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No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. * 3
    #26983718 - 10/13/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

He never fired a shot. He never pulled out his gun.

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Michael Reinoehl was on the run.

A few days after a shooting left a far-right Trump supporter dead on the streets of Portland, Ore., Mr. Reinoehl, an antifa activist who had been named in the news media as a focus of the investigation, feared that vigilantes were after him, not to mention the police. Even some of his close friends did not know where he was.

But the authorities knew.

On Sept. 3, about 120 miles north of Portland, Mr. Reinoehl was getting into his Volkswagen station wagon when a pair of unmarked sport utility vehicles roared through the quiet streets, screeching to a halt just in front of his bumper. Members of a U.S. Marshals task force jumped out and unleashed a hail of bullets that shattered windows, whizzed past bystanders and left Mr. Reinoehl dead in the street.

Attorney General William P. Barr trumpeted the operation as a “significant accomplishment” that removed a “violent agitator.” The officers had opened fire, he said, when Mr. Reinoehl “attempted to escape arrest” and “produced a firearm” during the encounter. But a reconstruction of what happened that night, based on the accounts of people who witnessed the confrontation and the preliminary findings of investigators, produces a much different picture — one that raises questions about whether law enforcement officers made any serious attempt to arrest Mr. Reinoehl before killing him.




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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: koods] * 2
    #26983727 - 10/13/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: koods] * 4
    #26983796 - 10/13/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've posted this in a couple other places already, but it really does deserve its own thread. By all accounts, it appears that Trump himself ordered police to go get Michael Reinoehl; and whether that order explicitly demanded an extrajudicial execution or not, Trump undoubtedly condoned it as a necessary act of "retribution":

"I put out, 'When are you going to go get him?' And the U.S. Marshals went in to get [Michael Forest Reinoehl]. This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I'll tell you something - that's the way it has to be. There has to be retribution."

'There Has to Be Retribution': Trump Openly Endorses Extrajudicial Killings of Suspects by Law Enforcement


"I sent in the U.S. Marshals to get the killer of a young man in the middle of the street and they shot him. For three days Portland didn’t do anything. I sent in the U.S. Marshals, they took care of business."

The Federal Killing of a Protester Should Alarm Us All


Contrast it with his comments on Kyle Rittenhouse:
"That was an interesting situation. You saw the same tape as I saw. And he was trying to get away from them. I guess it looks like he fell and then they very violently attacked him. And it was something that we’re looking at right now, and it’s under investigation. But I guess he was in very big trouble. He would have been — probably would have been killed, but it’s under investigation."

Trump’s illuminating defense of Kyle Rittenhouse


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #26984557 - 10/14/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Trump also ordered Homeland Security officials to make sympathetic statements about Rittenhouse.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: koods]
    #26984833 - 10/14/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This was tough to judge from the beginning. All parties were fairly irresponsible.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: Brian Jones] * 5
    #26986718 - 10/15/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump also ordered Homeland Security officials to make sympathetic statements about Rittenhouse.


kyles shooting is self defense play stupid games you get stupid prizes.most of these people claiming to be antifa are a bunch morons who have no idea what they are doing lol CHOP shure worked out well 😂🤣.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: Mach z 800] * 4
    #26986810 - 10/15/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The blatant police killing of Reinoehl, and Trump’s public celebration of it, should be extremely troubling to everyone. Reinoehl had been charged with a crime, but not convicted - to kill a criminal suspect is the gravest possible violation of the basic rights of due process.

The fact that this involved a federal task force, and that Trump had branded Reinoehl a “cold blooded killer” before he had been convicted, raises the strong possibility that officers made little serious attempt to arrest Reinoehl. Trump says he sent them in directly to “take care of business", and they may well have known at the time what he said publicly afterwards: that as far as Trump was concerned, Reinoehl was better off dead and his killing was an act of righteous retribution.

At a trial, not only would Reinoehl have been entitled to present his self-defense argument, but the conduct of the Trump supporters at the protest would have been put on full display. It is entirely possible, given that the man Reinoehl shot was armed, that Reinoehl would have been exonerated and the Trump administration’s effort to paint antifascists as the aggressors would have been undermined.

Or, perhaps he would have been convicted and sentenced. The dead tell no tales, though, and now Reinoehl will never be tried in a court of law. Trump’s cavalier attitude toward this extrajudicial execution should be setting off major warning bells to everyone who supports the due process supposedly guaranteed by the US Constitution.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26986957 - 10/15/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26986972 - 10/15/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump also ordered Homeland Security officials to make sympathetic statements about Rittenhouse.


kyles shooting is self defense play stupid games you get stupid prizes.most of these people claiming to be antifa are a bunch morons who have no idea what they are doing lol CHOP shure worked out well 😂🤣.




Then maybe a fair trial would be a good idea instead of trying to rig one.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26987835 - 10/16/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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The blatant police killing of Reinoehl, and Trump’s public celebration of it, should be extremely troubling to everyone. Reinoehl had been charged with a crime, but not convicted - to kill a criminal suspect is the gravest possible violation of the basic rights of due process.




Not only is the killing itself extremely troubling to me, but the double standard the administration exhibited when it came to a right-wing activist killer, Kyle Rittenhouse, is also extremely troubling. When Rittenhouse was under arrest (a few days after the shooting occurred, mind you), Trump basically said we would have to wait to see what the courts said about it before drawing any conclusions. However, when it comes to Reinoehl, there was no need to wait and see what the courts said about it.

One more step in the direction of fascism.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: koods] * 2
    #26987896 - 10/16/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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He never fired a shot. He never pulled out his gun.

https://t.co/tKMlLVbk4V
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Michael Reinoehl was on the run.

A few days after a shooting left a far-right Trump supporter dead on the streets of Portland, Ore., Mr. Reinoehl, an antifa activist who had been named in the news media as a focus of the investigation, feared that vigilantes were after him, not to mention the police. Even some of his close friends did not know where he was.

But the authorities knew.

On Sept. 3, about 120 miles north of Portland, Mr. Reinoehl was getting into his Volkswagen station wagon when a pair of unmarked sport utility vehicles roared through the quiet streets, screeching to a halt just in front of his bumper. Members of a U.S. Marshals task force jumped out and unleashed a hail of bullets that shattered windows, whizzed past bystanders and left Mr. Reinoehl dead in the street.

Attorney General William P. Barr trumpeted the operation as a “significant accomplishment” that removed a “violent agitator.” The officers had opened fire, he said, when Mr. Reinoehl “attempted to escape arrest” and “produced a firearm” during the encounter. But a reconstruction of what happened that night, based on the accounts of people who witnessed the confrontation and the preliminary findings of investigators, produces a much different picture — one that raises questions about whether law enforcement officers made any serious attempt to arrest Mr. Reinoehl before killing him.







Talk about suggestive journalism. This guy should start writing novels!


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26996457 - 10/21/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Talk about suggestive journalism. This guy should start writing novels!



I see some emotionally loaded language in the quote, but nothing suggestive of fictional writing. Can you expand on your criticism?





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The blatant police killing of Reinoehl, and Trump’s public celebration of it, should be extremely troubling to everyone. Reinoehl had been charged with a crime, but not convicted - to kill a criminal suspect is the gravest possible violation of the basic rights of due process.




Not only is the killing itself extremely troubling to me, but the double standard the administration exhibited when it came to a right-wing activist killer, Kyle Rittenhouse, is also extremely troubling. When Rittenhouse was under arrest (a few days after the shooting occurred, mind you), Trump basically said we would have to wait to see what the courts said about it before drawing any conclusions. However, when it comes to Reinoehl, there was no need to wait and see what the courts said about it.

One more step in the direction of fascism.



Yeah the juxtaposition in the responses to Reinoehl and Rittenhouse really stands out. Justice was applied unequally based on political beliefs.

Then we consider both Trump's and Barr's rhetoric that widely uses the ANTIFA label to describe domestic opposition, and their loose labeling of "Anarchist Districts" to punish political opponents among the Democratic party establishment. Next we consider that the Trump administration has demonstrated both ability and willingness to put federal boots on the ground from coast to coast; that the nations police forces have overwhelmingly signaled loyalty to Trump, a willingness to violently attack political opponents, and sympathy for right-wing street gangs; and that many of those same right-wing street gangs have clearly signaled both loyalty to Trump and a willingness to follow his orders. We're in a situation where Trump just has to give the order.

Does anyone feel comfortable gambling on the notion that the police would protect you instead of joining the death squads? It might sound hyperbolic to some, but I have too many cautionary tales of anarchists gunned down by fascists in the years between WW1 and WW2 to feel similarly.

And this isn't to take away from the reality that poc are regularly executed by police across the USA to focus on one white antifascist, but I do think it's important to recognize the significant shift the rhetoric took in this instance. Usually there is at least an attempt (however shallow) to create the illusion that justice was had - with Reinoehl however, the rhetoric has tended towards celebrating an act of necessary retribution. Retribution is revenge, not justice. Retribution is the mentality of death squads. Remember that first they came for the communists.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26999637 - 10/23/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This is why Trump is a disgusting dictator POS... Shit like this is exactly why...


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: STPLSD25]
    #26999795 - 10/23/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is why Trump is a disgusting dictator POS... Shit like this is exactly why...




Trump isn't a dictator, he's a puppet for The Elite. He's no different than Bush or Obama.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: qman] * 5
    #26999813 - 10/23/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is why Trump is a disgusting dictator POS... Shit like this is exactly why...




Trump isn't a dictator, he's a puppet for The Elite. He's no different than Bush or Obama.




they are all puppets, but there are some appreciable differences. Trump isn't a dictator, but he does talk like one and his base does signal they'd be quite happy with a dictator, which sets a somewhat concerning precedent.

Either way though, whoever you get in, they will always be a puppet of the elites because the elites ARE the system at this point


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27000986 - 10/24/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've read Edward Bernays, propaganda.. I understand they're all puppets of the Elite.. They are all to some degree, also dictators (even though it's more of an oligarchy..) However, Trump is one of the worse... Even Bush, who started "enhanced interrogation" never said "Torture works!" and tried to justify it.. In other words, the danger in Trump is he is taking this stuff that used to be considered wrong and immoral, and doubling down, saying it's all good because "America is the greatest country ever"


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    #27000993 - 10/24/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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This is why Trump is a disgusting dictator POS... Shit like this is exactly why...




Trump isn't a dictator, he's a puppet for The Elite. He's no different than Bush or Obama.




they are all puppets, but there are some appreciable differences. Trump isn't a dictator, but he does talk like one and his base does signal they'd be quite happy with a dictator, which sets a somewhat concerning precedent.






Exactly, though I'd say the precedent is more than "somewhat concerning" considering it is that type of blind nationalism that led to the rise of dangerous people like Hitler, and the technology of the US Government today far exceeds that of the Nazis back then.


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    #27001098 - 10/24/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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STPLSD25 said:
This is why Trump is a disgusting dictator POS... Shit like this is exactly why...




Trump isn't a dictator, he's a puppet for The Elite. He's no different than Bush or Obama.




they are all puppets, but there are some appreciable differences. Trump isn't a dictator, but he does talk like one and his base does signal they'd be quite happy with a dictator, which sets a somewhat concerning precedent.






Exactly, though I'd say the precedent is more than "somewhat concerning" considering it is that type of blind nationalism that led to the rise of dangerous people like Hitler, and the technology of the US Government today far exceeds that of the Nazis back then.




When The Elite sellout the working class, what do you expect?  Of course nationalism is going to rise. With that being said, Trump spewed nationalistic rhetoric, but NEVER implemented any type of nationalistic policy.


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: qman]
    #27008584 - 10/28/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Idk, the Muslim travel ban and hardline immigration policy’s could be seen as nationalistic policy, no? Other than that though, I agree, which makes it hard to simp for Biden. Ultimately the support for people like Rittenhouse is what’s gonna make me voot for Biden :frown:


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Re: No surprise: Portland Antifa Shooter was executed by police. [Re: qman]
    #27013190 - 10/31/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump isn't a dictator, he's a puppet for The Elite. He's no different than Bush or Obama.

When The Elite sellout the working class, what do you expect?  Of course nationalism is going to rise. With that being said, Trump spewed nationalistic rhetoric, but NEVER implemented any type of nationalistic policy.




Stop being so logically consistent, this is the internet!


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