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Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build * 1
    #26987215 - 10/15/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



$40 barrel off Craigslist, 1500w element, float valve, outtake, high temp rose run, pressure regulator, and some silicon and naphtha for lining the barrel to prevent rust.

Based on this build. thanks gr0wer and thanks stromrider for the spoon-feeding.

Update to include silicon lining, wiring and test run.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #26987460 - 10/15/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You might want to buy a swamp cooler pump. That drain takes forever. Also, you are looking at over 6 hours of heat up time with a 1500 watt element. It took 6 hours for me when I had a 1650 element. Now I use 5500 watts and it takes 45 mins.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26987465 - 10/15/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

That is not 100% silicone so I would not use that.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26987492 - 10/15/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Shroomsisay01 :bow: thanks for your suggestions.

On the element, I'm only gonna run it every five or six days and I don't really care if it does take six hours.

I also already had a 20amp box added so no 30 amp.

When I remake in the future these are things I will consider.

I can't believe I got the wrong silicon. :\ shit.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #26987781 - 10/15/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Will you have rocker on top or just venting hole? How big?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Bsdgaou]
    #26988482 - 10/16/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No sense in having a rocker. He is not building pressure in the drum. I am sure he has a 3/8 hole or a couple 1/4" holes.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988514 - 10/16/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

One last question and I will leave you alone. Did you use a hot pod for your element? and if not how are you grounding the element? If the element is not grounded it could kill you if there is a problem with the element. 120v can be more dangerous than 220v because your hands will lock around the electricity and you can not be able to let go of the voltage. 220v will knock you away although I would suggest grounding the drum on both!!


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988539 - 10/16/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

It's incorrect that 220 will knock you away. Even 480v (277 to ground) will not knock you loose. Most shock injuries are from a live wire to ground, so with 220, you have the same 115 to ground as you would with a 115v outlet.

All metal parts of ANY powered device should be well grounded to the electrical panel and also to a ground rod if it's at a remote location. (such as a drum sterilizer outdoors)  This insures that if the element blows or a wire comes loose, it hits the grounded frame and immediately trips the breaker or blows the fuse.
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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #26988636 - 10/16/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so are you telling me all my teachers were wrong? Don't get me wrong I have never tested it out either way. But I do trust the teachers that said 120 has a better chance of making your fingers wrap around to where you can not let go...

https://www.ecmweb.com/maintenance-repair-operations/article/20898683/dont-discount-the-danger-of-120v

I have seen my father and my friend get knocked back at least 5 feet by 220v and a relative of mine was killed by 120v working on a car when the trouble light short-circuited. That light was more trouble for him than he anticipated. It brings a whole new meaning to trouble light!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=will+220+knock+you+away&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS914US914&oq=will+220+knock+you+a&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i160l2.13968j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I guess I used the wrong words but the effect is the same. If you become the ground and your fingers wrap around you have a better chance of getting free from 220v


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988695 - 10/16/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not wanting to enter the argument. Would suggesting ground fault interrupted  curcuit be the best option?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Quadman]
    #26988784 - 10/16/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the words of advice. Thank God I have an electrician friend who will walk me through everything.

I will do as shroomsisay said and drill one or two small holes on the lid for the exhaust.

Feel free to bother away, you've already saved me once.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #26988818 - 10/16/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes just make sure you have a ground I just want you to be safe. A hot pod is the best way I have found...

Hot Pod with lock nut and gasket...

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/hotpod-ewl3.htm


Hot Pod NO lock nut and gasket...

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/hotpod-ewl.htm

As Quadman said you could also use a GFCI but if you change to a higher wattage element you will be stuck because 220v GFCI's are expensive. Better to just have the ground.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988858 - 10/16/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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a relative of mine was killed by 120v working on a car when the trouble light short-circuited. That light was more trouble for him than he anticipated. It brings a whole new meaning to trouble light!!





Just curious, how did he run across 120v working on a car?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988861 - 10/16/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Not expensive compared to electrocution. :shrug: couldn't you put a 120v GFI on both legs?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Forrester]
    #26988882 - 10/16/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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a relative of mine was killed by 120v working on a car when the trouble light short-circuited. That light was more trouble for him than he anticipated. It brings a whole new meaning to trouble light!!





Just curious, how did he run across 120v working on a car?




He was using a trouble light...




It happened like 40 years ago.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26988885 - 10/16/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My bad, didn't know what a trouble light was!  Just confused by 120v on a car.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Quadman]
    #26988887 - 10/16/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Not expensive compared to electrocution. :shrug: couldn't you put a 120v GFI on both legs?




220v doesn't work like that it runs in and out of phase so that won't work. Plus my 5500-watt element uses 23 amps so it would just burn up the GFCI.


Edited by SHROOMSISAY01 (10/16/20 05:22 PM)


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Forrester]
    #26988892 - 10/16/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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My bad, didn't know what a trouble light was!  Just confused by 120v on a car.




Yeah, I figured that's why I put the pic up.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26990770 - 10/17/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

My drum is rusting. Is there any silicone in spray or something? Don't want to buy drums every 3 months, even if they're 10€.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Bsdgaou]
    #26990860 - 10/18/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Gaco 100% silicone roof coating is what I am going to use when my drum finally starts leakin. I have had my drum for over 3 years so it has lasted a long time. Otherwise you will just have to buy 100% silicone caulking and mix it with VM&P naphtha to thin it out so you can paint it on.

Once your drum is rusting if you use silicone on it it will continue to rust under the silicone so I would start with a new drum. If you don't mind expensive you can try Henry® 480 Stop Leak® 100% silicone. But it is like $22 for a 14 oz can...

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Henry-14-1-oz-Stop-Leak-Tropicool-Silicone-White-Spray-Sealer-HE880W025/303669684


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26990981 - 10/18/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

plastic 55 gallon drums.. don't rust. And they work awesome for a steamer. :thumbup:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991172 - 10/18/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I bet very few people have ever got a 220/240v shock in America. As RR said you'd have to touch BOTH hot lines. In europe it's another story. They're one conductor is 240v above ground. American 240 is considered safer by some compared to european 240 for that reason.

Teachers just know what they know. Its an old wives tale sort of thing.
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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991184 - 10/18/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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plastic 55 gallon drums.. don't rust. And they work awesome for a steamer. :thumbup:



They don't get soft and warp? I have a bunch of the blue food grade ones for rain barrels but HDPE gets soft and pliable above something like 160


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26991265 - 10/18/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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plastic 55 gallon drums.. don't rust. And they work awesome for a steamer. :thumbup:



They don't get soft and warp? I have a bunch of the blue food grade ones for rain barrels but HDPE gets soft and pliable above something like 160




I mistakenly thought that for years which is why I never tried it for the longest time. HDPE plastic barrels handle a sustained temperature of 230F. Which is well above Steamer temperature roughly 200 F or even 212F if you just go for a full boil and let it go. As the max temperature you will get is whatever temperature your water is and if you are boiling the water it is the Boiling Point of water temperature unless you put the barrel under pressure. So unless you put the barrel under pressure you are safe from melting the barrel. Need to make sure its properly grounded such as a stainless Steel rod touching the water or something like that on a GCFI. A White HDPE barrel is Awesome Sauce because you always know what your water level is. Love it.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26991285 - 10/18/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks OP for making this post, I love when I see this type of information being talked about.  I have no idea whatsoever about grounding and wiring.

RoggerRabbit said to make sure to ground all big machines.

That's something I've been thinking about, my SafeAire Biological Safety Cabinet is 110v I believe (it plugs in your regular home outlet)

The thing is I'm using an extension cord to be able to turn it on, sometimes I get this faint feeling like I'm being electrocuted like there's a leak and it's going into the metal I'm working on.

I need to go and buy a heavy duty extension cord that I know is working properly.

And then I should research how to ground a machine properly.  I'm going to be putting it on a metal stand and I don't want to get shocked.



Sorry for hijacking your post, I'm super stoked and will be making my drum sterilizer sooner then later I'm sure. 

I don't know who's write-up I'm going to follow but I will make sure to post it on here so that others get to see the info, as well as anyone who drops knowledge.

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: King0fthajuice]
    #26991328 - 10/18/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The thing is I'm using an extension cord to be able to turn it on, sometimes I get this faint feeling like I'm being electrocuted like there's a leak and it's going into the metal I'm working on.

I need to go and buy a heavy duty extension cord that I know is working properly.

And then I should research how to ground a machine properly.  I'm going to be putting it on a metal stand and I don't want to get shocked.





You can always buy a GFCI extension cord for extra safety if your extension cord doesn't have one.  Although it isn't to be used in place of properly grounding a machine.  Or is it?  I dunno that much about electricity, SHROOMS or someone will correct me :lol:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991354 - 10/18/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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plastic 55 gallon drums.. don't rust. And they work awesome for a steamer. :thumbup:



They don't get soft and warp? I have a bunch of the blue food grade ones for rain barrels but HDPE gets soft and pliable above something like 160




I mistakenly thought that for years which is why I never tried it for the longest time. HDPE plastic barrels handle a sustained temperature of 230F. Which is well above Steamer temperature roughly 200 F or even 212F if you just go for a full boil and let it go. As the max temperature you will get is whatever temperature your water is and if you are boiling the water it is the Boiling Point of water temperature unless you put the barrel under pressure. So unless you put the barrel under pressure you are safe from melting the barrel. Need to make sure its properly grounded such as a stainless Steel rod touching the water or something like that on a GCFI. A White HDPE barrel is Awesome Sauce because you always know what your water level is. Love it.



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26991477 - 10/18/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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plastic 55 gallon drums.. don't rust. And they work awesome for a steamer. :thumbup:



They don't get soft and warp? I have a bunch of the blue food grade ones for rain barrels but HDPE gets soft and pliable above something like 160




I mistakenly thought that for years which is why I never tried it for the longest time. HDPE plastic barrels handle a sustained temperature of 230F. Which is well above Steamer temperature roughly 200 F or even 212F if you just go for a full boil and let it go. As the max temperature you will get is whatever temperature your water is and if you are boiling the water it is the Boiling Point of water temperature unless you put the barrel under pressure. So unless you put the barrel under pressure you are safe from melting the barrel. Need to make sure its properly grounded such as a stainless Steel rod touching the water or something like that on a GCFI. A White HDPE barrel is Awesome Sauce because you always know what your water level is. Love it.



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.




Yea its kinda ironic that RR made an appearance on this thread and I mentioned the plastic barrel as he is the one that taught me all about it years back when I first made the HDPE barrel as a pasteurizer. He was the one that taught me all about needing to ground it and needing to ground it with a metal rod through the water( at the very least touching the water, but that a rod through the entire length of water would be safest). See the metal barrels normally provide the grounding, or should if hooked up correctly.

But here is the thing, people are talking about putting coatings and such on the metal to prevent rust, but they are not grounding the water that way if electricity is touching the water inside. So the ones using metal barrels really would need a grounding rod to the water too at that point if you follow, which I haven't seen people talking about or doing.

Oh and a Stainless steel rod is cheapo from home depot and stainless steel is one of the best grounding metals out there.. :thumbup:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991617 - 10/18/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The element is connected to the outside of the drum so the element is the ground when you use a hot pod.


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    #26991653 - 10/18/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Correct, but unless all my previous conversations on this were wrong and/or I am completely remembering this wrong, that doesn't connect to inside. Water heaters are normally closed systems so nobody would be going to touch the water inside only water that leaked outside.

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991663 - 10/18/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

the hot pod has a metal body that you connect the ground wire to this makes the outside of the element grounded. So if a wire shorts on the inside of the element it will touch the ground. The outside of the element is ground.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26991704 - 10/18/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



This could easily be hooked up wrong. So good job pointing this out


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26991964 - 10/18/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



Watch around 6:00-7:00. He explains grounding of elements and how they are not grounded. They get appliance grounded. Not the element. So it is not grounded to the inside like I was saying in my posts above. Which makes sense because the plate holding it would short circuit the element part since it is touching both sides. And then if you take a look at 7:40-8:10. He explains this further.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26991999 - 10/18/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So like I was saying all these metal drums really do need a grounding rod or SS bolt or something connected to the inside water that is grounded.



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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26992017 - 10/18/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for posting the HDPE info Seagu, that was my first thought when I thought about building a barrel steamer but I listened to and believed those saying it will warp.

Cool thread, I wanted to ask how a commercial style steam oven would work? There’s a natural gas 120V 1 phase unit going near me for super cheap.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26992034 - 10/18/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have talked to George personally on the phone and I have linked his videos many times on here. What you fail to realize is at around 14:15-14:30 of the video he states the ground is for safety. If you do not have a ground and there is a problem and you touch the drum guess what happens? YOU BECOME THE GROUND AND ELECTRICITY FLOWS THROUGH YOU TO GROUND!! That is how people get killed. Be safe use a hot pod and connect a ground. No, you do not have to have a ground for it to run and heat up. But to be safe you need a ground. Or you may kill yourself or someone you love.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26992040 - 10/18/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The ground runs through the hot pod to the element and everything is grounded. I agree it needs to be grounded. Before someone came up with the hot pod there was no easy way to ground it but with the hot pod, your element which is in the water is your ground. It actually grounds the drum the element and the water all at the same time...



Look at the pic and you will see how everything is grounded.

This is the hot pod I am talking about...



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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26992050 - 10/18/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Even a plastic drum Needs a ground, not just metal drums. If you have a short the water will get electrified and if you touch the water you have a problem.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26992282 - 10/19/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I realize you don't have to have the ground. But what I am pointing out is that that water inside the tank isn't necessarily grounded just because the outside is grounded when putting all these complete coatings or a plastic barrel. So if there is a break of electricity inside the tank and you touch it pulling bags out or whatever. That won't be grounded and POOF .. Homer City.

Now if you think that is safe then by all means, like he said its all preference. As for me, I am going to urge on the side of caution.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26992587 - 10/19/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So let me ask you a question what happens when a heating element shorts out?

I will explain this better to help you understand. Your heating element has a wire running through the center of the tube. The wire is insulated from touching the outside tube, usually by magnesium oxide or ceramic. The wire running through the center that is hooked up to the power has a resistance. This resistance is what causes the wire to heat up. If somehow the wire inside touches the outside tube the outside becomes electrified. The hot pod causes the entire outside of the element to be ground. So if the wire touches the outside tubing the breaker is tripped and you will not get power anymore...



In the pic, everything green has direct metal to metal contact. So obviously the outside of the drum is also grounded. Because the outside of the drum is not covered in silicone and has direct metal to metal contact with the element.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26992813 - 10/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Except he says differently that that inner part is not grounded. So there is that.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26993007 - 10/19/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The inner part is not grounded. You hook a ground wire to the hot pod and because of that ground wire and the whole outer part of the hot pod and the element is metal it all becomes ground. That ground wire touches the element the drum and the hot pod so it all has a ground. In the pic the inner wire (Red Wire) goes to hot so I don't know where you get it is grounded.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26993287 - 10/19/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So let me ask you a question what happens when a heating element shorts out?

I will explain this better to help you understand. Your heating element has a wire running through the center of the tube. The wire is insulated from touching the outside tube, usually by magnesium oxide or ceramic. The wire running through the center that is hooked up to the power has a resistance. This resistance is what causes the wire to heat up. If somehow the wire inside touches the outside tube the outside becomes electrified. The hot pod causes the entire outside of the element to be ground. So if the wire touches the outside tubing the breaker is tripped and you will not get power anymore...



In the pic, everything green has direct metal to metal contact. So obviously the outside of the drum is also grounded. Because the outside of the drum is not covered in silicone and has direct metal to metal contact with the element.



This is absolutely correct. Look up brewing equipment. There's UL listed hot liquor tanks and mash heat exchangers with no separate ground. Its through the elements if they break they ground out and you should be plugged into gfci which will detect and blow before a circuit breaker. Gfci always working with wet shit that may not blow a breaker when it faults.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26993420 - 10/19/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am referring to inner part as in the element part that is on the inside of the drum sticking in the water. He even picks it up and points to all that and the base on the inside and flips it around and says that part of the element isn't grounded. And then he explains that the appliance is what gets grounded, not the element. Which would also be connected to the same metal places you are talking about so it sure would lend to it being grounded if it was grounded, yet he says that part isn't grounded..  :shrug:

I dunno I was looking all around the web for this info and his video was the first and best I got so far. And others who pulled apart the element showed rubber separators between the inner and outer parts so...  :shrug:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26993466 - 10/19/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly and if that separator ever fails it grounds to the outside grounded tube


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26993488 - 10/19/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwork-UL-Listed-Immersion-Thermostat-Submersible/dp/B07DGDFLTW/

Where's the ground connected to? Look at shroomsisay01's picture.


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    #26993551 - 10/19/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

well that would make it simpler than everyone else had explained it. But why can't I find any info on it elsewhere that explains it? stupid google..


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    #26993775 - 10/19/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: King0fthajuice]
    #27090261 - 12/15/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Forever and a day later ...



Element was afixed through an electrical box, wired, grounded. Plan on covering that box.

Replaced the original timer with an outdoor timer pictured.

Coated the inside with silicon to prevent rust as shroomsinsay recommended.

used gasket sealer around the components/barrel connections on the inside.

Last to do is water hook up, complete overkill but having a plumber friend do that today or tomorrow.

Power -> Timer -> ink bird controller/probe -> element

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees] * 1
    #27090373 - 12/15/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I use the same countdown timer.. one button push and done... :thumbup:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27090687 - 12/15/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Looks good:thumbup: Nice work.
Did you dilute the silicone with mineral spirits..naphtha?
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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: junior c]
    #27090781 - 12/15/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I did pour some naphtha in and mix it up in the silicon, yes I forgot.

She fills up, stops and drains. Have to regasket a couple small leaks but she's all but done.



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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: junior c]
    #27090802 - 12/15/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nicely done!! It will be easy enough to upgrade to a 240 volt with PID when you are ready. A 120v cost almost twice as much to run as a 240v. It also takes about 6 hours longer per cycle because of heat up time. Nice to see someone put some thought into their build and made it safe with the proper ground.

Naptha and mineral spirits will do the same thing. Naptha will only leave less residue after drying but in silicone, I don't think it will make a difference. Now if you were extracting DMT yea you need naphtha.

Lowes has a silicone sheet which may help you with any gaskets that need to be made...

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Keeney-6-in-Rubber-Washer/1082955?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-plb-_-google-_-lia-_-208-_-tubulardrainsstrainers-_-1082955-_-0&placeholder=null&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2uH-BRCCARIsAEeef3lG0Ez7H6i-MfazTkFsJW7IcU1v3oME66pfkHAR0ApXm_ErFT_Jun0aAqNmEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

As far as the drain goes it took forever for mine to gravity drain. So I don't use the drain anymore. I just bought an evaporative cooler pump now it takes less than a minute to drain...

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27091025 - 12/15/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees] * 1
    #27091040 - 12/15/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You're amazing mr.shrooms, thank you.




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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27106469 - 12/24/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just a little silicon around the electrical. No more leaks.

Gave it a wrap in foam board insulation, gonna hit the cracks between it and the barrel with 'great stuff'

then probably wrap in some silver insulation for cosmetics tomorrow and test.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27107479 - 12/25/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Just a little silicon around the electrical. No more leaks.

Gave it a wrap in foam board insulation, gonna hit the cracks between it and the barrel with 'great stuff'

then probably wrap in some silver insulation for cosmetics tomorrow and test.


Hope ya have a shroomy Christmas. Looking forward to completing this build/testing. :cheers:




You need to seal that from the inside of the drum not from the outside in the electrical box. That could be a bad situation.

It should be easy enough to make yourself a gasket just loosen up the element and pack silicone in between the drum and the element from the inside. You may have to support the element then just put the nut on the element and tighten it just enough to where the silicone will push out a little and form a gasket let it dry after it is completely dry you will have formed a gasket that will fit the contours of the element and drum perfectly. Try and make the gasket about 1/8" thick. Then snug it up and you should have solved your leak problem correctly.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27107779 - 12/25/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have a load of gasket sealer on the inside, I can try as you say with more.

But if there's no water on the outside of the barrel (even under that box by other means) after six hours testing as is what's the concern here?

I understand could be bad in terms of electricity and water, but with no leak present I am not sure what further application would do in effect. Missing something, or just an extra cautious step?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27107810 - 12/25/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My concern is you will not know when it starts to leak. No water should get into your electrical box at all. For it to be leaking into the box you are leaking no matter what. Fix the problem now and take away all risk of getting shocked or kicking the breaker or fix it later. I always choose to fix it now and avoid problems later but it is all up to you.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27108288 - 12/26/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ugh lol

I'm gonna learn the hard way on this one mr. Shrooms.

When/if I see any leak I will address it.


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    #27108382 - 12/26/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27109357 - 12/26/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Ugh lol

I'm gonna learn the hard way on this one mr. Shrooms.

When/if I see any leak I will address it.




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    #27117590 - 12/31/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)



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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27117717 - 12/31/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

u need to set the sv to 208. The sv stands for set v and the pv stands for perceived value. you will never reach 212.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01] * 1
    #27117750 - 12/31/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Good to know. I was stoned as fuck and tired setting this up last night so I didn't figure all that out to finality.

Thanks for the steady helping hand. Preciate ya.

What I halfway based what I'm doing was on a post by solidarity here

Since I've got a small audience if there's an opinions based on experience on grain in atmospheric pressure temp and time. Just going off a couple posts.

Solidarity says 203°f for 12 hours for 4qt grain bags. So I'm at 210° like fuck it, ya know?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27118307 - 12/31/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Solarity said 12 hours after core temp reaches 95C so the total time is a  bit longer.

I am curious if anyone around here is sterilizing their grains at atmospheric pressure.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: deadmandave]
    #27118469 - 12/31/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

12 hours is a good place to start as said after it is at temp. You need to pack your steamer then take your top bag and put your probe in the middle or the grain in your top bag. When it reaches 208F find out how long it took to reach that temp then add that time to the 12 hour run cycle. Now you know how long to run you cycle from start to finish.

If your bags contaminate increase the run time.

The above only has to be done one time. After you have the time set correctly. My steamer at 1650 watts took 6 hours to reach temp. This will be different for everyone depending on how much you have insulated your drum and other factors.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27119160 - 12/31/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 28 days ago)

Well shoot I estimate it got to 210°f at about 3am conservatively last night.

so 12 hours would be 3pm, it's 930pm now, oops, 18.5 hours after core reached 210°f.

I'll stop the power now. Happy new year.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27120225 - 01/01/21 11:47 AM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Bummer, looks like I had the grate too low. Thought it was off the float value so it was half full of water the whole time. :doh:



Got it elevated more now, definitely far from the float and I'm gonna try again today.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27120264 - 01/01/21 12:04 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Yea you will have to start from the beginning and keep a close eye on it so you know when it gets to temp. It is important to have the probe in the middle of the top sub or grain bag because you want to know when the middle of the bag gets to temp, not just the outside.

You will not have to put the probe in the middle of the bag once you know how long it takes to get to temp. This is just done to have an idea of how long it actually takes to get to temp. I hope that makes sense.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27120298 - 01/01/21 12:16 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

I had the probe in the middle of the bag the whole time. Never did think I'm measuring outside temp.

Try try again.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27120379 - 01/01/21 01:00 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

It looks like you had a problem with the silicone sticking on the inside of the drum you need to scuff up the drum so it will stick better I wouldn't go through the coating just scuff it up so it sticks.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27123150 - 01/03/21 03:09 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Getting their man. Nice build !
Steemers are a game changer.
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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Buddaking]
    #27123388 - 01/03/21 08:20 AM (3 years, 25 days ago)

Nice enough for a first draft trial run. Thanks for stopping by. :smile:

Timer just turned off after round 2.

Had the grain bags in the fridge over night so they started at 69°f, took 10 hours 5 minutes at reach 206°f.

I just let it run the whole 24 countdown for good measure so 13 hours 55 mins at 206°f+.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27221248 - 02/22/21 10:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

No follow up pic of Pink oyster, Blue oyster, Lions mane, Pioppino, and King oyster fruiting like crazy?

I want to see those blocks Filthy. Don't leave us hanging  :rofl:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27221324 - 02/23/21 12:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Nice enough for a first draft trial run. Thanks for stopping by. :smile:

Timer just turned off after round 2.

Had the grain bags in the fridge over night so they started at 69°f, took 10 hours 5 minutes at reach 206°f.

I just let it run the whole 24 countdown for good measure so 13 hours 55 mins at 206°f+.




I think you have to run them for 13 hours and 57 mins at 206F.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27221782 - 02/23/21 07:56 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I appreciate the poke mr. Mushie, I procrastinate so much, trying to do less of my day job and more of this stuff.

I recently received a piopino and blue oyster plates in the mail so that's what's up first. Then a couple more.

I promise it will happen lol. Hang in there and keep the faith.

@shroomsisay : lmfao missed it by a cunt hair.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27221845 - 02/23/21 08:55 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Just messing with you Filthy.

I love to see the progress, you juggle a lot in the mush world and i'm amazed that you're as active as you are on here.

You still doing construction and rehab work?

Seems like you've got a circle of buds all working in the gourmet + spawn production world, can honestly say i'm surprised you haven't fully transitioned to that over the years...


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: Mr. Mushie]
    #27221875 - 02/23/21 09:13 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'd rather not say. :wink:

You're seeing the transition in real time.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #28074445 - 11/29/22 12:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Any updates filthy?


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