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Huge mess after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract
#26989944 - 10/17/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I boiled my finely ground mimosa hostilis 3 times with a 4 pH solution, gave the combined solution a hard boil to reduce it to 2 liters, and then, as usual, just started adding caustic soda to it. I kept on adding trying to reach a pH of 14 but the pH wouldn't go above 13! I noticed that the pot was getting very hot so I left it alone to react. Came back after two hours to this mess :'( https://ibb.co/ZH5s1Kv
After two more hours all the liquid was evaporated and had charred solids all over the place. Where did I go wrong? Should I have waited for the caustic soda solution to cool down in a separate pot before adding it?
Edited by kinglsd87 (10/18/20 12:37 PM)
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: kinglsd87] 1
#26989973 - 10/17/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure caustic soda itself has a pH of 13, so no matter how much you add you won't ever go above 13.
How much did you end up adding? I usually use 50g - 60g with around 1ltr of water in the solution.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling you added way too much caustic soda and the amount of heat generated from the reaction evaporated the water from your solution.
In my experience the best practice is to mix your caustic soda with COLD water (even adding ice doesn't hurt) in a seperate container, then once it has dissolved/cooled add it to your acidic solution.
You should not add caustic soda directly to your 'main soup'.
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (10/17/20 11:51 AM)
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: kinglsd87]
#26989981 - 10/17/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, adding some basic solution to an acidic solution will cause a hefty reaction. Always pour in only a very small ammount at a time, let it stand a couple of minutes, then add some more. This way you avoid too much heat and too much of foamy reactions.
Let the acidic solution cool down to roomtemp (or cooler) before adding any base. Basifying will always create some heat, the lower the pH in the begnning the more heat will be produced.
With mhrb you don't need to boil anything nor drop the pH to 4. Just put the shredded bark in water and add the base, slowly. Then go on with pulling with naphtha. This way there is no reaction, as the solution is not acidic in the first place.
A pH of 14 is absolutely not needed. PH of 11 or 12 is more than enough. I add like 70 to 80g of lye per liter of water (without vinegar!), that's more than enough.
Boiling with vinegar and/or defatting is totally unnecessary with mhrb. With acrb it shoud be done, though.
//edit: Don't use a crockpot for your extraction. The caustic soda will destroy the metal. I had some lye burn a hole into a crockpot once. Always use thick glass jars, at least as soon as you add lye /caustic soda.
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: kinglsd87] 1
#26989982 - 10/17/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do yourself a favor and just read a tek. I would go with any STB tek if you have MHRB
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#26990049 - 10/17/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said: I'm pretty sure caustic soda itself has a pH of 13, so no matter how much you add you won't ever go above 13.
How much did you end up adding? I usually use 50g - 60g with around 1ltr of water in the solution.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling you added way too much caustic soda and the amount of heat generated from the reaction evaporated the water from your solution.
In my experience the best practice is to mix your caustic soda with COLD water (even adding ice doesn't hurt) in a seperate container, then once it has dissolved/cooled add it to your acidic solution.
You should not add caustic soda directly to your 'main soup'.
A pH of 13?!! really?!! well that explains a lot! so would that be enough for mimosa hostilis? I heard reports that the base only precipitates at a pH of 14
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: Pandemoon]
#26990052 - 10/17/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll be trying that next week
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: kinglsd87]
#26990114 - 10/17/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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kinglsd87 said:
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wolfiewolfie said: I'm pretty sure caustic soda itself has a pH of 13, so no matter how much you add you won't ever go above 13.
How much did you end up adding? I usually use 50g - 60g with around 1ltr of water in the solution.
I may be wrong but I have a feeling you added way too much caustic soda and the amount of heat generated from the reaction evaporated the water from your solution.
In my experience the best practice is to mix your caustic soda with COLD water (even adding ice doesn't hurt) in a seperate container, then once it has dissolved/cooled add it to your acidic solution.
You should not add caustic soda directly to your 'main soup'.
A pH of 13?!! really?!! well that explains a lot! so would that be enough for mimosa hostilis? I heard reports that the base only precipitates at a pH of 14
The PH has nothing to do with what kind of bark you are using, it's to freebase the DMT itself. I've read about PH levels as low as 10 being used, although a lot of guides call for 12 - 13. If you have a PH of 13 you have nothing to worry about.
I gather you are doing an acid to base extraction. Basically the acid stage helps get the DMT out of the bark and into the water, then the base stage freebase the DMT in the water making it soluble in naphtha for extraction.
Also, you don't need excessive heat like boiling. Warm is just as good if not better than hot. Here's a simple, easy to understand guide I wrote a few years ago that might help you out https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23546112
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (10/17/20 01:49 PM)
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Re: Huge messa after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#26990289 - 10/17/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another great example of why one should use a dry-tek without lye, like the Q21Q21.
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Re: Huge mess after adding caustic soda to mimosa extract [Re: kinglsd87]
#26992008 - 10/18/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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kinglsd87 said: So I boiled my finely ground mimosa hostilis 3 times with a 4 pH solution, gave the combined solution a hard boil to reduce it to 2 liters, and then, as usual, just started adding caustic soda to it. I kept on adding trying to reach a pH of 14 but the pH wouldn't go above 13! I noticed that the pot was getting very hot so I left it alone to react. Came back after two hours to this mess :'( https://ibb.co/ZH5s1Kv
After two more hours all the liquid was evaporated and had charred solids all over the place. Where did I go wrong? Should I have waited for the caustic soda solution to cool down in a separate pot before adding it?
Damn! You shouldnt boil your water when adding your Lye. Thats just asking for trouble. The reason is Lye reacts with water and creates its own heat. So by boiling the water then adding Lye, you're just adding a huge amount of boiling at once. U can warm your water before adding the Lye but it should be boiling.
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