautiful.
I've never seen the video before now but have been familiar with the concept of the "cosmic egg" and the other notions expressed in the video.
And, in the belief that "We are one", I absolutely agree.
But to look at it and think that I am you is missing the fact that you are me and neither of us is the other because there is no "us" from an egoic point of view. Neither your form nor my form is "the" form. We are both just expressions of something else beyond ourselves.
Or at least that's the idea in the video.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27004515 - 10/26/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie, have you looked into what Teal Swan has to say about entities and thought forms? She explains a lot of esoteric and metaphysical concepts, ghosts, angels , entities etc and goes out of body every night learning about truths in the universe. Really breaks down higher dimensional concepts and cleared up a lot of things for me
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Socrateshroom] 1
#27004611 - 10/26/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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[I think we all agree there. But the locomotion to reaching it is wildly different. We cannot drive a car to the psychedelic world just like we cannot take mushrooms to transport our physical bodies across the country. They are real. They are reachable. But they occupy different spaces. I picture it like a Venn Diagram. The Physical and the Metaphysical worlds are, mostly, completely separate in location from each other. But there is a space where they converge (namely, in our world, psychedelics, meditation etc).
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First of all, kudos on a very well worded post! Enjoyed reading it.
I like the quoted part especially. That is a very straight forward and good description of how I view things. I think the implications of this is quite clear, as I stated in earlier posts: experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry. I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone. It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health och spiritual "progress" either.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: rustygrape]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Malkuthian said: I like the quoted part especially. That is a very straight forward and good description of how I view things. I think the implications of this is quite clear, as I stated in earlier posts: experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry. I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone. It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health or spiritual "progress" either.

Thank You!
I believe you hit it right on the head
I don't think the outcome of existing in one part of the Venn Diagram, with your mind stuck in the other part, is useful to anyone.
It's not useful for someone in their co-existence with the "common" world, and its not useful for the individual's mental health or spiritual "progress" either.
And your solution as well
experiences needs to be grounded upon re-entry.
I think the consequences of not grounding upon re-entry is that the person becomes stuck in the "transcendental world" and because that space is so limitless as compared to the physical world, they may fail to function in this "everyday" world.
And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
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Socrateshroom said: Or at least that's the idea in the video.
If we suppose (for the sake of thinking) that everything in the video is true, then there is a quite cruel consequence. None of the commenters mentioned it though.
Do you see it?
I'm not sure if I see what you see. (Although I'd like to hear about what you're thinking)
The consequence I envision is that the "individual" is just a tool for some other greater entity to mature.
So everything I feel, all of my darkest struggles and most glorious triumphs, mean nothing in the face of my eventual reincarnation and perpetual recycling within reality.
Although, if that's the case, I don't actually see it that way. Because I am a part of that entity that is growing. It manifesting as me, although just for the sake of growing in its own right, is still manifesting something real in me.
So I actually would find it comforting. That the fears of my oppressive ego are all a lie, and that I really am, if I may put it in a metaphor, one mycelial strand in a world of mushrooms.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27004690 - 10/26/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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HUGE those many rooms and bridges and roadways! cafe's, and I'm in Greece again!
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Socrateshroom said: And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
That is also very true, and an important perspective to raise. Especially since this is a lot more common than people being stuck on the other side!
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian] 1
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as I said this thread should really be in the mysticism section. anybody ready to move it?
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Socrateshroom said: I'm not sure if I see what you see. (Although I'd like to hear about what you're thinking)
The consequence I envision is that the "individual" is just a tool for some other greater entity to mature.
If the video is true, either humanity must extinct or the egg will never hatch.
Right. But humanity doesn't even exist in the context of the video, it is just something generated by these entities. And thus, its extinction is akin to a T.V show ending. The "people" in the show don't cease to exist, their manifestation in the show does. But they continue as something else (their person rather than their T.V character). So humanity continues as the manifestation of the cosmic egg rather than being expressed as it is currently.
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Socrateshroom said: And we see the opposite a lot, where people get completely stuck in the "physical" world and shun all metaphysical possibility. They are usually consumed by the ego as the ego wants us to believe that the only thing that is, is what the limited view of the ego can show us.
That is also very true, and an important perspective to raise. Especially since this is a lot more common than people being stuck on the other side!
Absolutely. I'd say that is the primary mode of our world, the Physical. And materialism is the overwhelming majority in our world (even the standard religions are "materialist" in their manifestations).
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redgreenvines said: as I said this thread should really be in the mysticism section. anybody ready to move it?
I think this thread tows the line. Mysticism can be seen as an expression of the psychedelic experience. But I think there's enough rational thought and objections here that make it reasonable to stay. (Not that it really matters where the thread ends up I guess).
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Having been civil and interested in fostering intelligent discussion, irregardless of our disagreements, I felt the need to share some thoughts on your recent post.
Please note, I am just presenting some straightforward thoughts (at times in the defense of my fellow shroomerites) without judgement or emotion. So if anything I say seems a little harsh, please understand that this is not my intention. My intention is always to foster discussion and try to bring upon common ground. And, sometimes, that requires stronger words.
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Vylie said: Every time I read "hallucinated" or "integrate", I feel an increasing motivation to call in an alien invasion.
1) I think you are taking it the wrong way. Hallucinations are not something to be insulted over on a forum about psychedelics. We all have visions/hallucinations on and/or from psychedelics (that is, for many, one of the motivations for taking them). Most people did not say that to you maliciously. They are just trying to bridge the gap between you and them by conceptualizing a reason for why you are having the experience(s) that you are.
2) Why does the word "integrate" have a negative connotation to you. Whether it be a psychedelic experience, or just a regular experience, integration is a useful and necessary part of life. We "integrate" our various experiences into our being so that they can be useful to us. If we just "had" experiences but never integrated them into our whole, we would go through life blind, repeating the same mistakes or being trapped in the same loops because we never integrated anything.
I don't think there is anything malicious when another shroomerite uses that jargon.
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Vylie said: I feel an increasing motivation to call in an alien invasion. Not that I remember how to do it. I don’t. I didn’t even try. It would take me a while to get there.
I remember how it looks like. It’s not like in the movies. They don’t need a spaceship, spacesuits, or weapons. Some of them are the same size as the Moon. Gravity doesn’t affect them. The only reason it takes more than one second is that they want to see people trying to fight.
I think this is about where you lost me. You're "threatening" people with the prospect of extra-dimensional obliteration?
I'm all about respect and civility, and I'm trying my best to consider the concepts you propose without judgement, but I don't even know what to make of this. I don't believe people have the power to do such a thing. The world would be empty if people could obliterate each other by summoning extra-dimensional creatures to do their bidding.
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Vylie said: Or I could stop visiting this website. It’s far the biggest problem in my life now. In a way, it’s the only one. But I would miss those who have something intelligent to say.
To be fair, looking through your posts, most everyone has shown you respect and has been eager to discuss with you the concepts you propose.......up until you started to tell people that you were above them and that they don't know anything but you hold all of the secrets.
Now I'm not saying you are wrong. Perhaps you really have been exposed to the secrets of the universe. But can you see how putting people down and acting like a "God" might incite resistance from people?
We see it in the world. We imagine "God" (whatever that means conceptually) to be egoless. You give "God" an ego you get a tyrant (a.k.a A politician or a person with power who has an ego usually manifests as a tyrant). So people are just reacting to being told that they are lesser things and that they don't know anything the same way you are reacting when people tell you that your insight is all a result of hallucination.
And, not to sound crass, but if the forum is your biggest problem, you have it easy. People are having unbelievable struggles in their lives, both physical and existential, and people disagreeing with them online doesn't even crack the top million of their worries.
And, I enjoy the intellectual rigor and challenge of conversing with you. I think I learn a lot about the concepts you propose, and a lot about myself in the process. So I'd like you to remain. But, frankly, the saying is true. You need tough skin online. Because people can be absolutely evil behind the veil of anonymity (although, to be fair, I have not seen any public posts of users being disrespectful towards you, just expressing disagreement). But if the forums are really weighing on you, and it would be beneficial for you to leave, I would hope you would take whatever action necessary to foster your mental, spiritual and/or physical health.
But again, I enjoy the rigor of our conversations.
Note: I can't speak of what you may be experiencing in private messages. I hope you are not being harassed in that way by others.
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Vylie said: Telling me here that I hallucinated is like running into every church on sight, and shouting it in the middle, "You are wrong. God does not exist!"
The difference here is that you, willingly, posted on this forum. That means you were open to discussion. With that comes the high probability that someone will disagree with you and present their case. And it also comes with the possibility of ridicule. It isn't right but that is just the truth of the internet and the risks we take when sharing our ideas.
In your church example, the church is self-contained when giving mass or when gathering within it. If the church was forcing itself into people's homes, or if it presented its rhetoric on an open forum, the same things would happen. That is why churches and such operate the way they do. In a private space where, if someone doesn't agree with their beliefs, doesn't need to attend.
The shroomery forums are a public forum. Posting here means running into a wide range of people, some who may not share your beliefs and attempt to rebut you.
But that's the beauty of a public forum vs. a private one. Most private "forums" are just echo chambers where only those who are part of that particular hive mind can go and/or are accepted.
The shroomery accepts everyone. But it doesn't require everyone to agree.
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Vylie said: It’s not okay that I spend half of my trip thinking about these nonsense posts. It’s not about who is right and who is wrong. It’s about how much sense it makes to say it.
If I can’t talk about it here, where can I?
You can absolutely talk about it here. We welcome you to make posts, have discussions and the like.
BUT, there should be no expectation that others will agree or understand what you are presenting. I think this is where the disconnect comes from.
You can always offer proof, tangible proof, and that will sway people easily (because most on here are both rational and open).
But saying that you saw something is not tangible proof. And people will argue with you over the validity of your claims, unless you provide them with proof of your position.
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Vylie said: In addition to "personal" advantage, I could use the knowledge I’m regaining to find a way to save your planet, clean the oceans, regrow the Amazonas, and stop the fire. I could do these before I go somewhere else to play.
It takes me a while to make my body ready for that.
Again, this is where there is a disconnect for me. You keep referring to yourself as above us, above this world. That you can save it, that you can save us.
But a "God" doesn't hold back saving the world. It is only once the ego enters the picture that a benevolent entity would think to hold back out of spite.
And there are people out there doing unbelievable labor to actual clean the oceans, save the rainforests, etc.
If that is something within your power to do, then why not do it? Why not show us this power? No one would question you then.
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Vylie said: Let’s face it. If we skip the alien invasion, still, you all die in at most 20 years. It’s not 100 years. It’s not 50. And what kind of life is that with viruses, hurricanes, fire?
You wouldn’t really die, but you don’t know that, do you?
Just because I fooled myself in this world, you don’t need to be stupid.
You can tell me, I hallucinated. Fine. Save yourself. Good luck.
Or you can leave me to have a bit of fun here. I don’t need you to believe in me. Not at all. It makes it a lot of fun that you don’t.
Just stop telling me crap that’s like white noise.
But again, with all due respect, you are unsettled when others don't agree with you.
No one is trying to stop your fun. We want you to enjoy this life, this world, and add to the collective knowledge.
People just have opinions about your ideas. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe not. But no one is out to stop you from living your life. We are just participating in a public forum here.
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Vylie said: And then, maybe there is a chance I figure it out how to solve this mess before you boil up.
Today, I got a message through "angelic numbers" that I should help you.
You can tell me it’s also craziness or delusion.
Do you want me to believe that? Is it good for you?
Most of us here are rationalists. We don't assume someone is deluded unless they make grand claims and fail to produce proof/results.
If you are here to save us, why hold back? We would all be more than happy if you could clean the oceans, save our ecosystem, bring world peace, end mass suffering, etc.
But the fact is, this forums, in addition to attracting psychonauts and those who are curious, attracts those who want to exploit the psychedelic culture. And people here are vigilant of that sort of thing because it happens with some degree of frequency.
P.S I hope you don't take anything I said with any harshness or disdain. Sometimes, trying to find common ground is a rough process. And, sometimes, we need to hear things we don't want to hear.
I have no judgement of any ill will towards you and I don't believe anyone else does. We are all just trying to find a common platform where we can discuss concepts with each other not past each other.
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Edited by Socrateshroom (10/28/20 08:18 AM)
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Vylie
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LosTresOjos
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
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Oh man. this has a been a trip all on its own here.
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The Blind Ass
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: LosTresOjos] 1
#27009904 - 10/29/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don’t shy away OP. Just keep on keeping on. I enjoi reading your threads.
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