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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: Camera93]
    #26987199 - 10/15/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Camera,

I don't know about non-get high shrooms.

Is that a turkey tail in your avatar? It's beautiful. Did you grow it? What's it growing on?

Does the time of day that you plant it have any effect? I have read that in Poor Richard's Almanac, but that's probably half true and half superstition. Not saying you're wrong. Please explain, I'm curious if that's true.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61]
    #26987500 - 10/15/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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look back at the post history of all yaga and funky's posts. they both have similar time frames about when they were asking noob questions and when they started giving advice. also, i don't know why but right after funky joined, he created the yaga puppet account within a few days. who spends a year grooming an alt account? becky and funky both frequently use bold and italic statements in their posts for emphasis. so funky can be linked to yaga and funky can be linked to becky. the timing of all 3 sock puppets in the same thread is just too funny :lol: it's a shame about funky though. that seemed to be his main account.


bod also has access to the super advanced AI powered by quantum machine learning that analyzes what everyone says and links users to the same owner. :crazy2:


in before :lockdance:  (but maybe not since the holy trinity has already been banned. things might calm down now)




The good news is all 3 Beckys have been banned

Look at the bottom of their accounts, says banned.

Funky Monkey.    Registered 05/14/19:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?User=467348

I always thought that person was male....

yagayaga:  Registered 06/14/19
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?User=521931

Becky G. Spot.      Registered 10/13/20
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showprofile.php?User=521931

"She" was here 2 days, has 7 positive ratings. That is some thirsty  males. lol.




Thats so insane. Why would someone do this and in what reality would this multiple accounts fucking with people be justified? I am guessing the user must be bipolar or something. They will create a new account if they  are able, the banned ones always do. Also how can you make 111 posts in 2 days?!

On a board with so many dudes not surprising someone claiming to be a girl with a gif of a girl dancing in lingerie in their sig would garner so many positive ratings... :facepalm3:



Anyways... got pics of this tub or did I miss it somewhere in tornado Becky?


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26987511 - 10/15/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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On a board with so many dudes not surprising someone claiming to be a girl with a gif of a girl dancing in lingerie in their sig would garner so many positive ratings...





Yeah I was thinking the same thing lol

She had pics in journal last I saw


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: sotally tober]
    #26987518 - 10/15/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its too bad funky monkey is a weirdo cause he had some cool deemz writeups


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26987630 - 10/15/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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[Also how can you make 111 posts in 2 days?!





Ritalin is a helluva drug?
So is manic depression.
And low self-esteem.

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On a board with so many dudes not surprising someone claiming to be a girl with a gif of a girl dancing in lingerie in their sig would garner so many positive ratings... :facepalm3:





A couple guys who rated her are experienced growers I had a lot of respect for. But after seeing how quickly they fell for Becky's b.s. and became orbiters,  I now have a little less respect for them.

Especially since I think Funky Monkey is a dude, which means Becky may have been a dude looking for...something? Attention? Conflict?

Becky still has one sockpuppet here, I'm sure of it. It's another account made 2 days ago that posted seconds after and before the other socks on the same threads, and agreed with them on everything, had a similar voice. And got furious that I put her on ignore. And was a new user with experienced cultivator knowledge.

FYI, I never told anyone I ignored them. This whole shit show started because Becky noticed I put her on ignore. I ignored her hours after she showed up because I could tell she'd be an attention whore.

Though I had no idea how much of one she'd be.

Who the fuck checks to see who's ignored them within a few hours of joining a site?

One of Becky's first posts here was praising this site and saying "fuck reddit shroom group" or similar. I now wonder if she came here after the Becky personality got kicked off of Reddit? lol.

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Anyways... got pics of this tub or did I miss it somewhere in tornado Becky?




It's in here somewhere, but since Becky fucked up my thread you won't find it. Pix here. Not much yet, but did document it in case it works and turns into a tek:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26984308&page=0&vc=1#26984308


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61]
    #26987686 - 10/15/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

She's talking about me again lol I'm definitely not Becky though, pinky promise.

I think I'm gonna try this experiment with my next sub also. Wonder what the actual likelihood of success is, if it's not 0%


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61] * 2
    #26987847 - 10/16/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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A couple guys who rated her are experienced growers I had a lot of respect for. But after seeing how quickly they fell for Becky's b.s. and became orbiters,  I now have a little less respect for them.





giving her a positive rating had nothing to do with her being a girl. i gave her a positive rating because every interaction i had with her was positive even when we disagreed and debated. she even sent me a pm afterwards during our interaction in one thread that said something along the lines of a "no hard feelings, i hope you didn't take that the wrong way" message.

also, despite her having an account that was less than a week old, she was an experienced grower and actually new her shit which is rare for a noob. when you see someone like that, it's refreshing because this site is full of new users that give out horrible advice and stick to their guns when they are called out. whenever i see a new user that is obviously an experienced grower, i automatically give a 5 star rating regardless of what gender they appear to be because gender doesn't matter on the internet. nobody is going to meet anybody here IRL anyways.

i'm sure i speak for the others.

also i agree funky monkey is probably a dude


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: FriedEgg]
    #26987895 - 10/16/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, I feel like that was a really long 20min of my life I won't get back reading all of that...

Anyway, I'm curious how the shrooms are turning out. I'm attempting something similar but I'm a total newb so I'm kinda just throwing paint at the walls and hoping its art. I basically just shredded 3 cakes into some coir after their first flush and hoping something better happens. Love the idea of getting more flushes out of a tub. So far I'm hating the beginning stages of growing.

Was there any added nutrients to the coir? I've read people using old coffee grounds for things... would that have been helpful?

I love the experimenting, what's the worst that happens - just a failed experiment right.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: mintyfresh]
    #26987968 - 10/16/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn, I feel like that was a really long 20min of my life I won't get back reading all of that...

Anyway, I'm curious how the shrooms are turning out. I'm attempting something similar but I'm a total newb so I'm kinda just throwing paint at the walls and hoping its art. I basically just shredded 3 cakes into some coir after their first flush and hoping something better happens. Love the idea of getting more flushes out of a tub. So far I'm hating the beginning stages of growing.

Was there any added nutrients to the coir? I've read people using old coffee grounds for things... would that have been helpful?

I love the experimenting, what's the worst that happens - just a failed experiment right.




Hi. Nice to hear a response here that's in the minority. That is, about the topic in the first post. lol.

Welcome. I joined here about the same time you did, but was already started.

Someone just posted on my journal thread about this topic:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26984308

and said " all of the nutrients are provided by the grain. This is why LI poured on a bulk sub doesn't produce."

Maybe he's right. Maybe the coir and verm are just support structures. I guess we'll see.

If you want to try it when you get to the expended grow stage, it doesn't cost much to do it, you can start an new grow at the same time and do this on the side.

Maybe I should be using potting soil instead, or mixed in with verm and coir. Because expired shroom grows buried in gardens can grow. Maybe I'll try that at the end of my second grow.

Welcome, even though we joined around same time.

Do you have a PC and an SAB? There's some good info in my sig line, the "noob" link.

As for coffee, I have no experience, but from what I've read I remember it being for PH, not nutrients. I've also seen more recent teks that say don't use it, it increases chance of contams.

There's a lot of things that used to be "best practices" that are not any more. I think gypsum may be headed that way, I did a poll and 14 said they don't use it and 5 say they do.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26954400

And the "no" included a TC or two, and some people who should be TCs but aren't.

Someone on here has a sig line something like "Why are you asking about growing shrooms from syringes? Are you making a documentary on how people grew shrooms in the olden days?"

I did not add any nutes into my test tubs. Didn't think of potting soil, and have heard, and it makes sense, that plant fertilizer increases your chance of contams. I have seen that with microscope work looking at ponds near farm land run off.

I was into scopes and had access to one well before I got into shrooms. And I now have one as of 2 days ago. yay!

Thank you.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: nektar61]
    #26988210 - 10/16/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Congrats on the scope. They are tons of fun. What type did you get?


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26988230 - 10/16/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Generic Chinese stereo scope. 40x, 400x, 1000x (use oil for that last one).

Cost 300 bucks new. My company was getting rid of it, and sold to me for 200.

I used it (with my DSLR and an adapter) to take the spore pix in my sig line.


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    #26988236 - 10/16/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck yeah. That's awesome


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26988275 - 10/16/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I did the syringe/cake method because that's what I read was best for newbies. I REALLY wish I'd done grain because that seems to be better from the pics I'm seeing. All of this info is overwhelming, especially with how time consuming everything is. Its a lot of do ___ and then wait and see how it works.

I did use a pc and still air box.

Adding some pix of my experiment. I'm very aware I didn't chose the best box for this. I just had it and thought I'd use it. This is after about 8 days.



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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: mintyfresh]
    #26988283 - 10/16/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Shredded cakes to bulk can do very very well. It just depends on how clean the  syringe was, how well you made up and sterilized your cakes, whether or not you introduced any contams while inoculating and whether or not you supply the grow with the proper conditions.

Don't trip on all the overwhelming info. Just read some, try some, grow some and ask some good questions when they pop up. A few attempts at growing will teach one a lot if they are in the mood to observe and learn.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26988305 - 10/16/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Its kind of intimidating posting. I see people ask questions only to be bitched at for not doing enough research. Then I also see people get bitched at for posting onto an old thread.

I did everything pretty precise. Clean environment, SAB, PC, alcohol burning the needles into the lids etc. I had 3 different syringes - B+, Pink Elephant and Jedi mind f. I think 2 of my syringes had contams because I did all 3 at the same time not changing anything. My Jedi syringe cakes turned out well - although they grew slowly (I think its because we keep our house cold- once I closed the vent in the room they were growing in, they took off). The B+ and Pink Elephant got contams.. The Jedi's didn't. I'm trying to salvage the B+ and Pink syringes by growing on agar and cutting out the good parts onto new agar.

Thanks for the imput. I'm way less scared of trying things now that I've at least grown a few shrooms. Bummer if it doesn't work out, but not a big deal.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #26988383 - 10/16/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Adding coir won’t really add any nutrition at all. I don’t think mixing new coir with spent sub will do anything productive but you never know, and trying to add in grain or nutrient broth or whatever wouldn’t go well I’d think.

A lot of very respectable members here make puppets. I figured Becky was my old friend from down south at first but the grammar and amount of words and posts were too high. Even chicks that like to get down don’t call themselves “good necky Becky” lol. I thought it was pretty funny though, it’s a Shroomery pastime. Some of the most hilarious fail posts are experienced growers who know exactly what will make people :wtf: :mad2:

And minty fresh, starting with cakes isn’t really the easiest but it’s the best way to get mushrooms without using agar. The BRF cakes can usually handle the junk that’s often in syringes but for grains you want to make sure you have clean mycelium only. Shoe boxes are set and forget once you have clean grain spawn.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26988439 - 10/16/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for explaining that. The tubs seem WAY easier than what I was doing with the cakes. Very interested how hers will turn out as well as my own. Mine would have been its 2nd flush - so hoping they're not "spent" yet.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: mintyfresh]
    #26988943 - 10/16/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for explaining that. The tubs seem WAY easier than what I was doing with the cakes. Very interested how hers will turn out as well as my own. Mine would have been its 2nd flush - so hoping they're not "spent" yet.





I agree with Roger on Shoe boxes, was going to suggest that. For starters I'd do 3 or 4 of those rather than one tub, for the reason Roger mentioned. Also because if one is contamed you don't lose the whole grow. 

with syringes It's common to get contam.

Regarding old threads, contams, and more, I recommend reading the noob link in my sig line. Also a lot on basic contam prevention, more than just PC and SAB here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26976334

Your images are small and don't open on click, so can't tell if that's contam, mycelium, or both. But if you have some mycelium, using successive agar isolation is good. I'm assuming that's what you meant by using agar. And it's good practice for working with agar.  I started working with agar from my first tub, and now have two more grows in works (while doing my experiment in the OP of this thread.)

I have one grow where I went from mycelium on my first grow to agar to grain to coir/ verm. Just saw my first fruit (a side pin, but still, it's exciting):



Also took some mycelium from that same agar, made LC for 10 days, poured on grain, just saw my first mycelium on that yesterday.

I've been busy since early July. I figure why not do as much as I can at the same time.

Agar, Grain, coir, and verm aren't very expensive, and I this hobby always has more to learn, and the end result is shrooms.

Glad to hear you're already doing agar, even if because of contam. I think that's a good move.

If you have some syringe liquid left, maybe also try another side grow, going from syringe liquid into agar to grain, or syringe to  agar to LC to grain. Hell, do both.

I'm a noob but I'm not recommending anything I haven't done.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: mintyfresh]
    #26988971 - 10/16/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for explaining that. The tubs seem WAY easier than what I was doing with the cakes. Very interested how hers will turn out as well as my own. Mine would have been its 2nd flush - so hoping they're not "spent" yet.




What Roger says is my experience as well. I really think it's a good idea to start PF cakes and agar/grain at the same time.

You get to have cakes colonizing for a relatively long time, which have a good chance of working out even though they are probably nasty AF with bacteria, while you work on your sterile technique and have some fast growing agar plates to teach you where you are going wrong with sterile technique.

Even if all of your agar adventures during this period go bunk, you can clone one of the finished fruits from the PF tek to your agar, with the experience of multiple failures or successes behind you.


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Re: Adding fresh substrait to grow after last flush? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26988980 - 10/16/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Adding coir won’t really add any nutrition at all. I don’t think mixing new coir with spent sub will do anything productive but you never know, and trying to add in grain or nutrient broth or whatever wouldn’t go well I’d think. ....




I'm fine with sidetracking to help someone new, hell, I'm doing it and  it's really what the OP thread is about, with me being the noob.

But will ask Roger and anyone else with lots of experience: what SHOULD I add? Grain? Potting soil? Peat? All of those?

If I really want to bring a spent grow back from the dead as an experiment, what FOOD does it need, if verm and coir are more physical support / water retainers than food?

And can I add it to one of my existing experiment shoeboxes. Or maybe add it and make one into two shoeboxes?

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