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Invisiblemaxmush
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freeze drying cubes * 1
    #26989868 - 10/17/20 12:21 PM (9 days, 17 hours ago)

Anyone tried freeze drying their cubes? Theoretically they should retain more actives and therefore be more potent - On paper that is. Just curious if there has been any experimentation with this method? Thanks!


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: maxmush]
    #26989955 - 10/17/20 01:29 PM (9 days, 16 hours ago)

I haven't tried, but they really don't lose much potency from the drying process to make it worth it.  If you have a way to try it though, let us know how it works out!


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester]
    #26990017 - 10/17/20 02:19 PM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Nichrome]
    #26990057 - 10/17/20 02:44 PM (9 days, 14 hours ago)

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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: maxmush]
    #26990084 - 10/17/20 03:19 PM (9 days, 14 hours ago)

Ive heard that Dealer Shrooms aka Dealer Cubes are dried by freeze-drying.

Its my understanding that its the best way to dry cubenis for maximum potency. The question is how do you build a small-scale freeze-dryer? :strokebeard:


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26990106 - 10/17/20 03:37 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

The bigger question is... why?

The tiny, negligible amount of actives lost to drying (if any) are more easily counteracted by just growing more rather than building or buying additional equipment IMO. 

But do post if you find a way.


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester]
    #26990109 - 10/17/20 03:40 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

i thought they dried way faster


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26990110 - 10/17/20 03:40 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

I guess some people want the best-of-the-best method even if the advantages are slim :shrug:

Im still on the look out for affordable freeze dryers....


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26990115 - 10/17/20 03:43 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

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i thought they dried way faster




I guess that would be an advantage.

Does anyone have any scientific info as to how much is actually lost from the time spent in the drying process?  (thru air really, as we know the heat doesn't harm)

I'd be glad to change my stance if it were shown to be anything to worry about...


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26990144 - 10/17/20 04:06 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

I think im going to give it a go. I can get a large home scale unit for about $2000CAD.

Probably will be next month or so I'll re-post then :smile:


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: maxmush] * 1
    #26990156 - 10/17/20 04:17 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

Ballin?


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: maxmush]
    #26990160 - 10/17/20 04:20 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

Quote:

maxmush said:
I think im going to give it a go. I can get a large home scale unit for about $2000CAD.

Probably will be next month or so I'll re-post then :smile:




Oh snap!

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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26990178 - 10/17/20 04:35 PM (9 days, 13 hours ago)

Wow, I guess if you got the cash!  Suppose you could use a freeze drier for a lot of other stuff as well.

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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester]
    #26990182 - 10/17/20 04:39 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Oh yeah!

But wont the shroomy smell stink up the freeze dryer? I know it does for dehydrators.


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester] * 1
    #26990189 - 10/17/20 04:43 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Quote:

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The bigger question is... why?

The tiny, negligible amount of actives lost to drying (if any) are more easily counteracted by just growing more rather than building or buying additional equipment IMO. 

But do post if you find a way.




I'd love to be able to freeze dry pan cyans. The dehydrator mangles these big time.
Not worried so much about the psilocybin as the psilocyn. My understanding
is that freeze drying would preserve this better but also keep the shape of the fruit...instead
of turning them into small twigs.


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Asura]
    #26990193 - 10/17/20 04:45 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Yeah, I once tried to dehydrate wild Pan Cyans in a dehydrator, it totally destroyed them. I stared just using the fresh ones only and skipping the drying process.

So for Pan cyans, a delicate active shroom, freeze drying would be perfect :strokebeard:


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Asura]
    #26990199 - 10/17/20 04:49 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Quote:

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I'd love to be able to freeze dry pan cyans. The dehydrator mangles these big time.
Not worried so much about the psilocybin as the psilocyn. My understanding
is that freeze drying would preserve this better but also keep the shape of the fruit...instead
of turning them into small twigs.




Very true, I guess I assumed we were mainly referring to cubes. 

With species like that I bet a bit more is lost being super thin so much more is exposed to air!


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: Forrester]
    #26990216 - 10/17/20 05:01 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

i don't understand freeze drying but how would the method of drying change the amount of shrinkage? If the water is being purged than the fruit is going to shrink no matter the method. Right?


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26990224 - 10/17/20 05:08 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Yeah I have zero knowledge of what would happen. I am sure the fruits would
shrink...but would hope they would maintain a little more structural integrity.


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Re: freeze drying cubes [Re: verum subsequentis] * 1
    #26990247 - 10/17/20 05:31 PM (9 days, 12 hours ago)

Freeze Drying is a lot like Dry Ice (Frozen CO2). Dry Ice turns from a solid to a gas instantaneously in a process called sublimation. This is what happens during the Freeze Drying process.

To Freeze dry, you first freeze your shrooms super cold then place in a freeze dryer that pulls a vacuum then heats up the shrooms gently. This process causes the water in the shrooms to go from a liquid state to a gaseous state instantaneously, thus persevering the potency and physical shape of the shrooms being processed.

I used to work in a job that processed material by freeze-drying and thats how the basics of how it was done (not with shrooms of course :mushroom2:).


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