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Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. * 1
    #26987749 - 10/15/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Cops in Alabama like to pull people over for no reason and start searching their cars illegally. It's common practice.

This story is all over the place because I was smoking a joint while typing so just read the whole story Here.

I have a good friend of 12 years who has since moved to the east side of the country. She visited California for vacation a couple months ago. While she was here, she bought tons of drugs to take back with her. 30 tabs of acid on candies, a few mollies, an ounce of mushrooms, and a weed vape. 4 felonies, 40 years of prison. She has no priors so she got out super lucky the day of arraignment. $6,000 fines, drug classes, 100 hours community service. She used a public defender. No more jail time other than the night she was pulled over. She has some friends who bailed her out and then told her all the stories about cops in Alabama pulling over their friends and friends of friends searching their cars without permission and finding drugs.

They pull you over either for no reason or they make something up like a broken  licence plate light bulb, profile you (most of the people they seem to search have unnatural dyed hair like pink or blue or multi colored hair, my friend had dyed hair), and then they proceed to help themselves into your car and trunk and search your car. My friend said it didn't take long for them to find the drugs, they knew what they were doing and knew where to look. Found ALL the candies, mollies, shrooms, and empty vape pen at the bottom of a back pack.

Completely illegal and they could get sued civilly but the public defender told her if she ever tries to sue before her program is over, the prosecutor will most likely charge her to the full extent, weigh all the candies and everything and lock her up for 40 years to life.

Lesson learned. Drive around Alabama if you need to get to Georgie or Florida, even if you're not carrying.

Edit: I just remembered also the cops lied and said they smelled weed in the car but they never smoked in that car ever. They actually just bought the car in ca.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987772 - 10/15/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm. I live in Alabama. Usually they do have a legit reason to pull you over but not always.  I got super-troopered a few years ago but I wasn't riding dirty and I was sober so nothing bad came of it.  I got pulled over with weed in the car once for turning where I wasn't supposed to, but I got let go with no mention of the weed smell coming from my pocket. I got pulled over near the same intersection where I turned illegally a year later because my headlight went out on the way home. I had a gravity bong stinking to high heaven in my passenger seat and I didnt even get a ticket. Just had to show the sheriff I replaced it within a week. My county is known for being hard on drugs, too, many of my friends have misdemeanor weed charges here. Maybe I'm just lucky because it seems most cops I have interacted with are pretty reasonable and understandable.

Shit, i remember the only time i got arrested the cops basically seemed apologetic because it was for a bunch of weed and i wasn't even driving. Aside for the lame stoner jokes they lobbed at me they were pretty respectful.

My story doesn't reflect everyone else's experiences though. I'm not exceptionally good at talking to cops but I definitely dont say anything to cause them to want to fuck me harder.

It sucks, most counties in alabama still have ridiculous sentencing practices for drug possession.  I have never been subjected to an illegal search, but I know it happens on purpose and by accident.  Hope your friend doesn't have to serve time for possession bullshit after everything is ironed out.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987776 - 10/15/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You just reminded me. She did say that the cops lied and said they smelled weed but it did not smell at all in the car. They never smoked in that car.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987777 - 10/15/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

She also told me that these cops never ran the license plates and never even did a background or anything. They quickly charged them and put them in jail.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #26987780 - 10/15/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

They could have lied about it, but they also could have smelled it. I have never had a good and accurate sense of smell, and since I smoke my olfactory shit definitely gets hindered further.  I think in a lot of cases where the defendant thought there could be no weed fragrance to smell to initiate probable cause there actually may have been even when they don't sic the hounds.  As a smoker you are so acclimatized to the scent of weed that you can't smell it as well as someone who doesn't regularly partake.

Most people tell they're version of events.  If your friend is female, well, cops are typically known for giving females breaks. Not everytime, not saying that, but it is sort of a thing women low key like to brag about (in my experience). Which leads me to believe that your friend was doing something that led to the eventual search where she got charged. Or possibly said something to cause the cops to want to give her a hard time


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987782 - 10/15/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How would she know if they ran her plates?  You have to have a background check before you are arrested or detained?


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987794 - 10/16/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How would she know if they ran her plates?  You have to have a background check before you are arrested or detained?



Okay so she sort of bought the car through a different means than normal and the car was actually registered to a state other than her driver's license and other than California. I didn't ask her how she acquired the car but she was able to get it registered and everything in her state that she lives in. They would have known about this if they ran her plates. She bought the car during her vacation in ca. A nice car too I'm surprised it got pulled over. But my friend literally told me herself they did not run her plates or even check for warrants or anything or else they would have asked about the State registration.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987797 - 10/16/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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She did say that the cops lied and said they smelled weed but it did not smell at all in the car. They never smoked in that car.




cops do this shit all the time. happened to me a few time. one time in particular i was passing through nebraska. no weed in the car and no smoking in the car for weeks. cops tore apart my car looking for a crumb, a speck, a roach of weed.. didn't find a thing..

ive since learned my lesson but as soon as the cop said he smelled weed i became very irate and vocal about how that is a lie. that got me handcuffed and put into the back of the cop car.

fuck police.

stay out of nebraska ladies and gents.

to be fair, my brother was speeding and thats why they pulled us, but i think our long hair and peace-sign stickers got them hyped think8ng they are about to make a big weed bust.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987799 - 10/16/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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They could have lied about it, but they also could have smelled it. I have never had a good and accurate sense of smell, and since I smoke my olfactory shit definitely gets hindered further.  I think in a lot of cases where the defendant thought there could be no weed fragrance to smell to initiate probable cause there actually may have been even when they don't sic the hounds.  As a smoker you are so acclimatized to the scent of weed that you can't smell it as well as someone who doesn't regularly partake.

Most people tell they're version of events.  If your friend is female, well, cops are typically known for giving females breaks. Not everytime, not saying that, but it is sort of a thing women low key like to brag about (in my experience). Which leads me to believe that your friend was doing something that led to the eventual search where she got charged. Or possibly said something to cause the cops to want to give her a hard time



She had no actual flower weed. Only a vape pen. And they just purchased the car in California during the vacation. I could bet it probably did not smell like weed. But I know what you mean by stoners not being able to smell the weed.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987804 - 10/16/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That's informative and all, thanks for explaining in more detail.  However, I'm confused because I can't tell the nature of the cop stop from your posts.  Are you insinuating she was initially pulled over because of an out of state tag? Cops definitely target out of state tags everywhere, if two cars are speeding or trading lanes you can bet the out of state tag is getting that long dick of the law, maybe even harder in the South, but I can't say that for sure.

Also, why is it important they didn't run her plates or complete a "background check" in this situation?  If they had, that would have "cleared" her? I seriously doubt that.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26987808 - 10/16/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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She did say that the cops lied and said they smelled weed but it did not smell at all in the car. They never smoked in that car.




cops do this shit all the time. happened to me a few time. one time in particular i was passing through nebraska. no weed in the car and no smoking in the car for weeks. cops tore apart my car looking for a crumb, a speck, a roach of weed.. didn't find a thing..

ive since learned my lesson but as soon as the cop said he smelled weed i became very irate and vocal about how that is a lie. that got me handcuffed and put into the back of the cop car.

fuck police.

stay out of nebraska ladies and gents.

to be fair, my brother was speeding and thats why they pulled us, but i think our long hair and peace-sign stickers got them hyped think8ng they are about to make a big weed bust.





Kinda sounds like you got so pissed you asked the people who arrest people to go ahead and arrest you anyway.

I mean that sucks, you shouldn't have had to experience that because fuck the war on drugs, but, if you get very irate and vocal with cops, in a cop stop situation especially, you're gonna have a bad time.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987820 - 10/16/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Driving through any state with out of state tags will draw extra attention, especially a red state. There was a stretch of interstate in Tennessee where it was widely known that state troopers were pulling people over and searching their cars, and if they found significant amounts of cash, they confiscated it and it was a complete pain in the ass getting it back. That practice eventually got investigated and shut down but it went on for years.They made millions that way.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987836 - 10/16/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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That's informative and all, thanks for explaining in more detail.  However, I'm confused because I can't tell the nature of the cop stop from your posts.  Are you insinuating she was initially pulled over because of an out of state tag? Cops definitely target out of state tags everywhere, if two cars are speeding or trading lanes you can bet the out of state tag is getting that long dick of the law, maybe even harder in the South, but I can't say that for sure.

Also, why is it important they didn't run her plates or complete a "background check" in this situation?  If they had, that would have "cleared" her? I seriously doubt that.



Sorry about that. My story is sort of all over the place because I was smoking a joint while typing it. I'm a little adhd. I was trying to get all the details but I ended up missing a few key details. Let me look at the actual text messages which are on my older phone and read the actual story on text and then get back with you in a moment.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #26987837 - 10/16/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Basically this is the list of safe states for me :lol::

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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987843 - 10/16/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

All good, I'm definitely fucked up at this time.  And also, I'm not against your statement saying to drive around Alabama. If you got drugs on you then go around if you can afford it.  However since I have lived in most states of the southeastern US, there are counties in all of these states that will fuck you hard for drug possession and you can get pulled over for profiling.

I look like a stereotypical drug user with long hair and an aversion to authority. I ride dirty sometimes because, ya know, gotta re-up. But I really dont get a lot of problems in any southeastern state.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987861 - 10/16/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Imgur is a difficult piece of shit to post pictures to. It took me forever because I had to resize the pictures and white out names.

The whole conversation.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987883 - 10/16/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, I read in the first message posted in the link and she admits they had a tag light out which is a legit reason to be pulled over. I read the entirety of the link too( though some messages from her are images that dont include the entire message for some reason. It sounds like your friend got fucked but I don't necessarily see where the law officers involved broke the law or overstepped legal boundaries as far as the arrest goes.

If I missed where your friend was wronged (excluding drug war bullshit) I apologize.

The last message does indicate either a miscommunication or lack of communication because the plates registered to a Cavalier that wasn't a Cavalier when it got pulled over should have registered to some ding dong at the precinct. That is both interesting and possibly not because sometimes low life employees like cops say fuck doing my job correctly. Or maybe they said fuck her she got different colored hair, she ain't from around here. Idk, man, there may be injustice here.  At the same time I just havent dealt with this when I could have been dealt worse, in Alabama.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987885 - 10/16/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, I read in the first message posted in the link and she admits they had a tag light out which is a legit reason to be pulled over. I read the entirety of the link too( though some messages from her are images that dont include the entire message for some reason. It sounds like your friend got fucked but I don't necessarily see where the law officers involved broke the law or overstepped legal boundaries as far as the arrest goes.

If I missed where your friend was wronged (excluding drug war bullshit) I apologize.

The last message does indicate either a miscommunication or lack of communication because the plates registered to a Cavalier that wasn't a Cavalier when it got pulled over should have registered to some ding dong at the precinct. That is both interesting and possibly not because sometimes low life employees like cops say fuck doing my job correctly. Or maybe they said fuck her she got different colored hair, she ain't from around here. Idk, man, there may be injustice here.  At the same time I just havent dealt with this when I could have been dealt worse, in Alabama.



Look at the link again. I had to rearrange images. It's on the right order now. The blue texts should continue in the next image for the one that's cut off.

The grey text is me. I didn't include all of my texts, just hers in blue.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987890 - 10/16/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I get that, I can tell from your grey texts you were attempting to be helpful.

I read all of her texts. I just don't see what is supposed to be indicative of a miscarriage of justice (excluding the fact I detest the war on drugs so she should face no possession charges).

She said her tail light was out, boom, pulled over. What happens at this point is so hard because she could be honest about her version of events, but she also could not be honest. Trust me I know people get fucked. For all I know she lost her shit and started talking to an officer in a way that doesn't help you stay living free though.

I think it behooves drug users to try to get better at talking to law officers. That doesn't excuse bad law officers at all, and I hope I don't sound like an apologist for police


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26987897 - 10/16/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

To be honest her husband who was the passenger in the front seat sort of looks like a drug user. He cleans up well and is a good guy but he has that dirty beard look. I don't know, but they got fucked.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26987937 - 10/16/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Alabama, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Missouri all consider their interstates to be hunting grounds for revenue generation. Vehicles coming from legal states are profiled and pulled over and they always smell weed when you roll down the window. Nevada was also notorious for nailing people coming from California. Knew someone got nailed with a kilo of brick weed in Nevada on the way back from socal in the 90s. Similar story of traffic going 80 in a 70 and they get pulled over for speeding while nevada plates kept whizzing by.

You say that the car was newly purchased in California, did they have temp plates or something? That could raise suspicion that the car was purchased to be used making a drug run.

If I had to drive through one of those states I think I would put trump, nra, dare and back the blue stickers on my car and get a fresh hair cut and a shave.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26988176 - 10/16/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Aw man... there's a reason why I replace all my lights and deep clean my vehicle before I make a long distance trip.  I don't hate the police or anything, but I view them as yellow jackets. There is just no good that's going to come of things when they want to interact with you so I do everything I can to keep that from happening/give them nothing to go off of.

This is one of the reasons why it's a good idea to have an audio recorder in the car for when you're pulled over.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Rob864guy]
    #26988651 - 10/16/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

orrrrr. dont drive with drugs in the car unless your vehicle is 100% legal. dont go over 4 miles an hour over the speed limit. Ive had cops drive behind me for miles with enough shit in the car to fuck my life up. No incidence. Then if they do pull you voer dont have smoked any weed if your car doesnt smell like marijuana they cant search your car.. They can try to give you a ticket if they made a bullshit reason to pull you over but thats about it.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: No Face]
    #26988975 - 10/16/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I drive like a maniac all the time, I've never been pulled over, had the cops after me.
They actually will tail gate me to speed up when I'm near the precinct I've done like 60 mph in a 15 with a cop in his civilian car driving behind me.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Yokal] * 2
    #26988999 - 10/16/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Never consent to a search. Even if they smell weed they need to obtain a warrant to search. There is no reason not do this if they ask to search. Number one, it is a pain in the ass for them. They have to get a judge to issue the warrant, which may not be easy. Number two, if they don’t have probable cause they won’t be able to get that warrant without lying. If they tell you “we’d just like to have a look around” it will be very difficult for them to then claim there was probable cause. Try to record your encounter in case there is a dispute between what they tell you and tell a judge. Number Three, if you consent to the search, then you’ve lost the ability to contest the legitimacy of the search and whatever evidence they find.

And remember, a bad tail light, speeding or any other driving infraction other than obvious impairment is not probable cause to search your vehicle. There needs to be evidence that there are likely to be drugs in the car: drug paraphernalia in view or smell. Likely smell would need to be backed up with drug sniffing dogs. Keep this in mind: it is not legal for them to detain you any longer than to deal with the offense you’ve been pulled over for. Making you wait a half hour for drug dogs to arrive would constitute an illegal detention and search. And dogs don’t write warrants. If the cops say the dogs smell drugs, they still need to get a judge to issue a warrant if you don’t consent.

Challenge them at every step once it is clear they intend to search the car. Be explicit that you do not consent. If they find drugs, do not answer any questions they have about those drugs. Don’t fall into the trap that if you’re compliant and helpful they will go easy on you. If they wanted to go easy on you they wouldn’t be demanding to search your car.

One last thing: the cops are freely permitted to look through your windows and anything they see related to drugs would give them probable cause


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: koods]
    #26989105 - 10/16/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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    #26989174 - 10/16/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: koods]
    #26989228 - 10/16/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

There is a lawyer out there that has a printable card that tells you exactly what to say to police (even if getting arrested for clear say possession) that dramatically lowers your odds of conviction.  It's a pretty incredible FU to the police. I'll try to find the link.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: koods]
    #26989260 - 10/16/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Never consent to a search. Even if they smell weed they need to obtain a warrant to search. There is no reason not do this if they ask to search. Number one, it is a pain in the ass for them. They have to get a judge to issue the warrant, which may not be easy. Number two, if they don’t have probable cause they won’t be able to get that warrant without lying. If they tell you “we’d just like to have a look around” it will be very difficult for them to then claim there was probable cause. Try to record your encounter in case there is a dispute between what they tell you and tell a judge. Number Three, if you consent to the search, then you’ve lost the ability to contest the legitimacy of the search and whatever evidence they find.

And remember, a bad tail light, speeding or any other driving infraction other than obvious impairment is not probable cause to search your vehicle. There needs to be evidence that there are likely to be drugs in the car: drug paraphernalia in view or smell. Likely smell would need to be backed up with drug sniffing dogs. Keep this in mind: it is not legal for them to detain you any longer than to deal with the offense you’ve been pulled over for. Making you wait a half hour for drug dogs to arrive would constitute an illegal detention and search. And dogs don’t write warrants. If the cops say the dogs smell drugs, they still need to get a judge to issue a warrant if you don’t consent.

Challenge them at every step once it is clear they intend to search the car. Be explicit that you do not consent. If they find drugs, do not answer any questions they have about those drugs. Don’t fall into the trap that if you’re compliant and helpful they will go easy on you. If they wanted to go easy on you they wouldn’t be demanding to search your car.

One last thing: the cops are freely permitted to look through your windows and anything they see related to drugs would give them probable cause



It's pretty difficult to consent to a search if the cop has already helped himself to your trunk and your backseat. The whole thing is corrupt they don't care about the rules.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #26989418 - 10/17/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Well if that happens, without consent and without a warrant, anything they find in a search would be tossed out. They have to either: ask for your consent or obtain a warrant. If they start to search your car be explicit that you do not consent.

Also, if there is evidence of illegal activity on your phone, lock it or turn it off and disable any biometric capability. The police can compel you to open your phone with your fingerprint or face but they cannot compel you to give them your passcode, even with a warrant. iPhones require you to enter your passcode upon restart for this reason. If you turn off your iPhone before you are arrested, the cops will not have any way to access the information on your phone.


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    #26989484 - 10/17/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26989564 - 10/17/20 04:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How do you even get caught with LSD laced candies? Its invisible, you have to try to get caught by doing something retarded like putting them a drug baggie. If you left them in a normal candy box, and not with your stash you wouldn't get caught for that. 

More important than # of hours of drug classes or amount of fine is are you left with a criminal record? In Canada you can usually get diversion and a total discharge after doing drug classes / community service if your lawyer fights for it.
Maybe your lifestyle right now it doesn't matter if you have a record but an insane number of good jobs require a clean record. Ruining your employment prospects for life over small amount of drugs is crazy. Mail them home.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #26989604 - 10/17/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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How do you even get caught with LSD laced candies? Its invisible, you have to try to get caught by doing something retarded like putting them a drug baggie. If you left them in a normal candy box, and not with your stash you wouldn't get caught for that. 

More important than # of hours of drug classes or amount of fine is are you left with a criminal record? In Canada you can usually get diversion and a total discharge after doing drug classes / community service if your lawyer fights for it.
Maybe your lifestyle right now it doesn't matter if you have a record but an insane number of good jobs require a clean record. Ruining your employment prospects for life over small amount of drugs is crazy. Mail them home.



She's getting diversion. Yes. I don't know how she packed her car. She's actually VERY resourceful and already has income from being self employed. She gets clients like no big deal. The money isn't the biggest deal but the whole thing is extremely emotional for her. I panicked for her as soon as I found out. It's still very surreal.

She knows a lot of people, she already has community service lined up.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #26989613 - 10/17/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

my3rdeye the cops know about candy being used as a carrier for drugs. Even if the candy was in a sealed bag it will be tested. Tbey probably thought they were mj edibles till the popped for indole on the field reagent test.

Koods - officer said they smelled weed = probable cause. Officer's testimony is more believed than yours in court. Even if all the evidence gets tossed you would still be out $10k in lawyer bills probably more if actual trial. I believe OP said the person went with a public defender so they obviously didnt have the $$$ for a protracted battle.

The highway patrols of these states are experts on intercepting people crossing through with drugs. The majority of the SCOTUS search and seizure cases have come from these states over the 40 years since Nancy declared the war on drugs. The civil forfieture laws inrich the departments with more toys and full coffers so they prosecutors can out lawyer.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26989619 - 10/17/20 06:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

P.s. for anyone that followed the link posted by Ice9, those are good resource but you should check your state and local laws. Specifically the part about refusing a breathalyzer; yes you should always refuse a breathalyzer because it takes away a strongly damning piece of evidence, but expect that you will have your license suspended for 6 months or longer. Driving is a privilidge, not a right. You could be stone cold sober, have a cop request a breathalyzer, refuse it, never have suspicion of DUI/OUI charged filed and you would still have your license suspended. Again you have the constitutional pritection against self incrimination, you do not have a constitutional right to drive a vehicle. Guns are a different story thanks to the 2nd amendment.

P.p.s. koods the 2015 SCOTUS decision does not prevent them detaining you for a drug dog if the officer says they have probable cause because they smell weed or see something suspicous in plain site.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26989655 - 10/17/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Koods - officer said they smelled weed = probable cause



If she had demanded he get a warrant to search, they might not have wanted to go through the process. Unless you have a weapon visible, you can alway demand a warrant. Warrantless drug searches of automobiles are not permitted, unless they can see the probable cause, in which case they can seize it, but further searches still require a warrant or consent.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: koods]
    #26989687 - 10/17/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Koods - officer said they smelled weed = probable cause



If she had demanded he get a warrant to search, they might not have wanted to go through the process. Unless you have a weapon visible, you can alway demand a warrant. Warrantless drug searches of automobiles are not permitted, unless they can see the probable cause, in which case they can seize it, but further searches still require a warrant or consent.



This is bad information, maybe in a legal or medical legal state with a valid med card holder in the vehicle, but Alabama has neither. I dont believe any cases have established precedent on CBD hemp as a excuse for mj smell nor is it material here.

Maybe if she said they had cbd hemp and produced it as a reason for the smell probable cause would be gone.
https://norml.org/laws/alabama-penalties/

Don't just take my words or koods, read it from the lawyers;


https://www.duiblog.com/2020/03/02/marijuana-smell-and-the-4th-amendment/
https://johnsonlegalofohio.com/can-the-police-search-my-house-for-marijuana/

Is it a wrong, unjust practice open to racial and other bias? Of fucking course it is.

https://thecrimereport.org/2020/05/05/if-police-smell-marijuana-can-they-search-my-stuff/


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: koods]
    #26989698 - 10/17/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Warrantless drug searches of automobiles are not permitted





Technically, you're right...but it still happens, and they can get away with it.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26989842 - 10/17/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
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The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.





Hopefully this settles the point


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26990037 - 10/17/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't even sure about it to be honest.  *Technically you may be right* is what I should've said...


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26990085 - 10/17/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You cut off part of the sentence you quoted. The whole thing was "Warrantless drug searches of automobiles are not permitted, unless they can see the probable cause, in which case they can seize it, but further searches still require a warrant or consent."


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    #26990091 - 10/17/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'm aware of that.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26990095 - 10/17/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It completely changed the meaning though. The part you cut off lists exceptions to the part you did include.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: psi]
    #26990108 - 10/17/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

We all saw his post...we all knew the rest of the sentence. 

I suppose I diverted a little bit, but I was trying to point out that regardless of whether or not a cop has probable cause...you can still get searched.  That's why I quoted that portion of his post.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26990137 - 10/17/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The whole quote doesn't actually seem to be in conflict with the article from what I can see though, i.e. it was only rendered incorrect by truncation.

Rules aside though yeah there are ways they can get away with breaking them. What if they say you consented and you say you didn't? Or the sniffer dogs that give a positive response when that's what their masters want.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: psi]
    #26990164 - 10/17/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I got pulled over in Colorado in 2013. Was not a smoker at the time, pretty much stopped smoking regularly back in 2011. This was before recreational cannabis was legal in Colorado. I was pulled over for speeding. Cop said she smelled marijuana in the vehicle. I was pretty much like that was BS, but she was adamant. Dog team comes rolling in 30 minutes later and sure enough the dog gives a positive like it's nothing. They spend about an hour searching my vehicle because I was in the process of moving to a new apartment at the time and had stuffed my vehicle with stuff.

She was very disappointed not to find marijuana in the vehicle, and gave me a ticket for speeding 4-9 miles over the speed limit. Pretty much left me to put all my shit back in the car.

Whole process was ridiculous. It was pretty obvious they were profiling me as a stoner even though I wasn't even a cannabis user at the time. The fact she still wrote the ticket for something anyone would have gotten off with in a regular circumstance was just salt in the wound.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: psi]
    #26990168 - 10/17/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what article you're talking about.  I was merely commenting on one part of someone's post. 

I suppose I should've explained myself, or not have posted at all.  I'm a little too stony for this...


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26990437 - 10/17/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you ever have a cop illegally search your car dont worry. Get a lawyer. All that shit will get thrown out. Ive had a friend get caught with over 100lbs of marijuana in an illegal raid and they literally couldnt try him in court for it.


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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: 1234go]
    #26990445 - 10/17/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Psi, 1234go, I was replying to koods' assertion that you could demand a warrant when pulled over and an officer exerts probable cause, which is false as far as I can tell.

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    #26990541 - 10/17/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If you ever have a cop illegally search your car dont worry. Get a lawyer. All that shit will get thrown out. Ive had a friend get caught with over 100lbs of marijuana in an illegal raid and they literally couldnt try him in court for it.




laws differ city to city and state to state. your friend was damn lucky. one cop's assertion that the odor of marijuana is present will be sufficient probable cause to legally search your car, without a judges warrant, in many parts of the USA.


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If you ever have a cop illegally search your car dont worry. Get a lawyer. All that shit will get thrown out. Ive had a friend get caught with over 100lbs of marijuana in an illegal raid and they literally couldnt try him in court for it.




laws differ city to city and state to state. your friend was damn lucky. one cop's assertion that the odor of marijuana is present will be sufficient probable cause to legally search your car, without a judges warrant, in many parts of the USA.





IN more and more states every month actually the smell of marijuana isnt a probably cause for a search. id say in about half the states now.


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    #26990577 - 10/17/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i have read about that happening and i applaud it. but, the sad truth is that police will lie and 9/10 times they will get away with it


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I'm a little too stony for this...




Me too apparently.

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    #27011401 - 10/30/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The simple way to avoid all of these problems is to just never, ever drive with drugs in your car, ever. There is never a good reason to have drugs on you or in your car. I know some of you guys carry stuff around 24/7, but I would still argue that there's never any good reason to go around carrying drugs.

If you do have serious drugs in your car, then you should politely say no to a search. Don't argue, don't be rude, be nice and polite, and say no.

But if you do that, you should expect to go to jail. Because what's going to happen is they're going to bring the dogs out, and the dogs are trained to alert no matter what. So whether or not you have drugs in your car, those dogs are going to alert, and that's probable cause. And then they're going to be able to legally search your car (and even tear it apart if they want to), and everything they find is 100% admissible in court. The only reason you say no is because when you show up in court, it's better for you to have said no because saying no costs you nothing once you get to court. Everyone who says no still gets their car searched, and in the vast majority of cases everything they find will be admissible in court. But by saying no, there is some small hope that you can get the evidence thrown out, hope that doesn't exist if you say yes.

Alternatively, you can try to bluff them by saying yes, but that's a very high stakes poker game, and you'll almost certainly lose. But sometimes, rarely, some members on here have gotten away by saying yes. But no lawyer in the country would advise you to say yes, because then there's no possibility of excluding anything they find in court, no matter what. You're just betting that they can't find anything, which is a fool's bet. They're not stupid, they're going to find whatever you have, no matter how well you've hidden it. People lose by saying yes, all the time.

So the only way to really stay safe is to never, ever have drugs in your car ever. It's really not that hard to do.


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    #27011412 - 10/30/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The only time is probably if you are getting drugs from your dealer short distance, and follow all driving laws.


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    #27022256 - 11/04/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well as if i needed another reason to never go to Alabama. Will remember this


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    #27030989 - 11/10/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I can definitely believe your story and I would even take your side and defend you/your friends if it came down to it, because it sounds exactly like the cops that I dealt with when I lived in Alabama, from like age 7 to 25. The cops were never anything but trouble, rude, and threatening.

I was just walking down the road one day and although I was tired, I wasn't stumbling to the extent that he said I was, nor was I drunk. I had not even drank alcohol that day, and I was in the public library for 2 hours prior to being arrested for public intoxication, which is video evidence that I wasn't drunk or drinking.

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Re: Don't drive through Alabama with any amount of drugs. [Re: thirtygoats]
    #27031378 - 11/10/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

More like "ALASCAMA".:smirk:


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