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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26992813 - 10/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Except he says differently that that inner part is not grounded. So there is that.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26993007 - 10/19/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The inner part is not grounded. You hook a ground wire to the hot pod and because of that ground wire and the whole outer part of the hot pod and the element is metal it all becomes ground. That ground wire touches the element the drum and the hot pod so it all has a ground. In the pic the inner wire (Red Wire) goes to hot so I don't know where you get it is grounded.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26993287 - 10/19/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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So let me ask you a question what happens when a heating element shorts out?

I will explain this better to help you understand. Your heating element has a wire running through the center of the tube. The wire is insulated from touching the outside tube, usually by magnesium oxide or ceramic. The wire running through the center that is hooked up to the power has a resistance. This resistance is what causes the wire to heat up. If somehow the wire inside touches the outside tube the outside becomes electrified. The hot pod causes the entire outside of the element to be ground. So if the wire touches the outside tubing the breaker is tripped and you will not get power anymore...



In the pic, everything green has direct metal to metal contact. So obviously the outside of the drum is also grounded. Because the outside of the drum is not covered in silicone and has direct metal to metal contact with the element.



This is absolutely correct. Look up brewing equipment. There's UL listed hot liquor tanks and mash heat exchangers with no separate ground. Its through the elements if they break they ground out and you should be plugged into gfci which will detect and blow before a circuit breaker. Gfci always working with wet shit that may not blow a breaker when it faults.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26993420 - 10/19/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I am referring to inner part as in the element part that is on the inside of the drum sticking in the water. He even picks it up and points to all that and the base on the inside and flips it around and says that part of the element isn't grounded. And then he explains that the appliance is what gets grounded, not the element. Which would also be connected to the same metal places you are talking about so it sure would lend to it being grounded if it was grounded, yet he says that part isn't grounded..  :shrug:

I dunno I was looking all around the web for this info and his video was the first and best I got so far. And others who pulled apart the element showed rubber separators between the inner and outer parts so...  :shrug:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26993466 - 10/19/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly and if that separator ever fails it grounds to the outside grounded tube


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26993488 - 10/19/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.amazon.com/Kingwork-UL-Listed-Immersion-Thermostat-Submersible/dp/B07DGDFLTW/

Where's the ground connected to? Look at shroomsisay01's picture.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26993551 - 10/19/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

well that would make it simpler than everyone else had explained it. But why can't I find any info on it elsewhere that explains it? stupid google..


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: seagu]
    #26993775 - 10/19/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the link


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: King0fthajuice]
    #27090261 - 12/15/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Forever and a day later ...



Element was afixed through an electrical box, wired, grounded. Plan on covering that box.

Replaced the original timer with an outdoor timer pictured.

Coated the inside with silicon to prevent rust as shroomsinsay recommended.

used gasket sealer around the components/barrel connections on the inside.

Last to do is water hook up, complete overkill but having a plumber friend do that today or tomorrow.

Power -> Timer -> ink bird controller/probe -> element

Sorry update took so long, hope you enjoy the pics.

Comments criticism & suggestions all welcomed, thank you.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees] * 1
    #27090373 - 12/15/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I use the same countdown timer.. one button push and done... :thumbup:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27090687 - 12/15/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Looks good:thumbup: Nice work.
Did you dilute the silicone with mineral spirits..naphtha?
Curious how this treatment holds up.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: junior c]
    #27090781 - 12/15/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I did pour some naphtha in and mix it up in the silicon, yes I forgot.

She fills up, stops and drains. Have to regasket a couple small leaks but she's all but done.



:cheers: I'll report back with tests soon.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: junior c]
    #27090802 - 12/15/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nicely done!! It will be easy enough to upgrade to a 240 volt with PID when you are ready. A 120v cost almost twice as much to run as a 240v. It also takes about 6 hours longer per cycle because of heat up time. Nice to see someone put some thought into their build and made it safe with the proper ground.

Naptha and mineral spirits will do the same thing. Naptha will only leave less residue after drying but in silicone, I don't think it will make a difference. Now if you were extracting DMT yea you need naphtha.

Lowes has a silicone sheet which may help you with any gaskets that need to be made...

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Keeney-6-in-Rubber-Washer/1082955?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-plb-_-google-_-lia-_-208-_-tubulardrainsstrainers-_-1082955-_-0&placeholder=null&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2uH-BRCCARIsAEeef3lG0Ez7H6i-MfazTkFsJW7IcU1v3oME66pfkHAR0ApXm_ErFT_Jun0aAqNmEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

As far as the drain goes it took forever for mine to gravity drain. So I don't use the drain anymore. I just bought an evaporative cooler pump now it takes less than a minute to drain...

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dial-Plastic-Copper-Zinc-Steel-Evaporative-Cooler-Pump/3094799


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27091025 - 12/15/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're amazing mr.shrooms, thank you.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees] * 1
    #27091040 - 12/15/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You're amazing mr.shrooms, thank you.




I keep telling my wife that, but somehow she is not convinced.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27106469 - 12/24/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just a little silicon around the electrical. No more leaks.

Gave it a wrap in foam board insulation, gonna hit the cracks between it and the barrel with 'great stuff'

then probably wrap in some silver insulation for cosmetics tomorrow and test.


Hope ya have a shroomy Christmas. Looking forward to completing this build/testing. :cheers:


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27107479 - 12/25/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Just a little silicon around the electrical. No more leaks.

Gave it a wrap in foam board insulation, gonna hit the cracks between it and the barrel with 'great stuff'

then probably wrap in some silver insulation for cosmetics tomorrow and test.


Hope ya have a shroomy Christmas. Looking forward to completing this build/testing. :cheers:




You need to seal that from the inside of the drum not from the outside in the electrical box. That could be a bad situation.

It should be easy enough to make yourself a gasket just loosen up the element and pack silicone in between the drum and the element from the inside. You may have to support the element then just put the nut on the element and tighten it just enough to where the silicone will push out a little and form a gasket let it dry after it is completely dry you will have formed a gasket that will fit the contours of the element and drum perfectly. Try and make the gasket about 1/8" thick. Then snug it up and you should have solved your leak problem correctly.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27107779 - 12/25/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have a load of gasket sealer on the inside, I can try as you say with more.

But if there's no water on the outside of the barrel (even under that box by other means) after six hours testing as is what's the concern here?

I understand could be bad in terms of electricity and water, but with no leak present I am not sure what further application would do in effect. Missing something, or just an extra cautious step?


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: filthyknees]
    #27107810 - 12/25/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My concern is you will not know when it starts to leak. No water should get into your electrical box at all. For it to be leaking into the box you are leaking no matter what. Fix the problem now and take away all risk of getting shocked or kicking the breaker or fix it later. I always choose to fix it now and avoid problems later but it is all up to you.


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Re: Another 55 gallon drum sterilizer build [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #27108288 - 12/26/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ugh lol

I'm gonna learn the hard way on this one mr. Shrooms.

When/if I see any leak I will address it.


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