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The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do.
    #26988098 - 10/16/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The Government does not have the right to tell you what you can and can't put in your own body... Nor do they have the right to force you to wear a seltbelt, mask or compell you to speak to them, or show ID. No one has a higher moral authority over your life than you, but you do not have the right or moral authority to use Government to use arbitrary violence to push your will...

In other words, FUCK THE GOVERNMENT!!! Fuck Derp Jerp Terp, and fuck the rest of them... Their "Authority" is FICTIONAL, and they are nothing more than a protection racket for the Corporate Oligarchy that controls the World for resources and profits.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 3
    #26988108 - 10/16/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If the government has no moral authority over my life, then the government cannot stop me from robbing you at gunpoint or killing you, and in fact, cannot take any actions to stop me from doing so, or punish me for doing so.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26988137 - 10/16/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Government wouldn't "stop" you anyway. Calling the cops and waiting 20 mins to an hour for them to show isn't going to stop you... You know what will stop you? Metal knuckles, guns, and fold out batons.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26988138 - 10/16/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

IE- What the cops use after the fact, when the crime has already been committed.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 2
    #26988139 - 10/16/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Under your premise, cops should not exist. Neither should the military.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26988142 - 10/16/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed. The military is just the strong arm of the NWO. The Military-industrial complex is about making money... People are not all too different regardless of what arbitrary lines on the map they were born within. The Military has done nothing but forced banana republics, helped the oil industry and Halliburton with middle eastern domination... Even Vietnam was a fucked up war where we burned citizens homes and sprayed toxic chemicals on them AND our own troops, causing birth defects to this day... Tell me Kronos, how do you rectify support of such inhumane and endless violence that is the State?


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26988146 - 10/16/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Youre right to an extent. Thats why its a social contract. We work and pay in for the protection. If the entity we the people have the contract with abuses that power or becomes corrupt, thays a different story.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26988152 - 10/16/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Contracts by definition require consent. Forced contracts or contracts done under duress are not voluntary or consensual, therefore logically, there is no social contract.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 2
    #26988335 - 10/16/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Again, assuming no social contract, there is nothing stopping me from killing you. As a matter of fact, you bring up a number of good reasons *for* breaking into your house and shooting you in the middle of the night.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Kryptos]
    #26988404 - 10/16/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Again, assuming no social contract, there is nothing stopping me from killing you. As a matter of fact, you bring up a number of good reasons *for* breaking into your house and shooting you in the middle of the night.





Real nice, letting a political discussion dissolve into threats. As an observation, it is extremely telling that the State (and its' propagandists) can't defend their views with logic and therefore immediately resort to violence and threats of violence. Not much different than a protection racket like the Italian Mafia... You, sir, have proven my point exactly.


“Since mankind's dawn, a handful of oppressors have accepted the responsibility over our lives that we should have accepted for ourselves. By doing so, they took our power. By doing nothing, we gave it away. We've seen where their way leads, through camps and wars, towards the slaughterhouse.”
― Alan Moore, V for Vendetta


"The Individual has a soul, but as the state is a soulless machine, it can never be weaned from violence to which it owes its very existence".~Mahatma Ghandi



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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26988407 - 10/16/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26988429 - 10/16/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Real nice, letting a political discussion dissolve into threats. You've admitted you're a State Propagandist so there is really no reason to carry on this conversation. But as an observation, it is extremely telling that the State (and its' propagandists) can't defend their views with logic and therefore immediately resort to violence and threats of violence.



I think you missed his point.  He wasn't threatening you, he was explaining why we need laws to help ensure people DON'T rob and kill you.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26988437 - 10/16/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

people rob and kill anyway, even though it's against the law... Just like people do drugs even though they're against the law. Laws do not change behaviors, and cops don't show up until after a crime has been committed. I am from New York... I understand there are "bad" people out there... But the thing is 95% are not robbing, raping and murdering people, and the other 5% are gang members (which make money SOLELY from the Drug wars, and other prohibited markets) and COPS who do MOST of the killing, especially the inhumane senseless killing. Robbing also, they have civil asset forfeiture laws where they can STEAL your property without proving you guilty of anything! These excuses are just nonsense when it comes to justifying giving one group of men the "authority" to kill, steal, rob, rape, exploit, kidnap etc etc.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26988444 - 10/16/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

And anyway, his argument was sort of nonsensical anyway because there's no much worse of a punishment than instant death. I'm sure most people would pick 5 years in a jail than instant death.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 2
    #26988450 - 10/16/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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And anyway, his argument was sort of nonsensical anyway because there's no much worse of a punishment than instant death. I'm sure most people would pick 5 years in a jail than instant death.





You should assess and reassess what you are sure of.

Sounds like you live in a very black-and-white world.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 1
    #26988458 - 10/16/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Laws do not change behaviors...



I disagree.  If I see a lot of people who live in the rich part of town are gangsters because there are no laws against it, I might be tempted to become a gangster myself so I can live in the rich part of town too.  :shrug:


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26988473 - 10/16/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No, I live in the real world. Revolving door prisons of murderers, rapists and, petty drug users does not help the situation. In fact, they cause a lot of these problems they then convince you that you need their protection to protect you from. Alcohol prohibition created Alcohol Gangs, such as that of the notorious Al Capone... Just as drug prohibition created people like Pablo Escabar... But instead of admitting to their failure, they double down and say the problem is that we dont have a 100 ft wall around the country to protect you from from these big scary cartels, who Government basically funnels money, and sells guns to...


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26988483 - 10/16/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

We created Al Qaeda too... Bin Laden was a CIA asset , who was funded by our government from the 80's till about 1992...


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: STPLSD25] * 1
    #26988513 - 10/16/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I live in the real world. Revolving door prisons of murderers, rapists and, petty drug users does not help the situation. In fact, they cause a lot of these problems they then convince you that you need their protection to protect you from. Alcohol prohibition created Alcohol Gangs, such as that of the notorious Al Capone... Just as drug prohibition created people like Pablo Escabar... But instead of admitting to their failure, they double down and say the problem is that we dont have a 100 ft wall around the country to protect you from from these big scary cartels, who Government basically funnels money, and sells guns to...
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We created Al Qaeda too... Bin Laden was a CIA asset , who was funded by our government from the 80's till about 1992...



I agree with every point you just made (except that YOU live in the real world, implying anyone who disagrees doesn't).  I'm against drug/alcohol prohibition too, I think our prison system is totally corrupt, and I know we helped religious extremists in Afghanistan.  But I think that's a lot different from saying if you steal or kill, the Government shouldn't do anything.


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Re: The Government does NOT have a higher moral authority over your life than you do. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26988529 - 10/16/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That was a reply to the gentleman before you about living "in a black and white world," it was not my intention to subjugate others. And to your last point, I don't think the Government should exist to do anything, but on a communal level, I think people should and would do something. People aren't going to want a murderous, robbing house thief living in their neighborhood, or even city. The "wild west" actually had less murders per capita than we do today... So, it really wasn't all too "wild" when everyone took measures to defend themselves.It's scary, because as humans we want security, but imho it is more scary to continue to give the government the authority to do all the things we are afraid of happening... Including robbery, rape, theft, exploitation, forced labor, (prisons)and murder... I do believe we can adapt to find better means.


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