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Vylie
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#26999891 - 10/23/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26999896 - 10/23/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malkuthian
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000139 - 10/23/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie said: First question. How do we know when one is not spiritually superior? Is there an accurate and exclusive description of a spiritually superior person? Do they have to be like Gandhi or the Dalai Lama or Bill Gates?
I meant how do the person himself know if he reached a spiritual goal or just fooled himself into thinking he has. It's the self-distance issue I'm pointing out. Many people are claiming they have made spiritual progress. Is it automatically true every time if the person himself feels it?
(I would think one of the biggest things to master when it comes to personal development is self-distancing, self awareness).
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Vylie said: Let’s say a person starts telling you they are God in a scenario when you don’t have the same belief about yourself.
Let’s suppose you knew the person for a while before they told you that, and you didn't consider them a full braindead idiot.
If the person is not a braindead idiot, there is a chance they are right. It might be a small chance but it’s above zero.
The only case you can know it for sure that they are not God is when you are God in your "almighty" all-in version. In any other case, you cannot know it.
I would assume the person is having a highly personal experience that he hopefully will digest into something tangible upon re-entry, and let him finish his experience without disturbing him with questions posed for my own gain.
And if the behavior would continue after re-entry, I would think (not tell) the person he's wrong and try to guide him out of it.
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Vylie said: The vast majority of people try to pull down everyone who seems or feels to be above them. They do it to feel better and justify their state.
Well, the vast majority of people claiming spiritual superiority have simply just lost their marbles, so that would be a fair deal... And anyone who actually has achieved anything, should not need to be bothered by the peasants trying to put him down...
And finally I would like to state: Healthy criticism is a thing.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27000227 - 10/23/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Futility
third eye fell off a truck. splatt!
ascension of senseless post counts
whatever.
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LosTresOjos
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Oh yeah, i'll show you futility: To be a spiritual person one must not allow themselves to fall victim to other peoples ideologies. People will find comfort in their eternal solitude and form their own opinions based on their experience and there is very little that can shake that kind of mental foundation.
I think it was mckenna who said once, "I'm cool enough to know, when some one tells me i'm not, that their full of shit."
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27000489 - 10/23/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malkuthian
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Vylie said: I understood what you meant. What I wanted to point out in a subtle way that in your question I see it more important for you to prove the person is wrong than to give yourself a chance to attain something amazing.
I don't think you understand, because you are constantly shifting the focus to the observer... I was not talking about how to "handle" the self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened. I was talking about how the self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened "handle" themselves. I don't see why you focus so much on the observer.
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redgreenvines said: Futility
third eye fell off a truck. splatt!
ascension of senseless post counts
whatever.
...Speaking of senseless posts?
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Vylie
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27000828 - 10/24/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000840 - 10/24/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000879 - 10/24/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie said: I’m telling them not to listen to such things that you are saying.
Then you are giving them extremely bad advice.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27000900 - 10/24/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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after a very very very long time without psychedelics I found myself to be almost asleep
this sais alot about psychedelics
it describes them god
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Vylie
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27000903 - 10/24/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000937 - 10/24/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie said: You are talking about "handling" the "self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened" people. You are suggesting there is something wrong with them thus they should be handled.
Didn't I just write a post explaining that this is precisely what I'm not trying to do?
I'm simply suggesting that if a person (me or someone else) has an experience that could, according to the person having the experience, be considered a spiritual epiphany or similar, that person, for his own sake, ought to put some effort into integrating the experience with his previously known existence, thereby grounding the insights and avoiding wandering down a negative path caused by the lack of... let's say existential cohesion or contextual coherence.
This is not a description of how persons in such situations should be handled, it's a description of how they should handle themselves. The difference is kinda essential to what I'm saying.
I think its quite healthy advice to suggest one should not be to quick overestimating insights. Insights need perspective and context. I will not accept that suggesting to put effort into that is a bad thing. Frankly I'm quite appalled that someone would consider that bad advice.
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Vylie said: If being "self-acclaimed spiritually enlightened" is wrong, then who should acclaim enlightened people? You? A jury? Archangel Michael? Or maybe there should be an online quiz for it since COVID doesn’t allow organizing properly-acclaimed-enlightenment certification ceremonies.
Did I say that was wrong? No I didn't. Your making stuff up.
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Vylie said: In this case, we are talking about an authority who has the right and the position to declare who is enlightened and who is not.
Who is talking about an authority that declares who is enlightened? That's pure madness. I hadn't even thought of that until you just wrote it. Your making stuff up again.
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Vylie said: It’s an ancient story. It’s pulling others down to the ground in the name of the "healthy criticism". Its shorter term is hell.
That is not, in any way, a reasonable interpretation of what I have written. Your intellectually dishonesty becoming more and more apparent.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Vylie]
#27000998 - 10/24/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah. I often see trippy things and patterns that I'm not consciously thinking of when I lay in bed. It's like a mood that sometimes comes on and makes me feel trippy. On most high dose trips I see things that feel far more real than sober reality and I used to have trouble deciding whether to believe what I'm experiencing or not. First my world view was shattered and I believed the things I saw were real, then I forced myself to believe they weren't but were still amazing. Now I can't tell for sure anymore, I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27001082 - 10/24/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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the Vylie you are composing responses for is not engaged in the topic, just with emitting self laudatory comments. (like Trump, you can heap praise, or just heap, any press is good press, and all press is for losers)
Spirituality requires no acclaim or validation, It is the most functional way of being natural, and does not draw attention to itself.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27001159 - 10/24/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Turvenuija]
#27001166 - 10/24/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Malkuthian
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redgreenvines said: the Vylie you are composing responses for is not engaged in the topic, just with emitting self laudatory comments. (like Trump, you can heap praise, or just heap, any press is good press, and all press is for losers)
Spirituality requires no acclaim or validation, It is the most functional way of being natural, and does not draw attention to itself.
I could not agree more.
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Re: Third eye, ascension, whatever [Re: Malkuthian]
#27001293 - 10/24/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Vylie is also carrying a lot of baggage, and these forums are an outlet for her pain. Which is the main thing she is interested in. pain - torment - the more ouch the more real.
honesty can become that kind of experience, but to recover from self inflicted pain with honesty is a great awakening indeed.
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This whole this seems so alien to me. What must one do in order to have autonomy within the society and yet consume psilocybin so regularly.
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