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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26988982 - 10/16/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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mintyfresh said: Thanks for explaining that. The tubs seem WAY easier than what I was doing with the cakes. Very interested how hers will turn out as well as my own. Mine would have been its 2nd flush - so hoping they're not "spent" yet.
I agree with Roger on Shoe boxes, was going to suggest that. For starters I'd do 3 or 4 of those rather than one tub, for the reason Roger mentioned. Also because if one is contamed you don't lose the whole grow.
with syringes It's common to get contam.
Regarding old threads, contams, and more, I recommend reading the noob link in my sig line. Also a lot on basic contam prevention, more than just PC and SAB here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26976334
Your images are small and don't open on click, so can't tell if that's contam, mycelium, or both. But if you have some mycelium, using successive agar isolation is good. I'm assuming that's what you meant by using agar. And it's good practice for working with agar. I started working with agar from my first tub, and now have two more grows in works (while doing my experiment in the OP of this thread.)
I have one grow where I went from mycelium on my first grow to agar to grain to coir/ verm. Just saw my first fruit (a side pin, but still, it's exciting):

Also took some mycelium from that same agar, made LC for 10 days, poured on grain, just saw my first mycelium on that yesterday.
I've been busy since early July. I figure why not do as much as I can at the same time.
Agar, Grain, coir, and verm aren't very expensive, and I this hobby always has more to learn, and the end result is shrooms.
Glad to hear you're already doing agar, even if because of contam. I think that's a good move.
If you have some syringe liquid left, maybe also try another side grow, going from syringe liquid into agar to grain, or syringe to agar to LC to grain. Hell, do both.
I'm a noob but I'm not recommending anything I haven't done.
Yea, the pix I tried to add were frustrating so I just kinda left it as is. It looks white and ropey - doesn't looks suspicious to me at all. I've read the link you added. Thanks though. I'll probably end up reading it again. I've definitely read many articles more than once. I've read all of the suggested stickies a couple times. I'm just a hands on learner. Reading something doesn't really click for me until I'm doing it. I bought a crap ton of mason jars today, 3 different types of grain. I'm going to try some different setups and see what I think of them, just using the stuff I have at the moment.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: mintyfresh] 1
#26988983 - 10/16/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: Adding coir won’t really add any nutrition at all. I don’t think mixing new coir with spent sub will do anything productive but you never know, and trying to add in grain or nutrient broth or whatever wouldn’t go well I’d think. ....
I'm fine with sidetracking to help someone new, hell, I'm doing it and it's really what the OP thread is about, with me being the noob.
But will ask Roger and anyone else with lots of experience: what SHOULD I add? Grain? Potting soil? Peat? All of those?
If I really want to bring a spent grow back from the dead as an experiment, what FOOD does it need, if verm and coir are more physical support / water retainers than food?
And can I add it to one of my existing experiment shoeboxes. Or maybe add it and make one into two shoeboxes?
Thank you!
Maybe something pasteurized, like straw with alfalfa as sup.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26988997 - 10/16/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: Adding coir won’t really add any nutrition at all. I don’t think mixing new coir with spent sub will do anything productive but you never know, and trying to add in grain or nutrient broth or whatever wouldn’t go well I’d think. ....
I'm fine with sidetracking to help someone new, hell, I'm doing it and it's really what the OP thread is about, with me being the noob.
But will ask Roger and anyone else with lots of experience: what SHOULD I add? Grain? Potting soil? Peat? All of those?
If I really want to bring a spent grow back from the dead as an experiment, what FOOD does it need, if verm and coir are more physical support / water retainers than food?
And can I add it to one of my existing experiment shoeboxes. Or maybe add it and make one into two shoeboxes?
Thank you!
I am not absolutely not Roger or someone with lots of experience, but I think can help with a couple of these. Hopefully I am not speaking out of hubris.
1. That's a Ganoderma in the other person's profile. Probably Reishi.
2. Adding anything nutritious is going to contaminate with bacteria or mold since fruiting is in open air, so the only thing you really can add is substrate that won't - i.e. coir, which you have done.
Potting soil and stuff has plant nutrition not really mushroom nutrition. Mushrooms are more like animals than plants. They breathe air, exhale CO2, and eat food.
Peat or Jiffy mix would be like adding a casing and might do *something*.
Burying works outside because wind, sun, fresh air, and a diverse microbiome in the living soil prevent the molds and allow the mycelium to grow in soil.
I think take what you did and just watch. *Something* will happen, no matter what.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: karri0n] 1
#26989012 - 10/16/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pasteurized substrate is spawned in open air as it leaves enough beneficial organisms intact to fend off contamination while your chosen fungus colonizes it.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: Mycolorado] 1
#26989037 - 10/16/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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this thread is about adding grains to a dead ass substrate right? okay
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Based on the thread title, I believe it’s about adding fresh substrate to a grow after the last flush.
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smalltalk_canceled said: this thread is about adding grains to a dead ass substrate right? okay
I added coir and verm. Am now asking about what else I could add.
See first post first page with pix if you want to ignore hundreds of posts by 3 stalker sockpuppets of one person who have now all been perma banned for that.
Before you say what everyone says, "start over", I am working on two other grows from spores, just doing this on the side as experiment.
Thank you.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61] 1
#26989229 - 10/16/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: Adding coir won’t really add any nutrition at all. I don’t think mixing new coir with spent sub will do anything productive but you never know, and trying to add in grain or nutrient broth or whatever wouldn’t go well I’d think. ....
I'm fine with sidetracking to help someone new, hell, I'm doing it and it's really what the OP thread is about, with me being the noob.
But will ask Roger and anyone else with lots of experience: what SHOULD I add? Grain? Potting soil? Peat? All of those?
If I really want to bring a spent grow back from the dead as an experiment, what FOOD does it need, if verm and coir are more physical support / water retainers than food?
And can I add it to one of my existing experiment shoeboxes. Or maybe add it and make one into two shoeboxes?
Thank you!
I throw my spent subs in the garden and cover them with grass clippings or leaves and soak with the garden hose daily if I'm not too busy. Preferably leaves if its fall cause grass is a PITA to clean off fruits. Leaves are an excellent micro climate. Sometimes ill pull another oz dry or two off a mono.
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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26990161 - 10/17/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah the joy of wasting materials and calling it an experiment when we have tons of evidence already on the site of what happens when you do this. Beautiful stuff..
Yay "science"!
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