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Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g
#26987596 - 10/15/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been experimenting with shrooms for about 2-3 months now. The most psylocibin I've ever taken at one time was like 2.5 grams. At the beginning, I had anxiety and couldn't sit still. I needed to walk. Shortly after, I had some stomach pains, but they eventually subsided. I didn't really have any expectations and the trip was enjoyable, but not really any visuals or hallucinations.
I do remember it was a clear starry night, and the sky looked incredible. There were a zillion stars in the sky, I could see all the constellations and connections between all the other stars. It felt like I was observing space through a telescope.
When I went inside (I was at a party), I felt annoyed by people's conversations. Everything felt like bullshit and bravado, completely meaningless, and I felt like I could see right through people and be aware of their true intentions. Music was also different. Good music was still good, but some of the more lyrical stuff I normally like when I'm sober sounded awful.
Next time, I want to do 3.5 or 4g. I long for that spiritual/mystical/visual experience everyone talks about, but I'm searching for ways to avoid the negative parts like the anxiety and the stomach pain, and distractions by other people, but I don't want to be alone. Has anyone kind of been where I am and feel some of these things? And what did you do to adjust your experience? I've heard making tea can offset the stomach pain, and alcohol can take away some of the anxiety, but I want the experience to be pure and I kind of feel like alcohol eventually kills the vibe. Any comments or input are greatly appreciated...
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Bmajors80]
#26987860 - 10/16/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I usually dont get any stomach pain when fasting for 6 hours prior to drinking tea.
When it comes to anxiety, uh, I dont know. I get more anxious at the start of the trip, and when my eyes are open, so I just put on my blindfolds when I start to notice the effects and lie down and listen to some nice music.
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Bmajors80]
#26987866 - 10/16/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bmajors80 said: I've been experimenting with shrooms for about 2-3 months now. The most psylocibin I've ever taken at one time was like 2.5 grams. At the beginning, I had anxiety and couldn't sit still. I needed to walk. Shortly after, I had some stomach pains, but they eventually subsided. I didn't really have any expectations and the trip was enjoyable, but not really any visuals or hallucinations.
I find that visuals aren't really a guarantee at dosages below 3.5 grams. Even at higher dosages, visuals aren't always a major factor for me with mushrooms (if they are present at all). I think visuals are influenced by your mindset, setting, and expectations just as much as they are by your dosage.
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Bmajors80 said: When I went inside (I was at a party), I felt annoyed by people's conversations. Everything felt like bullshit and bravado, completely meaningless, and I felt like I could see right through people and be aware of their true intentions. Music was also different. Good music was still good, but some of the more lyrical stuff I normally like when I'm sober sounded awful.
I really don't like social settings when I'm tripping (maybe concerts are okay, but even these days I prefer to just be a sober shepherd for my friends at shows). Conversation is difficult, and I find it especially difficult to communicate with people who have been drinking alcohol when I'm tripping.
As for music, I prefer to listen to stuff I'm really familiar with while tripping. Music becomes a much more emotional experience with mushrooms, and listening to something you don't know that well can produce some unexpected effects.
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Bmajors80 said: Next time, I want to do 3.5 or 4g. I long for that spiritual/mystical/visual experience everyone talks about, but I'm searching for ways to avoid the negative parts like the anxiety and the stomach pain, and distractions by other people, but I don't want to be alone. Has anyone kind of been where I am and feel some of these things? And what did you do to adjust your experience? I've heard making tea can offset the stomach pain, and alcohol can take away some of the anxiety, but I want the experience to be pure and I kind of feel like alcohol eventually kills the vibe. Any comments or input are greatly appreciated...
It sounds like your biggest issue was probably setting rather than dosage. I definitely recommend avoiding parties. My favorite place to eat mushrooms is alone in my room, with the option of taking a walk outside if I feel like it. Tripping alone can be scary, but with some preparation, it can be a safe and extremely rewarding experience. I find that tripping alone gives me the highest probability of having a spiritual experience. To prepare, I always clean my home thoroughly, I meditate regularly for several days prior, exercise frequently, write in a journal, and eat nutritious foods. All of this helps prepare my mindset and my setting for a safe experience.
If you're still concerned about being alone, but don't want to be interrupted by other people, there's a great middle ground: having a trip sitter on-call. Before tripping, talk to a friend you trust and ask if they will keep their phone with them while you're tripping in case you need someone to talk to. If things become unmanageable for you while tripping, you can always call your friend. I do this if I'm nervous about an upcoming trip, and I've never had to call a friend yet. Just knowing that they're there if I need them is usually enough to calm me down 
As for the anxiety, I think this is par for the course. I always feel anxious about taking mushrooms because they can be so surprising sometimes. For me, the hardest part about tripping is actually ingesting the mushrooms. Once you've eaten them, there's no turning back, so you might as well sit back and enjoy the ride. I strongly advise against mixing mushrooms and alcohol. I've never tried it (I don't drink alcohol, though), but I've read many trip reports, and it sounds like it's generally a bad idea.
Indeed, tea can reduce the nausea felt from mushrooms (as can lemon tekking - research that on your own if you're curious), but there are some drawbacks, unfortunately. A mushroom trip from tea will not last as long as the trip from eating them whole, and the onset will be a lot faster. Some people find the come-up from tea to be a much more intense experience than the come-up from eating them whole.
As for dosage, I think you would probably be okay taking 3.5 or 4 grams, if you want to. Just note that 3.5 grams can be significantly different from 2.5 grams. I find that 2.5 grams is usually a very comfortable, pleasant experience while 3.5 grams can be a lot more to handle. Since you've already experienced 2.5 grams in a non-ideal setting and still came out of it psychologically intact, I think you'll probably be just fine with 3.5 or 4.
Good luck with your trips. Stay safe and plan ahead!
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Oh one thing that I usually do which probably is kinda weird is that I write notes to myself. Like "Trust yourself, if you go out put on a jacket, the temperature inside is fine dont worry about it".
And I usually write down the time of ingestion.
Obviously dont write that the temprature is fine if it isnt, but these kind of notes helps me a lot if I get a bit confused :P
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Bmajors80] 1
#26988284 - 10/16/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bmajors80 said: Next time, I want to do 3.5 or 4g. I long for that spiritual/mystical/visual experience everyone talks about, but I'm searching for ways to avoid the negative parts like the anxiety and the stomach pain, and distractions by other people, but I don't want to be alone. Has anyone kind of been where I am and feel some of these things? And what did you do to adjust your experience? I've heard making tea can offset the stomach pain, and alcohol can take away some of the anxiety, but I want the experience to be pure and I kind of feel like alcohol eventually kills the vibe. Any comments or input are greatly appreciated...
How did you consume them?
Mushrooms contain chitin, an insoluble fiber, which can be a hassle to digest. Every-time I consume more than 2g of mushroom material (dry), I get bloating and gas at some point during the trip. My first few 2-3g experiences came with some incredible stomach pain (due to the bloat/gas).
So to solve that problem, I suggest making a tea and straining the mushrooms out.
Avoid anxiety?
I think it is more important to learn how to deal with the anxiety rather than to avoid it. The fact is, especially with certain ingestion methods like lemon tek, anxiety will inevitably happen. Especially if you have a fast come-up, and you aren't expecting it, you might get pretty scared.
On my last trip which was 1.5g APE (felt stronger than 3.5g of non-APE variety), the come up hit me so hard and so fast that it came with an unbelievable manifestation of fear. I wasn't expecting that dose to be so strong and hit me so hard and fast that I had some of the strongest anxiety I've ever experienced. When I tried to avoid it, it just got worse. So I surrendered to it, used my mantra to calm myself, and it subsided.
You will not avoid these feelings on such strong substances. They probably won't arise during every experience, but if you work with mushrooms long enough, you will have a wide range of anxious experiences of all types ("come-up" anxiety seemingly the most common one).
But I find that lower dose anxiety, although less intense, lingers longer. While higher dose anxiety can feel overwhelming, but the experience is so intense that it passes as you dissolve into reality.
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26988295 - 10/16/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Socrateshroom said: I think it is more important to learn how to deal with the anxiety rather than to avoid it.

This is very sound advice, OP.
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26988334 - 10/16/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dried and crushed into a peanut butter sandwich. I appreciate the advice and input from everyone. I’m definitely experimenting with ways to ingest them because chewing on them is awful. I did a low dose with my own version of lemon tek the other night and it wasn’t bad, but it was basically a microdose. I’d like to try tea next but it’s difficult to just boil up some shrooms in my house with my kids around, so we’ll see. As for the anxiety, it was mostly manageable, but I think the crowd was the worst part. I was so annoyed by people, so next time I’m going to isolate and have my fiancé on standby. All in all this drug has been a life changing experience. Even tho I don’t have much trauma, or even a big ego to work through, the psychological affects have been so beneficial. Little memories come back to me, my thoughts flow so well even though they come at 100mph, and I have such positive reinforcement with myself that I’ve almost discovered a different side of me. Again, thank you to everyone, this site has been so much help with this and the cultivation side, I’m so glad I stumbled upon it.
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Re: Anxiety, stomach pain, expectations on 2.5g [Re: Bmajors80]
#26988583 - 10/16/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bmajors80 said: Dried and crushed into a peanut butter sandwich. I appreciate the advice and input from everyone. I’m definitely experimenting with ways to ingest them because chewing on them is awful. I did a low dose with my own version of lemon tek the other night and it wasn’t bad, but it was basically a microdose.
Keep in mind that you can develop a tolerance to mushrooms as well. I'd say that you need to wait at least two weeks between trips in order to reset back to baseline.
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Bmajors80 said: I’d like to try tea next but it’s difficult to just boil up some shrooms in my house with my kids around, so we’ll see.
You don't have to boil the mushrooms themselves to make tea. You can pour some boiling water in a mug and steep the mushrooms using a teabag or tea strainer for about fifteen minutes. That's how I make tea, and it works just fine for me.
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Bmajors80 said: As for the anxiety, it was mostly manageable, but I think the crowd was the worst part. I was so annoyed by people, so next time I’m going to isolate and have my fiancé on standby.
Good plan! I prefer tripping alone, and it's always nice to have someone you trust on call in case you need help.
Good luck with your psychonautical journeys
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