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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27011658 - 10/30/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Big_Dub]
    #27028426 - 11/08/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys just checking i spawned to tub last week. I have rhizo and no signs of cobweb or anything other then mycelium sub looks to be fully colonized just waiting on pins.  Quick question I misted it today with distilled water and it looked as if a piece of dust might of dropped but not sure if that will affect anything I don’t wanna get this far and fuck up cause of a tiny piece of dust ?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27028514 - 11/08/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You’ll be fine. A fully colonized tub is more than healthy enough to fight off contaminates on its own. You probably want to remove the dust just so you don’t eat it with your shrooms later, you can use hand sanitizer or something if you want to be extra cautious but honestly not even needed. Sterile conditions are only super important at the earliest stages of colonization


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27028527 - 11/08/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Lol whew! After 70 dollars of failed pre sterilized sub purchases and many bouts of cob web cause of it I’m really happy to hear that. I looked and can’t even seen it it’s so tiny so if i eat it oh well. I smoke dog hair all day in my weed lol I’m just happy to see some progress I’ll update with pics later For future reference for others  I just started third tub. Lots of Rhizo on one. I used spring water on.  One tub I used just regular tap and the other was distilled. I’m trying a lot of things but thank you for your time and easing my worries. Lol now if only my rhizo would start poppin pins.  Soon! Hope everyone is doing well and having a good day.  Happy trails Cosmos


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27029894 - 11/09/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys I figured I’d get a picture for y’all I couldn’t do my 3rd tub I’m waiting for it to colonize.  But here’s my first two. Two different teks I can explain my process if anyone inquires. But one tub is spring water and one tub is tap with gypsum. I find it crazy how much a difference air makes.  I don’t know much about this and the one that has less rhizo I think I have to much FAE cause it dries out pretty often. But all in all thank you Shroomery.  I thought I never was going to see a cap I’m trying not to disturb them other then to check humidity so I don’t think I’ll update pics until I see pin. But enough of my blabbing.  I’m just so damn excited.  Once again to everyone that helped. Thank you !



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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27030495 - 11/09/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Are these cased? If not, you shouldn’t have FAE yet


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031112 - 11/10/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well some of them don’t, I had my first tub I made just messing around with what tek works best for me. I didn’t layer them if that’s what you mean, sorry I’m really new.  One of them I did the one with the bottom covered. The other with the rhizo just toss and mix.  Unfortunately I made a monotub with too many holes I think I have it sealed with breathable microfiber tape.  That being said I can’t do much other then mist to keep my humidity up. One case is an unmod. Which is what I think I will stick with until I get my monotub done right.  That being said do you think these will make it to harvest if I keep up the moisture with misting distilled water?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather] * 1
    #27031146 - 11/10/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so microphone tape prevents FAE, which is a good thing. What you have in that tub right now is GE, gas exchange. Your mycelium is creating carbon dioxide as it grows, and you want to allow that gas to escape and not build up to toxic levels inside the tub. Micropore tape allows the co2 to leave the tub but the higher pressure inside the tub prevents fresh air from coming back in through the tape.

FAE means you’ve started fanning, not just allowing the co2 to escape, but you’re fully replacing it with fresh oxygen, which is something that shouldn’t happen until you’re fruiting.

So, as of now, seems like you’re good to go


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031171 - 11/10/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Should I be worried I haven’t seen pins just yet. Like I said I know one tub probably has to much holes cause I have to maintain a mist on it but as far as the others I see lots of rhizo no pins as of yet, although the pictures don’t really show much cause of me trying to remain outside of the tub. I’m just so close yet so far 😂 thank you for explaining that to me. I followed Gordo Tek to a degree which says there’s not really any benefit vs risk to fanning so I may end up cracking the lids to get air but I just wonder when I do it. Or how I trigger pinning. It’s getting light water, and gas exchange but I haven’t seen anything yet and it’s killing me but to be fair this is only day 9 or 10. I shoulda kept better track but I have a lot to do.  Thank you all for getting me this far


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27031354 - 11/10/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Your sub should be 100% colonized before pinning will start, so you still have a bit of time to go and shouldn’t be concerned. Fanning is super important to producing yield once fruiting has started though, high concentrations of co2 in your tub will stunt or even block growth. But I’d say wait until you’re fully colonized (all white) before you try to “trigger” pinning by starting to fan. In your last two pictures, the one on the right was very close but the one on the left still needed a good bit more colonization. I assume the one on the right is the one with gypsum?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031367 - 11/10/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, also don’t worry about rhizo vs non-rhizo growth. You injected from multispore syringe, which means your tubs have millions of different kinds of genetics all mixed together. There are two different types of mycelial growth, one being rhizomorphic and the other being soft and fuzzy, and it’s not uncommon to see both growing together in the same multispore tub. You just got “lucky” in a sense that one tub in particular seems to have ended up with almost entirely rhizomorphic genetics, it doesn’t have anything to do with the conditions of your grow


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031390 - 11/10/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. The one on the right was actually me trying to get rid of substrate so I can get some new coir for future grows. It was also pasteurized with only tap water no filter, no distilled or spring water.  I could of spared for distilled Or spring water like the one on the left but I had a jars ready so I just spawn all of them.  Also I screwed up on my first process of making my own so it was a tad bit over room temp so that could probably effect it greatly. In all honesty the one on the left is my first and the one that’s doing the best and I don’t need a substantial harvest laying around. It’s been years for an experience. But I’m looking to try microdosing so I’m fairly sure if I get fruits it will be more then enough to get me as long as I keep it healthy. The one on the left I used spring water which may or may not have had a better nutrient composition I’m not sure what I did right or wrong or if it was just better genetics. To compact This post I know you said to not be concerned rhizo or non but the latter of your post implied I was lucky with Rhizo majoritys in  my left tub? Is that just because it’s uncommon to have the same syringes do two different things? I only inquire to ask if I should be trying to isolate the spores from that one for future use? I’d like to not buy anything but my sub supplies again so I can remain off grid after I get a few Harvest and a perfect my tek.


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27031449 - 11/10/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

i made the experience that the mycelium not realy like the shakement, sometimes the growing slows down or even stops.. i do it only 1 time but strong.. i massage my unicorn bags and hold spawn in the hand while turning the bag.. sorry my english... haha.. like this iam sure the mycelium is everywere then.

i shake at day 5 after incubation.. when there is a nice developed spot.. chunk this spot off and shake.. your jars r realy reay for shake.. looks like 10 days after incubation or so :smile:


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27031474 - 11/10/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That’s why I put “lucky” in quotes. I don’t think one is necessarily better than the other, but in order to have a tub come out almost exclusively rhizo is pure chance, or “luck.” Your syringe has millions of spores in it and each one is different genetically, so winding up with a mixture of different types of mycelia growth is far more likely than ending up with almost exclusively one or the other, in any given tub.

I’m inclined to think that the biggest difference in growth between those two tubs is the gypsum, meaning that nothing is wrong with the slower-growing tub, it just needs a bit more time because the gypsum is speeding things up in the other tub.

At this point all I can say about your grow is that it’s going great... 10-14 days from spawn to 100% colonization is completely normal, and from the point of 100% colonization plus the introduction of fresh air exchange, 7-10 days for mature fruits is common. So, best case scenario, you might see pins around 12 days from spawn but definitely don’t be concerned if you don’t see them before 20. It sounds like you’re erring on the side of caution and patience which is when grows go well. It’s when people slack or rush things that grows go south.

Also, I didn’t see it in this thread, but what strain are you growing?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031486 - 11/10/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well that’s actually what’s perplexing. I’m wondering if gypsum hindered my growth.  The first tub with almost all rhizo was simply coco and verm no gypsum the one that’s slow is gypsum and then I added gypsum to another one that wasn’t featured in the photos.  I do air on the side of caution with everything cause I enjoy this hobby. I like seeing the growth I like being connected to what I’m growing I even talk to the mycelium.  Ehh idk if that helps. Long story short this isn’t a quick way to get fucked up to me. It may be a way to fix depression and anxiety I’ve faced for years without disgusting pharms.  I’m just letting Things go the way they go. I see no cobweb no contams so whatever happens happens. Ima jump for joy when I see the first pins babies though I won’t lie.  Lol


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: kassel88]
    #27031496 - 11/10/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I noticed that I shook to much on this one.  Which could be why it’s slowed.  One jar I adhered to maybe once or twice but as a general rule I tried to make sure I couldn’t see really any grain by the time I was done. Obviously you could still see grain Im wondering if there is 100% colonization or just enough colonization to fight off its opponents. Next jars I star I believe ima shake once about halfway through


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27031506 - 11/10/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So we seem to be talking about different things, or at least using our words differently.

The tub with almost all rhizo is colonizing more slowly than the other. The one on the right was very close to 100% colonization, may need an extra day or two from the photo. The one on the left with the rhizo still has a big chunk of uncolonized substrate, which means it’s going slower, more like 85-90% colonized. The one with the gypsum is going faster, it just doesn’t look as pretty because it’s not all rhizomorphic.

I asked in the last post but I edited it in so maybe you didn’t see it, what strain is this?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: Greens21]
    #27031572 - 11/10/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I totally got confused I thought vice versa. That’s crazy well I’ll definitely make sure I pay equal attention then


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27037067 - 11/13/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Such little progress. Stalling. Close to colonization or it may be from bottom up either way I’m say I’m on day 10 either way I’ll update when there’s something to be updated other then a few spots filling in. Would turning the heat up over 75 help?


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Re: When to shake spawn? (PIC) [Re: funeralfather]
    #27037134 - 11/13/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You have an updated pic? What strain are you working with?


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