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When to shake spawn? (PIC)
#26988156 - 10/16/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here’s a pic of my current spawn. I’m trying rye one last time I flame sterilized between every injection this time. But why is one so slow? Anyways do I shake the ones that are about 50% or wait till 70% please help guide me to fruit. I’ve posted a lot on here and I’m really trying to get some fruits to address some addiction issues I have. Thanks
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Hey I wouldnt worry I always have some that lag behind the others. As long as you dont see any contamination you are good just have to wait it out.
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No expert here, but, if they all were inoculated at the same time and that one jar is stalling maybe it is contam, bacterial, the other ones you can wait for them to colonize a little longer and then a shake and wait for recovery, if they recover fine after a couple days they could be alright. Again, no expert, so i would wait for any experienced growers to chime in, just my 2 cents.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Joe Gage]
#26988173 - 10/16/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can really shake at any point, as long as your spawn is clean it will recover and colonize faster once you distribute those inoculation points. I would definitely shake the ones at 50% but shaking at 20-30% seems to be the standard. No harm doing it late.
Otherwise your jars are looking pretty good, especially if they were inoculated with MSS 
MSS is a crapshoot so I wouldn't really worry about one jar lagging behind the others. It could be contam but it's probably just slower than the others, just keep an eye on it and if there is contam it may stall completely or not colonize certain areas. But I bet if you shake at 30% it'll catch up pretty fast.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Lenz]
#26988420 - 10/16/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, this is my second attempt MSS. First time I didn’t flame sterilize between injections. Each got about 2.5 but I did use a little extra just to finish the syringe I can’t tell you which one though. I shook today I will update in a few days and just use this as a log. Thank you everyone for your help. I’m actually impressed with this syringes so hopefully if it all goes well it will be a one time thing and I can just work with my own after that
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Omg they returned with such vigor! I know this is a multi post but I will update with pic. I got tubs order micropore in case I wanna sit and forget coco coir verm and gypsum on the way anyways. Pics below
After 72 hours

I’m wondering do you think I could stretch these a week until my supplies arrive on Monday?
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They'll need a few days or more to finish up. Never be in a hurry with grain spawn. They can easily sit for a week or more after what appears to be full colonization. The last thing you want is any uncolonized grains getting into your non-sterile bulk substrate. RR
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#26992636 - 10/19/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ahh that explains why full colonization and making 110 percent sure it is, has been drilled into my head. Would you unmod? This is my second attempt my first tek was abysmal no air circulation, neglect. Cobweb, besides the point. I have a 54 coming. I think that 3-4 quarts should be enough for that I want more nutrients from the rye instead of adding gypsum I think coco coir and verm should do fine unless anyone says anymore ?
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these pics are very helpful to me. can you tell me how many days after inoculation are these great pics#thx
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: ghlllll678]
#26992749 - 10/19/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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coir and verm is a solid substrate mixture. shake whenever you want and however much you want, but obviously not everyday. you will get a feel for when to do it with more experience
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: ghlllll678]
#26992816 - 10/19/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is after first shake, inoculate date September 29. I’m looking to birth them to tubs by next week.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26992817 - 10/19/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much ratio Coir to Verm? And does it pasteurize in a cooler together?
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throw the dry coir and dry verm into the cooler. add hot water. let it sit for a few hours. once cool, knock it up with your grain
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I use 1 brick of coir and 2-3 quarts of verm and about 4 quarts of boiling water in a cooler.
if your sub is too wet after that, then you can add verm to soak up the moisture. If it's too dry, you can add water.
If you're worried about the verm being contaminated, you can bake it in the oven to kill any mold spores, but usually not a problem at least with new verm from my experience.
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May bake, I got 10 lbs of coco and I’m not sure the bag of verm I also have gypsum but I have no idea wtf that does but I got it haha
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for cubes, you can get by with just coir. keep it simple
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26992912 - 10/19/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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May try that first go I got other tubs and syringes
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Bod's bucket tek has a good water ratio for coir only.
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as far as water ratio goes, you just gotta feel it out. when you squeeze the substrate material, only a drop or two should come out (search for field capacity)
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26992975 - 10/19/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Am I the only one that’s a little sketched out by the top half of the jar on the right? Could just be the condensation/glare combo but it looks bacterial to me, especially compared to the other ones which look good.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: A.k.a]
#26992985 - 10/19/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
A.k.a said: Am I the only one that’s a little sketched out by the top half of the jar on the right? Could just be the condensation/glare combo but it looks bacterial to me, especially compared to the other ones which look good.
I think its the glare and the jar pry has some design on it as well, not smooth sided
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Camera93]
#26992988 - 10/19/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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he'll find out haha
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: A.k.a]
#26993005 - 10/19/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’ll check shortly and get a better pic uploaded tomorrow. Tubs here today yay!
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So I ordered verm, coir , and gypsum... at this point I’m happy with another good inoculation and I’m shaking every week or so as the past transfer I think I put half colonized grain. You can refer to my previous post to see my troubles, but basically I’m looking for the cheapest most efficient way to harvest. Now just coir as sub was mentioned. This seems preferable as I don’t have the most sanitary techniques and wanna leave as little to error as possible in way of contams. Would it be wise to set the verm and gypsum aside for this first grow? Or just return it and order it next time I’m on a budget and all I’m looking is for a tub full of yummy
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26994278 - 10/20/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plenty of grows have been very successful with coir only
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26994364 - 10/20/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have multiple tubs and the extras, why no run them side by side...?
X with just coir X with coir, verm, gyp X with coir, verm X with coir, gyp
Could be a little experiment for how things work in your environment, but as it's MS it won't show anything conclusive really...
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Pearl]
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you could def do that too. and eventually thats what will happen. as you do more and more, you will further refine your technique and understanding
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26994672 - 10/20/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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To all that have answered thank you for your helps and links. I still have tubs from past grows. And I ordered micropore tape so once I get me a harvest under my belt I’ll start trying things as mentioned above but it seems like common agreement everyone thinks just coir this first grow and I don’t mind that one thing to pasteurize and I’m done. I’m not evening modding the tub unless people think that’s better for a beginner. But to me I think airing and misting manually will help keep me checking on it instead of letting it go. Once again thanks everyone I’ll get pics up of the jars updated once they bounce back from second shake.
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exactly. keep it simple. cubes grow themselves.
it should really be as easy as: spores to agar to grain to coir, mist when needed, harvest when veils break/when caps open for prints
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I still suggest: go with more, but smaller, tubs than one big.
You don't need one large one to have a good harvest, and one suspect jar can easily derail the whole thing.
You don't seem confident, you've got jars growing at wildly different rates, and at least one that could be sketch. I'd hedge my bets...
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Pearl]
#26994815 - 10/20/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly why i love shoeboxes
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what are you talking about?
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Update: shake #2 36 hours

I just took these, I check them from time to time. The humidity worries me but I’m set to shake in another 3 days if you think they are bouncing back well enough?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26997590 - 10/22/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just don’t wanna put an entire quart in a shoebox. I suppose when I pasteurize my coco I can pasteurize enough for a couple of shoeboxes and split a jar and see what happens. How much can you usually pull off a shoebox? obviously dried ..
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ime, the amount you pull is related to how many quarts you use.
i put a quart in a shoebox and get an oz if it is clean spawn and conditions were good
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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When everything’s done I’ll have 4 quarts so hopefully nothing goes bad
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an entire quart in a shoebox definitely isn't a waste of a jar. You can get great yields off shoeboxes and you benefit by segregating suspect jars away from each other for higher chance of success.
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how many mushes you get is going to based off of how much spawn you used, and how much water content your sub has. mushies are 90% water...
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26999530 - 10/23/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well what’s everyone thinking of my last update of pics? I’m thinking I’m a week out I shook again after 2 days so ima let it recoup for 4 this time and show y’all some updates. Definitely don’t wanna use half colonized again so I’m making damn sure this colony is strong.
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chill out on the shakes. you really only need to shake once. of course you can do more, but each time you do it, the mycelium has to spend energy recovering
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
#26999679 - 10/23/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok thanks man, I’m just being over cautious cause the last attempt I put half colonized. It won’t kill it right? Just delay colonization?
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Update I’m only showing one though busy today lemme know what y’all think
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looks good. just leave it alone until it starts pinning, then spawn it
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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Really pinning? That’s interesting tek but makes sense. How far along would you say this is as far as % colonized
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impossible to tell
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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Is this why you wait for pins? Sorry I just had a failed grow twice cause my spawn was done I thought, but ended up only being colonized on surface.
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Should I b worried about condensation? And is the finger like growth just rhizo? I’m eager to get it to sub so I may give it another day or two and spawn chime in if you would
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That’s way ready man. Spawn away.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: A.k.a]
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Hell yeah getting to work on her today then. I’m using just coco on this grow and two quart jars! Thank you for your help brother.
Will provide updates
I hope this serves as a basis for others
Btw everyone I’m trying to adhered to bods unmod tek with 24 hours steeped coco if anyone knows the spawn
Well I was going to use bods unmod until I thought of something i may still add a few holes and micropore tape, instead of poly fill for FAE
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Update. I still haven’t spawned I think ima follow the advice to spawn when I see pins. Do I need to expose to light now? The jars are almost all white
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mushrooms benefit from light at all stages.
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I have never heard of waiting until pinning to spawn. Once you spawn, you’re still in a colonization state, why would you wait for your grain to start fruiting then revert it back to colonization then go back to fruiting?
Those jars are definitely ready to spawn.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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you can do either. i did suggest it, but waiting for pins before spawning to bulk is a bit overkill.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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Alright well Ill get to work on my tub. I’m not really clear on my tek but I guess bods unmod
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sorry for the confusion. my philosophy is dont overthink it.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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That is for sure. I’m overthinking as of last night. If people could review his substrate information it comes in around 1 hr 8 min 14 second mark. Dude makes a comment where he on pasteurize for an hour. He also uses a 1:1 ratio Coir/verm. If you don’t wanna watch it dude basically puts his sub in an old pillowcase after pasturize one hour. I did overnight in a cooler and I uncorked it when I went to bed to let the heat out. Now no biggie if I lose coir, but I don’t wanna lose spawn. I just wanna get everyone’s opinion whether 24 hours or 1 hour?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
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Hey guys just checking i spawned to tub last week. I have rhizo and no signs of cobweb or anything other then mycelium sub looks to be fully colonized just waiting on pins. Quick question I misted it today with distilled water and it looked as if a piece of dust might of dropped but not sure if that will affect anything I don’t wanna get this far and fuck up cause of a tiny piece of dust ?
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You’ll be fine. A fully colonized tub is more than healthy enough to fight off contaminates on its own. You probably want to remove the dust just so you don’t eat it with your shrooms later, you can use hand sanitizer or something if you want to be extra cautious but honestly not even needed. Sterile conditions are only super important at the earliest stages of colonization
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27028527 - 11/08/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol whew! After 70 dollars of failed pre sterilized sub purchases and many bouts of cob web cause of it I’m really happy to hear that. I looked and can’t even seen it it’s so tiny so if i eat it oh well. I smoke dog hair all day in my weed lol I’m just happy to see some progress I’ll update with pics later For future reference for others I just started third tub. Lots of Rhizo on one. I used spring water on. One tub I used just regular tap and the other was distilled. I’m trying a lot of things but thank you for your time and easing my worries. Lol now if only my rhizo would start poppin pins. Soon! Hope everyone is doing well and having a good day. Happy trails Cosmos
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Hey guys I figured I’d get a picture for y’all I couldn’t do my 3rd tub I’m waiting for it to colonize. But here’s my first two. Two different teks I can explain my process if anyone inquires. But one tub is spring water and one tub is tap with gypsum. I find it crazy how much a difference air makes. I don’t know much about this and the one that has less rhizo I think I have to much FAE cause it dries out pretty often. But all in all thank you Shroomery. I thought I never was going to see a cap I’m trying not to disturb them other then to check humidity so I don’t think I’ll update pics until I see pin. But enough of my blabbing. I’m just so damn excited. Once again to everyone that helped. Thank you !
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Are these cased? If not, you shouldn’t have FAE yet
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Well some of them don’t, I had my first tub I made just messing around with what tek works best for me. I didn’t layer them if that’s what you mean, sorry I’m really new. One of them I did the one with the bottom covered. The other with the rhizo just toss and mix. Unfortunately I made a monotub with too many holes I think I have it sealed with breathable microfiber tape. That being said I can’t do much other then mist to keep my humidity up. One case is an unmod. Which is what I think I will stick with until I get my monotub done right. That being said do you think these will make it to harvest if I keep up the moisture with misting distilled water?
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Ok so microphone tape prevents FAE, which is a good thing. What you have in that tub right now is GE, gas exchange. Your mycelium is creating carbon dioxide as it grows, and you want to allow that gas to escape and not build up to toxic levels inside the tub. Micropore tape allows the co2 to leave the tub but the higher pressure inside the tub prevents fresh air from coming back in through the tape.
FAE means you’ve started fanning, not just allowing the co2 to escape, but you’re fully replacing it with fresh oxygen, which is something that shouldn’t happen until you’re fruiting.
So, as of now, seems like you’re good to go
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27031171 - 11/10/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Should I be worried I haven’t seen pins just yet. Like I said I know one tub probably has to much holes cause I have to maintain a mist on it but as far as the others I see lots of rhizo no pins as of yet, although the pictures don’t really show much cause of me trying to remain outside of the tub. I’m just so close yet so far 😂 thank you for explaining that to me. I followed Gordo Tek to a degree which says there’s not really any benefit vs risk to fanning so I may end up cracking the lids to get air but I just wonder when I do it. Or how I trigger pinning. It’s getting light water, and gas exchange but I haven’t seen anything yet and it’s killing me but to be fair this is only day 9 or 10. I shoulda kept better track but I have a lot to do. Thank you all for getting me this far
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Your sub should be 100% colonized before pinning will start, so you still have a bit of time to go and shouldn’t be concerned. Fanning is super important to producing yield once fruiting has started though, high concentrations of co2 in your tub will stunt or even block growth. But I’d say wait until you’re fully colonized (all white) before you try to “trigger” pinning by starting to fan. In your last two pictures, the one on the right was very close but the one on the left still needed a good bit more colonization. I assume the one on the right is the one with gypsum?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Oh, also don’t worry about rhizo vs non-rhizo growth. You injected from multispore syringe, which means your tubs have millions of different kinds of genetics all mixed together. There are two different types of mycelial growth, one being rhizomorphic and the other being soft and fuzzy, and it’s not uncommon to see both growing together in the same multispore tub. You just got “lucky” in a sense that one tub in particular seems to have ended up with almost entirely rhizomorphic genetics, it doesn’t have anything to do with the conditions of your grow
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Yes. The one on the right was actually me trying to get rid of substrate so I can get some new coir for future grows. It was also pasteurized with only tap water no filter, no distilled or spring water. I could of spared for distilled Or spring water like the one on the left but I had a jars ready so I just spawn all of them. Also I screwed up on my first process of making my own so it was a tad bit over room temp so that could probably effect it greatly. In all honesty the one on the left is my first and the one that’s doing the best and I don’t need a substantial harvest laying around. It’s been years for an experience. But I’m looking to try microdosing so I’m fairly sure if I get fruits it will be more then enough to get me as long as I keep it healthy. The one on the left I used spring water which may or may not have had a better nutrient composition I’m not sure what I did right or wrong or if it was just better genetics. To compact This post I know you said to not be concerned rhizo or non but the latter of your post implied I was lucky with Rhizo majoritys in my left tub? Is that just because it’s uncommon to have the same syringes do two different things? I only inquire to ask if I should be trying to isolate the spores from that one for future use? I’d like to not buy anything but my sub supplies again so I can remain off grid after I get a few Harvest and a perfect my tek.
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i made the experience that the mycelium not realy like the shakement, sometimes the growing slows down or even stops.. i do it only 1 time but strong.. i massage my unicorn bags and hold spawn in the hand while turning the bag.. sorry my english... haha.. like this iam sure the mycelium is everywere then.
i shake at day 5 after incubation.. when there is a nice developed spot.. chunk this spot off and shake.. your jars r realy reay for shake.. looks like 10 days after incubation or so
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That’s why I put “lucky” in quotes. I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other, but in order to have a tub come out almost exclusively rhizo is pure chance, or “luck.” Your syringe has millions of spores in it and each one is different genetically, so winding up with a mixture of different types of mycelia growth is far more likely than ending up with almost exclusively one or the other, in any given tub.
I’m inclined to think that the biggest difference in growth between those two tubs is the gypsum, meaning that nothing is wrong with the slower-growing tub, it just needs a bit more time because the gypsum is speeding things up in the other tub.
At this point all I can say about your grow is that it’s going great... 10-14 days from spawn to 100% colonization is completely normal, and from the point of 100% colonization plus the introduction of fresh air exchange, 7-10 days for mature fruits is common. So, best case scenario, you might see pins around 12 days from spawn but definitely don’t be concerned if you don’t see them before 20. It sounds like you’re erring on the side of caution and patience which is when grows go well. It’s when people slack or rush things that grows go south.
Also, I didn’t see it in this thread, but what strain are you growing?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Well that’s actually what’s perplexing. I’m wondering if gypsum hindered my growth. The first tub with almost all rhizo was simply coco and verm no gypsum the one that’s slow is gypsum and then I added gypsum to another one that wasn’t featured in the photos. I do air on the side of caution with everything cause I enjoy this hobby. I like seeing the growth I like being connected to what I’m growing I even talk to the mycelium. Ehh idk if that helps. Long story short this isn’t a quick way to get fucked up to me. It may be a way to fix depression and anxiety I’ve faced for years without disgusting pharms. I’m just letting Things go the way they go. I see no cobweb no contams so whatever happens happens. Ima jump for joy when I see the first pins babies though I won’t lie. Lol
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: kassel88]
#27031496 - 11/10/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I noticed that I shook to much on this one. Which could be why it’s slowed. One jar I adhered to maybe once or twice but as a general rule I tried to make sure I couldn’t see really any grain by the time I was done. Obviously you could still see grain Im wondering if there is 100% colonization or just enough colonization to fight off its opponents. Next jars I star I believe ima shake once about halfway through
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So we seem to be talking about different things, or at least using our words differently.
The tub with almost all rhizo is colonizing more slowly than the other. The one on the right was very close to 100% colonization, may need an extra day or two from the photo. The one on the left with the rhizo still has a big chunk of uncolonized substrate, which means it’s going slower, more like 85-90% colonized. The one with the gypsum is going faster, it just doesn’t look as pretty because it’s not all rhizomorphic.
I asked in the last post but I edited it in so maybe you didn’t see it, what strain is this?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Lol I totally got confused I thought vice versa. That’s crazy well I’ll definitely make sure I pay equal attention then
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Such little progress. Stalling. Close to colonization or it may be from bottom up either way I’m say I’m on day 10 either way I’ll update when there’s something to be updated other then a few spots filling in. Would turning the heat up over 75 help?
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You have an updated pic? What strain are you working with?
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Nah there’s a picture above my tubs are maybe 10 percent more but no where near half although a few are starting to be. They are mutli spore golden teachers. I keep the house usually between 72-75 maintain mist and have been exposing to light for a while now. I’m just wondering what temp is usually optimum growth and if you look at the picture above of my tubs could you just give me a quick guess as to when I would see pins.
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Your pictures above are well beyond halfway colonized, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say about stalling. The one that was less colonized, with all the rhizo, was around 90% so if it’s 10% more than that then it should be close to ready to go. Have you introduced FAE yet?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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I only saw pics from 5 days ago. How they look now? I've seen posts that say temps will be fine between 55-80F How's the FAE? Have you put the tubs into fruiting conditions?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27039947 - 11/15/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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No but to the both of you I’m starting cause I don’t have time to wait much longer living arrangements are changing so I gotta get it done. Ima crack the lid 5 minutes 3 times a day unless Y’all think otherwise we just got a lot of dog hat so I’m not trying kick that up by fanning
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The first two are updates from tubs I put up first and a picture of a third tub started I put two jars in just to get rid of them I can always make more I’ve now cracked kids and will begin FAE
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Thanks guys I about starved my poor babies. If anyone has something a stoner can do for FAE I cannot/will not fam with my lid so I’m cracking about 3 x daily now for about 5 or 10. If anyone knows anything different HMU
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By the way I know it’s patching but that one clump to the side is just uncolonized spawn. I know i coulda did better breaking it up but I’ll worry about beauty when I have first harvest.
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I’m sorry I will stop with the quadruple post. I’m on the side of caution. Would it be ok to leave lids about halfway on. Or just crack it and about how long and how many times a day? I’m ready to pin whatever’s there. Moisture is fine light in the room is amazing surrounded all sides from 6 am to 6 pm. Should I stop my misting to lower humidity and keep crack to drop my CO2?
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FYI, the tubs are going to fruit when they’re ready. You can keep tubs in conditions that keep them from fruiting and then introduce “fruiting conditions” once the tub is where you want it, but you can’t force a tub to pin before it was going to anyway. Hopefully your tubs are close enough that they’ll pin soon but don’t be surprised if you change all these conditions and they still don’t pin for awhile
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Well it still should be getting fresh air though correct?
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I have never introduced fresh air before a tub was 100% colonized, but apparently a lot of people do it that way these days so it shouldn’t hurt, supposedly. If the tub is fully colonized then yes, it should definitely be getting fresh air
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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So here’s the update since I’m kinda confused. These are my tubs and how they are cracked. I was confused at first as to whether I leave them cracked or go back and forth. I have stopped misting they are plenty wet as you can tell I may lose one but I’m hoping the featured yellow liquid is just myc metab as I showed you and update from inside the tub. We keep it hot in here so I’m sure it will evaporate there’s no smell just earthy but here from here until fruit I’m assume I leave cracked and mist if dry cause it seems pinning and primordia has started in all my tubs. I will update when there’s an update.
I worry about that uncolonized spot but ehhh I did it unlevel and still have a lot of work on my tek.
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We got pins!!!!!!!!!! I already fanned and misted this morning or I’d post pictures but they are so tiny now it’s hard to even see. But I see the light and personally I wanna thank everyone on this site for each and every bit of information and direction y’all gave me, without your knowledge and direction I probably woulda crushed my box threw away everything in anger and frustration once again. I just wanted to thank y’all you all deserve a raise and I’d give you one if I wasn’t broke.
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Pins horrible picture but you guys deserve a reward.
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Wow! Super fast and congrats. Won’t be long now
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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I probably missed them. I’m having difficulties where I’m living so until that’s figured out I wanna get to harvest and get these tubs done, I introduced FAE 3 x daily light fan and cracks. I’ve sectioned the room off the best way possible and placed cheesecloth over my heat vents to prevent debris. It’s surrounded my light 12 hours. I’m very excited and thank you man I got a little frustrated thinking it would never happen but you helped calmly explain what I should do and didn’t just say I’m a dumbass for my sub not being even, my tub not being all the way right. You are what makes this site a good place to come. Still no pin in rhizo tub, and I’m getting myc metabolism so I’m wondering if it’s a contam but so far no color changes or smell. So ima let it go for a little further and then I still have a tub about a week behind so that I can continually dunk and harvest provided things go right it looks like it’s going be a fun holiday season 😂😂😂🔥 sorry for the emojis I’m damn happy right now !
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When you say myc metabolism, you mean little yellow puddles?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Yeah I have a hard time calling it myc piss cause from what I gather it’s antibiotical due to some kinda contam. I’m not having any odd smells though I uploaded pictures yesterday above of what I’m seeing. It looks to be evaporating as well the more and more I exposed to fresh air so I’m not worrying just yet. Either way I got one tub that’s enough for me if this one fails.
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I’ve had those pop up in a handful of grows and I’ve never had any problems. Just fold up a paper towel and dip the corner into the puddle and let it soak it up. I can tell you’re being very cautious about contams but it’s really not necessary at this point, your mycelium is healthy and can fight off any contaminants that are introduced at this point, so don’t be worried about touching it with a paper towel, the pooling liquid would be a bigger concern to me
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Well here’s the problem. Here’s where it’s at its only one side. What I may do since you say it’s fine for contams now is just open the top and let evaporate here’s update pics. Pardon pictures again I’m trying to play some Call of Duty at the same time ahah
As you can see it’s not all over the tub or I’d be more worried. I believe I over watered a tad. This tubs an unmod so unless the tops open I doubt it has a chance to fully evaporate.

I just fear trying to get to the bottom Corner of a tub is more trouble then it’s worth if it was the top I’d listen but I’d effectively have to lift my block and hold it together. So it is what it is. Since you say contams are rarely going be a problem now I’m opening cracking the lid on this tub so it has access to air for time being
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Oh I see, I was picturing it pooling up on your surface, yeah not much you can do to get it from the bottom. No worries with leaving your lid open as long as your surface moisture doesn’t suffer. Definitely don’t let any pins dry out or they’ll abort on you
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Does this look trich to you?
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Hard to tell, it seems like there might be a slight tint of green but I can’t tell if it’s just the lighting/camera. You see that green in person? Is that the tub with the yellow liquid?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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No tub, I changed flashlights it’s white this is the one with the mushrooms. But everytime I look they are doubling in size so idk. I still got one tub I’m kinda neglecting as it’s holding my fruiting one off the ground for fanning. Am I looking about 2 weeks now before I get matures? Maybe a little faster slower depending on strain?
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It could take 2 weeks if they grow slow, but 7-10 days is pretty normal, and if you’re noticing significant growth in between checks then probably on the lower side of that
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
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Yeah I believe I may of lucked up genetics. And may of been just a big enough fuck up that I fucked it up enough to get everything just right. I’m still just kinda looking like damn i didn’t create this but I did with hardly any hard hard labor so rewarding this hobby is.
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Can you re sub. So for example I have a ton of broken cakes from 3 larger one. I thought some negative vibes and thought the cops was coming (don’t wish to discuss issue that brought that on) long story short I dumped all my tubs. Well I went back and salvaged it when everything was good. So I have one tub full of different cakes It could be a mix of three tubs, or two tubs or just the same tub so as for genetically being the same I’m not sure. im getting good harvest but it’s to difficult to do cakes individually I was wondering if I could harvest what I have so everything is flat but the small pins and then make enough sub to cover everything and if the mycelium would colonize it all back into one block again? Or if it that’s more work then it’s worth. I know I’ll keep getting flushes until blocks are spent and I maintain humidity and water I’m currently doing just that just and harvesting as I see fit. I tried to cold shock a few blocks in a bowl and pouring cold water over the top until half submerged and holding it down and flipping it but that’s to much work it would be easier to fill and drain one block in the tub as opposed to 8 or 9 cakes puzzled back into one tub. Please lemme know ASAP so I can get started on my sub. I wouldn’t need much maybe a casing layer about a half inch and to even things out? Do you think my idea would work or just harvest until I can’t anymore and start fresh?
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I’m not fully able to picture what you’re talking about, but in theory if you crumbled everything up and re-mixed it with some coir it should start growing mycelium again and eventually start fruiting again.
Is that what you’re asking?
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27059882 - 11/27/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, so would I have to take the loss on losing current pin set? I don’t mind but I’m looking to do a few things like even out my sub get it to the ridge of where it’s taped and sectioned off to keep from side pinning I see now why it was stressed to make sure it was even and not just slopped. I guess what I can do is make my sub now. Work on a final harvest on any available fruits and then case it and start again I’ll take pictures and show you what I been getting and what it looks like before here shortly Btw hope you had a happy and blessed thanksgiving!
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So I got my current tote mixed

but I’m going to the line with sub when it’s done tomorrow Let’s take a moment of silence for all those baby pins lost today for the greater I got plenty now so no biggie I’ll drop some eye candy of before the harvest I was getting below

I probably shoulda just been happy but I had leftover verm and a fresh block of coir and I know it don’t look like it but that fucked with my ocd having different cakes. Probably still looking at different fruiting times. But thank you green you helped me achieve what I set out for.
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Pearl]
#27060408 - 11/27/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did exactly what you said and ended up with some amazing results. Sadly I dumped tubs in state of panic but I salvaged a full one and got a few flushes from different chunks next grow ima follow through 100 percent. Thank you for your response
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: A.k.a]
#27060413 - 11/27/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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They don’t look like yours but I figured I’d respond with an update maybe read through no contams this time thank god. But I dumped 3 tubs outta paranoia thought 12 was up to something. So I salvaged. I included some pics from what I harvest before I chose to consolidate clumps.
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When consolidating it should I place back in incubation state with complete darkness my sub casing will be ready tomorrow I plan to dump fill to black line mix and wait. Hopefully I got some strong genetics def pulling spore prints if they survive all this
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I really hope this will colonize I mean I got enough off before I mixed it that I could start new and not be out but I’m just hoping this will work. Sub added yesterday morning. Do you think cold shocking would help colonize anyone or just let it sit and if it does it does?
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Just let it sit, it will take time to colonize just like before, maybe an extra day or two because it’s having to revert from fruiting back to colonization. But just wait on it, you already know you have good conditions because they already grew once
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27066077 - 12/01/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah we went from here

To here

So about a week out ima keep checking on it thank you once again dude hope you had a good holiday
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Any special way I can store these in general? Is freezing useless. They are dried cracker dry and I got a silica at the bottom of jar may add another. And also how would you store for long distance car travel if need be I know the risks. Just wondering ? I’ve heard of blue juice and honey. Seems promising if I didn’t want a bunch of caps around or on me if I had to drive with ? Thanks greens. Hope your doing good. Dm me your email as well bro
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I’m going to post a chocolate recipe in the next couple of days, you can check that out. They’ll store for years in the freezer and they’re super discreet for travel. You can look up other chocolate recipes if you want but I like mine way better than any I’ve seen posted here before
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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
#27076080 - 12/06/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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