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Re: Room air purification [Re: Violet]
    #26987872 - 10/16/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Blindingleaf turned me on to foil years back and it’s great. I fold it dull side out and it tends to come out super clean and easy.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26988177 - 10/16/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The story of the monotub I just tossed was:

1. Good looking spawn (for me)
2. Amazing colonization of coir with beautiful mycelium (I was sure it would be a decent mono)
3. Mycelium pee appeared on the top everywhere in an amount I never saw before. It was not present in the jar and not present during coir colonization
4. The mycelium slowly changed its look, the pins stopped growing, Trich/mold took over

Common sense is telling me it was airborne. Bacteria might have been present in the spawn that made the mycelium weaker. I don’t know. But the infection likely came from the top.




This sounds pretty much exactly like bacterial spawn to me, high-key suspect that was the problem there.


You definitely should harvest before spores drop, for quality's sake.  People wait too long for those photos but the like how the canopies look. People really cream over those canopy photos, but no it's not ideal.

Lots of mold start out white or nearly white before they start sporulating and changing colors and quite of few of the most common of them are green when that color starts showing.


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    #26988198 - 10/16/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26988214 - 10/16/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes it's possible for contamination to hide on agar. There is a really good thread about it around here I can't seem to find at the moment.

One user shows how well mold can intertwine with mycellium that it's nearly impossible to truly distinguish them at first blush.

Here is a fun read as well.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260/fpart/1/vc/1

I really like the train of thought that was mentioned earlier in this thread that we can never truly prevent contamination we can only outrun it. Minimizing it as much as possible. That's why certain teks while keen as balls fell by the wayside because they introduced further vectors that could introduce contaminate. There was a GLC tek that was abandoned for this reason. Worked but introduced a window of contamination not present in another method so the evolution of the hobby leaned towards the one with the best success rate.

Sorry for being so vague. I have a decade or more of this forum memorized but my brain is a clapped out old lawnmower engine so half of what I remember I don't remember where I remember it from.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26988219 - 10/16/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I’m usually looking to get em just as the veils pop, mainly because of the nature of my main projects over much of my time in the hobby. I need to confirm that there is both spore production and the correct colour of spores is there as well. If I’m printing it’s even more likely I’m gonna let em open up a fair bit.

I like to harvest at this point:




But sometimes things get away on me:




PE is a nice option for those who hate spores, it generally doesn’t eject them and you can still get a canopy with it, this was only 3 quarts of spawn:



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Re: Room air purification [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26988224 - 10/16/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

A real canopy is one before the caps open anyway like pastys pics.

But i also usually get to them after they open a bit





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Re: Room air purification [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26988229 - 10/16/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Last run of genetics I did I couldn't have 1/4 of that many caps open without everything turning black as fuck. It's like it sits in the good place between dumping spore so prints can be taken and not dumping too much spore. I said it before if there are variants that drop few spore then the inverse has to be true and some must be fucking prolific.

Then bod posts that and triggers my PTSD. Hours upon hours of cleaning caps. :justkillmenow:


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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
    #26988285 - 10/16/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don’t get why people clean the spores. They don’t taste like much really and if you make tea/chocolates/jello/capsules/peanutbuttersandwich/etc you won’t notice them at all. It seems like such an odd thing to get hung up on. I feel like you’re overthinking most of the aspects of this hobby and it’s not helping you much.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26988293 - 10/16/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

For sure. I certainly don't bother cleaning them, my personal choice to trim the dirty bottoms is already tedious enough.  But I definitely prefer harvesting before veils break. I think they look better, they definitely hold up in storage better IME (far fewer thin caps having edges chip off or coming off altogether) and they *might* even taste better but frankly I think substrate probably influences that more if much at all


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Re: Room air purification [Re: meowjinx]
    #26988319 - 10/16/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree with you almost completely. And if we could all, as a community acknowledge that this is a functional approach that we take because it works extremely well, then I wouldn't have bothered to comment in this thread at all. But one side of the "debate" was being unfairly ridiculed because what was once a general rule of thumb has practically become a dogmatic pillar of truth and as long as you parrot this truth you're allowed to be as toxic as you want

I remember once in another thread I brought up the possibility of intracellular contams and an experienced user (who I hadn't even been addressing) just replied with a laughing gif. Apparently the notion of viruses that could infect cubes existing seemed laughable to them for some reason. There's no real record of such a contam existing, but that's for practical reasons. Viruses don't just grow into lumps of cells on agar the way bacteria and mold do

I know that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, I guess my point is just that it seems that the community places more value on showing off flushes or inventing gimmicky new teks over working together to really understand this organism that we all ostensibly love so much




I completely agree about the common rhetoric around here... it can be pretty dismissive and rejective and it requires a certain amount of objectivity and scrutiny when asking for advice or presenting unconventional ideas...
However, people are typically asking for advice pertinent to the common method, so the advice they receive is going to be pertinent to the common method.
Part of giving advice is giving the evidence necessary to support the claim.
Queue the dense canopy porn, variations on a theme, and idolatrous rabble from those who've achieved the same results from the common method, whether aware of the fundamental principles or not. The rabblers don't need to know those fundamentals, per se, because the common method has been refined and formatted in such a way that simply following its process is means enough to achieve its efficacy. Therefore, the process itself becomes, incomprehensively, the mechanism of its action and is then incessantly harmonized by the choir who've been graced by its prolificacy.

It's definitely refreshing and promotes a healthier community mentality to see people present and succeed with different methods or elaborate differently on fundamental principles. But, when comparing them to the accessibility, efficacy, and productivity of the common method that gives you all that canopy porn, it's pretty clear that other methods mostly come up short. I'm not the one to tell you what the qualitative differences are between pre- and post-sporulated mushrooms or mushrooms grown with a specific nutrient profile, but, as far as production goes, those canopies tell themselves a pretty good story either way.

I'll go on to say that most of those who are well-qualified and experienced tend to take a more neutral alignment when addressing a discussion. They may come off as aggressive or absolutist, but it's usually just a means to cut through the bullshit (like what I'm typing) and to the point. I don't think any of them reject progression or unconventional ideas, I think they just demand the most basic requirement of a proposition - evidence. They already have their evidence and ever-increasing droves of exhibits to support it. Comparatively, unconventional methods are a drop in the pond at this point - even the ones that are proposed or tested by those experienced and well-qualified in the fundamental principles.

Sorry to drag this point out, but the sociology of the community seemed to be a secondary theme here (and all over the mushcult forum.:uhoh:)
In most any society, the droves don't accurately represent their foundation because there's a distortion of fanaticism. The requirement of a bullshit filter is more necessary than ever... in all directions.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26988320 - 10/16/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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I don’t get why people clean the spores. They don’t taste like much really and if you make tea/chocolates/jello/capsules/peanutbuttersandwich/etc you won’t notice them at all. It seems like such an odd thing to get hung up on. I feel like you’re overthinking most of the aspects of this hobby and it’s not helping you much.




They taste and smell bad. Look bad too but that's my opinion. I grow a LOT and it's not all for me. Friends, family and a very large portion to a compassion club in Quebec that helped me out when I was at my wits end battling depression and chronic pain. It's a chore but I guess more of a labour of love. I just whine a lot.

Same thing we used to do with pot. Grow it and make sure those that needed it had it and it was something we were proud of. I guess taste and smell are subjective but to me I really do enjoy my mushrooms tasting like popcorn/tater chips when I shake em up with the good stuff.



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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
    #26988326 - 10/16/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like worrying about spore flavor would be like me worrying about the ink stain on my underwear I wore while shitting my pants. Some turds can't be sufficiently polished.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Smartattack]
    #26988342 - 10/16/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Personal taste is subjective. Cilantro, black licorice and otherwise.
I don't want to tell somebody else they should snack on something I wouldn't do myself. That's just being a decent human being and all it costs me is time.

Again, labour of love for people that use these to try and do things like face another day in the world. I'll gladly take shit from ya'll for trying to be good to people.

I caught a whole pile of shit the month prior too in the general discussion thread for tossing a monotub of fruit after a sporesplosion. A single monotub means beans. I ain't changing one iota on this. I'm a simple farmer trying to do my best for folks.


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    #26988399 - 10/16/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26988433 - 10/16/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I like to think this place is very accepting of unconventional approaches and new ideas so long as they are not promoted as something it’s not or full of potential vectors. I’ve done shit that is fucking ridiculous and retarded however, I’ve rarely been given much flack for it. I wasn’t always a TC and a mod yet when I started pushing the envelope I feel I generally got some support from the community, I was one of the first people to sterilize coir and spawn it in open air. I argued vehemently against the need to properly pasteurize coir, all against the dogma of the day. Hell I even grew cubes on a bath towel for fucks sake and people were all like :rockon:

I’m not blind to the partisanship of some members but I like to think the wider community is much more than that. This place is one of the best IMO. If anyone disagrees that’s their right too. I have little energy to argue with people much these days.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26988455 - 10/16/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Like you kinda mentioned already, the contam didn't have to come from your agar culture. It is possible that the grain wasn't fully "sterilized" I put that in quotes because our grain isn't sterile after a pc cycle. Most is, and it gives us a window of opportunity, in which our cultures will out compete the remaining bacterial endospores.  Some bags contain more endospores than others, it seems. I had a bag that wouldn't couldn't prep and pc without bacteria showing up, until I started PC-ing for 3.5 hours. It was just that one bag and longer pc time def fixed the issue.

Here's this threadwith a heated conversation about this topic. It seems this topic is kinda controversial as well.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26988456 - 10/16/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I want to see the bath towel. I believe the bath towel I just want to see the bath towel.

I like this place but it's on the polar opposite of the spectrum from other places like Reddit, where as with Reddit you get some dinglefuck taping a furnace filter to a box can to get a "broke boi" flowhood with a hundred people applauding here you get the opposite. (We know this won't work and we know the WHY) An ingrained idea with parroted meme as this thread has illustrated and Violent pointed out. When an idea becomes twisted like I kept mentioning about coir and mold being resistant v.s. proof it becomes ape law here. I mean fuck me if coconut oil was capable of mold proofing we'd be coating dimensional lumber in the stuff before it was sold on the Gulf Coast. I don't think anyone can fault my frustration here in this thread at seeing people claiming mold CANNOT germinate on coir when it was said by others that it had a difficult time.

I like this place because it challenges you and only by challenging the norm is progress made in an unscientific environment. We're at simplicity here only because of people who did shit like neglect teks and otherwise. I've stated before when I took an interest in this back in the day people were jury-rigging power supplies to put PC fans in their monotubs and were making LC spin plates out what was left over. Innovative sure but things have moved beyond that.

I just want to scream at people that if someone had mentioned using coir instead of straw/dung etc as a bulk substrate a decade or a decade and a half ago they'd be met with mockery not unlike you see now.

I dunno where I was going with this because I'm lemon tekking some clone candidates but there is good, solid information on Shroomery that goes against the parroted chinese telephone game memes that DOESN'T involve someone claiming ejaculating on their grains leads to faster colonization ALA reddit.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26988494 - 10/16/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I didn’t get many good pics of the towel, I also cut it into strips as well. Here is it pre first flush but I just wasn’t able to get the first flush pics. Third flush neglect pics I did get though.






It was just a small aside project from a larger mess.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25638606


Though I did see okay results on polar fleece. Cased with coir verm and fruited in a mono.




It wasn’t my best work but it was at least a little interesting.


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