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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Big_Dub]
    #26996190 - 10/21/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Liners are extremely easy my friend.. spritz the bottom and sides of the
A clean tub with a little water (the water will make the bag stick to the sides of the tub while you fill it) and take an unexpanded black garbage bag and layout flat in the bottom.. fill with your bulk substrate and trim the extra bag off and done.

There’s nifty liner tricks you can do too.. check these out Eats liner tek and Munchs liner tek

Makes getting the substrate in and out super easy as well as reduces side pins.. doesn’t matter what tub tek you use.

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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: fahtster]
    #26996191 - 10/21/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

yeah liners are nice, but too much work for me haha


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Big_Dub]
    #26996196 - 10/21/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

nice result Thanos

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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: SingularFusion]
    #26996205 - 10/21/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you run shoeboxes just grab a brick of bags from a self checkout at Walmart. They fit perfectly. I used to cut clear trashbags until i saw somebody mention grocery bags and tried it. It’s a little tricky at first lining it up and getting air trapped and stuff but once you get it down it’s so nice, literally maybe 5 seconds.


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Big_Dub]
    #26996874 - 10/21/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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awesome looks great!

casing the sub has always helped me with side pins.




Thank you. By casing do you mean a liner? or a top coat after full colonization and pre-pinning? (Still learning the lingo).

Last tub pre harvest pic... all dunked and cruising until second flush(s).




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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Thanos407]
    #26996920 - 10/21/20 07:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

after you spawn the grain to the coir, you can add a casing, a small layer of just substrate material without spawn


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Big_Dub]
    #26996966 - 10/21/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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after you spawn the grain to the coir, you can add a casing, a small layer of just substrate material without spawn




Got it. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't mixing things up.

I covered all exposed seeds with a casing layer after spawning jars with CVG. Should I be adding a casing layer between flushes also?

A couple of things caused complications.. which is why I'm really surprised I got a good flush.

1st problem: I began fruiting in a Martha FC that way over-saturated my substrates... from then, I bounced them around through several different Teks and finally decided on an unmodified mono. That seemed to do the trick, despite all the commotion.

2nd problem:I continued to over-mist after taking out of Martha. I understand that I should be aiming for thousands of micro droplets on the surface for ideal fruiting conditions, but to be honest, I still do not know how to achieve that without too frequent misting. My BRF cakes have been bone dry... and bulks have been over-saturated. :confused:


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Thanos407]
    #26996977 - 10/21/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Should I be adding a casing layer between flushes also?




No. Just the initial.


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: fahtster]
    #26996980 - 10/21/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Liners are extremely easy my friend.. spritz the bottom and sides of the
A clean tub with a little water (the water will make the bag stick to the sides of the tub while you fill it) and take an unexpanded black garbage bag and layout flat in the bottom.. fill with your bulk substrate and trim the extra bag off and done.

There’s nifty liner tricks you can do too.. check these out Eats liner tek and Munchs liner tek

Makes getting the substrate in and out super easy as well as reduces side pins.. doesn’t matter what tub tek you use.

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Copy that! Thank you for breaking that down for me. I’ll definitely use this with my next tubs!

Question: It’s not obvious why you’d  keep bag unexpanded? Thickness/durability/light protection?


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: SingularFusion]
    #26996986 - 10/21/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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nice result Thanos

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Thank you! They were far better than I expected! Earlier, I was thinking of throwing them out but got talked off the ledge by the good members of this thread.


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: A.k.a]
    #26996994 - 10/21/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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If you run shoeboxes just grab a brick of bags from a self checkout at Walmart. They fit perfectly. I used to cut clear trashbags until i saw somebody mention grocery bags and tried it. It’s a little tricky at first lining it up and getting air trapped and stuff but once you get it down it’s so nice, literally maybe 5 seconds.




Will definitely look into this! Thanks for the tip!


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: Thanos407]
    #26997033 - 10/21/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You keep the bag unexpanded so you have two layers.. one layer will stick to the tub and the other will stick to the sides of the substrate and shrink with it so there isn’t a micro climate for side pins to form

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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: fahtster]
    #26997246 - 10/22/20 02:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

As far as the lingo goes, casing usually means peat/verm. The layer of coir or whatever substrate you use is called a top layer.


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: A.k.a]
    #26997589 - 10/22/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

ive never heard that distinction. I was under the impression that casing = top layer.

but i may be wrong. regardless, its the same idea


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: fahtster]
    #26998318 - 10/22/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You keep the bag unexpanded so you have two layers.. one layer will stick to the tub and the other will stick to the sides of the substrate and shrink with it so there isn’t a micro climate for side pins to form

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That makes so much sense! Thank you for clarifying!


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Re: Shiny film over areas of bulk substrate [Re: A.k.a]
    #26998327 - 10/22/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as the lingo goes, casing usually means peat/verm. The layer of coir or whatever substrate you use is called a top layer.




Thanks for explaining. Now, all the verm I used on BRF cakes makes sense and I have a name for it... I'll add a casing layer and liner next time around.

Question.. the verm or whatever casing to be used will be applied right after the I spawn to bulk?

Also, do you know the science behind this helping to reduce side-pins?


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