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Grow room advice
    #26989351 - 10/17/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm setting up a small grow room in a storage room in the back of my house and was wondering if you guys can give me some tips of how it should be set up. The room is only about 4x8 so I don't have much space to work with but it's all I got.

The room is insulated, drywalled (needs to be covered with something), has its own entrance door from outside and has access to outside air via a vent. I would like to grow mainly Enoki but I will also be growing smaller batches of oyster and lions mane, all will be grown from spawn that I purchase online.

Any tips are appreciated.


Edited by Pirouli (10/17/20 12:35 AM)


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Pirouli]
    #26989544 - 10/17/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I'm not one to help much with grow rooms, others can help with that.

Enoki don't need much air, but they do like it very cold.  What do you think your temps are going to be?


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26989569 - 10/17/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So is this a storage room in the back of your house that only has the outside door? Is this for hobby stuff or for trying to grow enough to sell? Does the house temperature affect the temp in the room? Or are you at the mercy of the weather? Are you going to have to put the humidifier inside that room or do you have somewhere else to put it to pipe the humidity in?

Yea that drywall will need to be air tight covered with something to protect it from the moisture in the air for sure..


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26989586 - 10/17/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea that drywall will need to be air tight covered with something to protect it from the moisture in the air for sure..




Very good point.  I would almost consider just building a large fruiting chamber inside the room rather than trying to seal off drywall and use the whole room.  Moisture in the drywall could be a huge issue...

What's the flooring?


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26989605 - 10/17/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

With it only being 4x8.. he or she could probably pick up some sheets of plastic or some such type sheeting.. Oh I know.. Corrugated plastic the kind used for signs that people put in yards and elsewhere. Its similar to the same stuff they use on  greenhouses. But cheaper in cost. I know someone who build an outside shed out of it to grow plants and house a secondary fish tank. Put that on the walls and silicone into place.. bammo problem fixed. Or you could take a sheets of plastic and 3M 90 spray glue and seal the walls that way. But I think the corrugated sign plastic would be sturdier to withstand in case of accidental punctures.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26989779 - 10/17/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Pre catalyzed epoxy!!! Stuffs AMAZING paint the walls,floors,ceiling!!  Dries harder than a bullet,protects from moisture, and makes cleaning a Breeze.  Expensive as hell tho, $70/gallon ..but guess that risk/reward would depend more on how much your other solutions will cost and your budget!


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26989806 - 10/17/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry I'm not one to help much with grow rooms, others can help with that.

Enoki don't need much air, but they do like it very cold.  What do you think your temps are going to be?




It's starting to get cold out here so with the room being insulated I'm guessing temps probably won't drop much past 45 degrees.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Harry Manbach]
    #26989807 - 10/17/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26989812 - 10/17/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So is this a storage room in the back of your house that only has the outside door? Is this for hobby stuff or for trying to grow enough to sell? Does the house temperature affect the temp in the room? Or are you at the mercy of the weather? Are you going to have to put the humidifier inside that room or do you have somewhere else to put it to pipe the humidity in?

Yea that drywall will need to be air tight covered with something to protect it from the moisture in the air for sure..




Right now I'll be growing just as a hobby, maybe in the future I may sell some at the farmers market here if everything goes good. The house temperature doesn't affect the temp in that room so unfortunately I'll be at the mercy of the weather but it never gets to freezing temps and in the summer it never gets past 80s. Humidity will probably have to be added via foggers.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26989818 - 10/17/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Forrester said:
Sorry I'm not one to help much with grow rooms, others can help with that.

Enoki don't need much air, but they do like it very cold.  What do you think your temps are going to be?




It's starting to get cold out here so with the room being insulated I'm guessing temps probably won't drop much past 45 degrees.
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seagu said:
Yea that drywall will need to be air tight covered with something to protect it from the moisture in the air for sure..




Very good point.  I would almost consider just building a large fruiting chamber inside the room rather than trying to seal off drywall and use the whole room.  Moisture in the drywall could be a huge issue...

What's the flooring?




I thought about that and I may considering going that direction since it would require the least modifications to the room. The floor is only OSB right now with the basement being right underneath. At first I was thinking about putting pond liner down, cutting a drain hole in the middle and piping it into the drain in the basement but I'm still unsure whether I want to cut up the floor like that.

What would be the most budget friendly way to put a fruiting chamber in there? One of those pre made greenhouse kits?


Edited by Pirouli (10/17/20 11:08 AM)


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Pirouli]
    #26989945 - 10/17/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I think 45F would be ideal for enoki, I'm sure they will love that :thumbup:


Yeah you could certainly do it, but I personally wouldn't want to mess with trying to seal off the whole room from moisture, especially that OSB floor.  I've done a lot of repairs on my own house and when you mix moisture with wood like that, some serious issues can arise.

I would go with cheap greenhouses and set them in big plastic trays/tubs.  You could even do several with 8ft wide to work with.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26989954 - 10/17/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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https://www.homedepot.com/p/BEHR-PRO-1-gal-White-Pre-Catalyzed-Epoxy-Semi-Gloss-Interior-Paint-HP15001/301899214 Like this ?



  Ahhyessir!!  I'd recommend Sherwin-Williams...but same concept nonetheless. 

Ps.  Why does home depot say that product is intended for outdoor use!?..it says indoor right on the can!!  Tighten up home depot lol!!


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26990061 - 10/17/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I think 45F would be ideal for enoki, I'm sure they will love that :thumbup:


Yeah you could certainly do it, but I personally wouldn't want to mess with trying to seal off the whole room from moisture, especially that OSB floor.  I've done a lot of repairs on my own house and when you mix moisture with wood like that, some serious issues can arise.

I would go with cheap greenhouses and set them in big plastic trays/tubs.  You could even do several with 8ft wide to work with.




I agree, after thinking about it I would rather prefer the greenhouse method, at least that way the moisture is contained in one area and I'm not dealing with a permanently modified room when we decide to sell.

I'll probably start off with 1 greenhouse with Enokis since the temp should be fine and I could possibly get away without heating the room.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Pirouli]
    #26990116 - 10/17/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You can definitely get away without heating the room.  My best enoki growth I ever got was bags left out in late fall in Maine.  Temps got into freezing several times before I remembered they were out there, growing invitro.

That's the other advantage you have growing enoki, you really don't need any FAE at all so you won't have to worry much about fans!


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26990140 - 10/17/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You can definitely get away without heating the room.  My best enoki growth I ever got was bags left out in late fall in Maine.  Temps got into freezing several times before I remembered they were out there, growing invitro.

That's the other advantage you have growing enoki, you really don't need any FAE at all so you won't have to worry much about fans!




That's awesome! What would you recommend for humidity, a cool mist humidifier or a fogger? Also where did you buy your enoki spawn? I found only 1 or 2 places and they are sold out.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Pirouli]
    #26990185 - 10/17/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I just grew a couple different enoki cultures from fellow shroomery members, I've never bought spawn personally.  It's so much cheaper and more reliable to make it yourself.

As far as the humidifier preference, others in the forum can help you a lot more than me.  I just always used cheapo ones from walmart.  Save the receipt and you can just take it back every time it breaks.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Forrester]
    #26990957 - 10/18/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I just grew a couple different enoki cultures from fellow shroomery members, I've never bought spawn personally.  It's so much cheaper and more reliable to make it yourself.

As far as the humidifier preference, others in the forum can help you a lot more than me.  I just always used cheapo ones from walmart.  Save the receipt and you can just take it back every time it breaks.




What substrate did you use?


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: Pirouli]
    #26990977 - 10/18/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't tried this with the cheapo ultrasonics. But I know the HOH one with the discs they use.. To clean them Every week I just drops a few drops of CLR on the discs and let it sit for a few minutes while I rinse and bleach the bucket, then add some water as I let it sit in a small plastic container so that it fills over the top and let it sit soaking a little more before I rinse it off thoroughly and then wipe clean the discs with a paper towel or TP or napkin or something. And BAMMO good as new. Haven't had to replace a disc in over a year so far with this one.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26990980 - 10/18/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Whether you go premade or build your own greenhouse make sure its air tight or else the moisture will leak out and cause mold issues. and to get air tight if you use an exhaust fan, which you will need for the Oysters when you go for those. The plastic if folded over each other and such will pull air tight, if you let it, from the suction of the exhaust.


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Re: Grow room advice [Re: seagu]
    #26990982 - 10/18/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For enoki and virtually everything else I always just used hardwood fuel pellets, hydrated with boiling water right in the bags, and open-air spawned a full quart of spawn for each one.  But you could always go the supplemented route and use less spawn that way, if you want to sterilize substrates and spawn in front of a hood.


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