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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26984939 - 10/14/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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It’s the air.







No, it's not. It's your spawn. Those jars are thoroughly fucked right left and center. You spawn those and you cultivate mold, guaranteed.

Thank god you have starbones to give you some confirmation bias, so you can keep deluding yourself... :facepalm:

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It's your spawn dude, the sooner you learn this the better. I don't know if your sterile technique is good or not but I know your grain prep is garbage, fix that.




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    #26984941 - 10/14/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26984953 - 10/14/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

That's an English idiom (left,right and center) meaning "totally/completely". Those three jars are garbage.

Listen, the sooner you learn/admit you're a noob and need help the sooner you'll say goodbye to all those problems you're having.

All your posts make me cringe all over because of your attitude.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex]
    #26984958 - 10/14/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Also, what's up with the filter on those jars. Please tell me that's not cotton I'm seeing.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Gan]
    #26984964 - 10/14/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yep.

Bacterial spawn leads to mold in tubs. Trich is a parasitic mold that grows on other fungus, this is the reason coir is so resistant to trich; it needs another fungus to grow.

Bacterial spawn causes the mycelium to grow weakly, giving trich a chance to strike.  100% healthy spawn will never be vulnerable to trich, until after a flush or two when it is less vigorous.

Maybe you had success in the beginning because there were no trich spores to take advantage of the weak bacterial mycelium. Trich is mostly found in houses where people cult. I've never seen it until I started growing (months after I started actually). Now that you have introduced trich into your household, the bacterial spawn has a much, much lower chance of success. At least, that's my theory. The same kinda thing happened to me until I REALLY dialed in my grain prep


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    #26984980 - 10/14/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26984985 - 10/14/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think parasitic molds like Trich would have a much better shot of growing on "clean spawn" than non-parasitic molds

There are a lot of species of mold, it's impossible to say that NO species of mold spore can germinate on hydrated, non-pasteurized coir

Anecdotal evidence is great for mushroom cultivators, but it's not the same thing as actual scientific consensus. If mold spores can germinate on coir and the mold mycelium can parasitize the spawn mycelium, I don't see it as impossible for some molds, under certain circumstances, to contaminate a grow w/ clean spawn

Has anyone actually inoculated Bucket Tek coir w/ conidia of EVERY Trich species, of which there are dozens, and verified that there was no germination?

It would be much harder for non-parasitic molds to take over a tub in the same circumstances. It would be merely competing for nutrients w/ the cubes, not actively feeding on the cubes. If spawn is legit clean then it would be extremely hard for these types of molds to do much even if they could germinate on coir. The germinated spores would just die of starvation or something


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    #26985002 - 10/14/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26985004 - 10/14/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Listen, the sooner you learn/admit you're a noob and need help the sooner you'll say goodbye to all those problems you're having.

All your posts make me cringe all over because of your attitude.




Except for you didn’t write anything helpful and didn’t answer my question but went personal, your post was so amazing and helpful.

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Also, what's up with the filter on those jars. Please tell me that's not cotton I'm seeing.




It’s called the polyfill. You can google for it. People use it for pillows and mushroom cultivation.

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Bacterial spawn leads to mold in tubs. Trich is a parasitic mold that grows on other fungus, this is the reason coir is so resistant to trich; it needs another fungus to grow.

Bacterial spawn causes the mycelium to grow weakly, giving trich a chance to strike.  100% healthy spawn will never be vulnerable to trich, until after a flush or two when it is less vigorous.

Maybe you had success in the beginning because there were no trich spores to take advantage of the weak bacterial mycelium.




You are right about most of what you wrote. I used to have bacteria issues, and it still happens, but I think it’s easy to recognize it by look and smell. The smell comes through the filter.

Although I don’t see the problem with the last three jars on the photo, I uploaded it because I’m open to learn. What’s wrong with them?





I use polyfil for my jars, that's why I asked. That doesn't look like polyfil.

I didn't answer your question because it's built upon bullshit assumptions, that "it's the air".

My answer to you was to address the real problem: your spawn.
The fact that you can't see my answer as helpful only goes to show that you are one hell of a deluded noob and certainly "beyond repair", like you said to someone that one time...


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
    #26985024 - 10/14/20 12:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Although I don’t see the problem with the last three jars on the photo, I uploaded it because I’m open to learn. What’s wrong with them?




They have kind of a wet look to them, some of the infamous wet grains pressed against the side. There is also some gel looking stuff.

Also, not all bacteria stinks.  In fact, most of the bacteria I experience has a sweet,  honeysuckle like smell. This can be hard to differentiate from regular myc smell sometimes.


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    #26985025 - 10/14/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] * 1
    #26985038 - 10/14/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Your jars are fucked by bacteria. Relook at grain prep, and sterile technique. Your polyfil looks looser than a Tijuana hooker. Stuff it tight and folded over.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26985043 - 10/14/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Coir doesnt allow any spores to germinate. But once spores germinate mold can grow onto coir and the things you mentioned.

I have had wet bags of coir for more than a year that didn't grow mold.

The mold has to germinate somewhere, and since coir isn't possible, it would be your spawn.



Exacto,  I have had prepared coir in a bucket for months and it dosent grow anything


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    #26985051 - 10/14/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex]
    #26985060 - 10/14/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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All your posts make me cringe all over because of your attitude.




Why are you giving him shit about his attitude when you're so completely oblivious to yours? I thought you walked away from this thread like a damned child earlier in some passive aggressive way?

Again, contamination in monotubs does not stem solely from bad spawn because josex believes in his heart of hearts that it does. I don't know how much further I can dumb it down or use analogy to explain this to you. Nobody is saying bad spawn doesn't cause contamination but it's ignorant to say it's always the source of contamination. You completely gloss over things like pointing out that mold on coir happens regardless of your personal beliefs and that you're willfully ignorant to think that coir cannot grow mold when mold itself is perfectly capable of germinating on porous inorganic matter, sheet metal etc.

Is his a case of bad spawn? The probability is high if that's the spawn he uses but that's not purely an evidence based conclusion. It's conjecture.  Is everyone's problems due to bad spawn? No, not only no but fuck no josex.

Coir growing moldy is nothing new to anyone who has used it as hydroponic media for cannabis cultivation.

It's disingenuous to the pursuit of knowledge to keep parroting "Spawn, spawn, spawn" as the be all, end all source of mold in a monotub. Did anyone say it's not a factor? Of course it is. Does that mean that EVERY SINGLE MONOTUB contaminates due to bad spawn? Are you that completely out to lunch on your own personal beliefs?

Again, going back to the attitude thing. You've got one helluva short stool to stand on throwing around claims others have bad attitudes.

Stop. Back up, go smoke a joint and take a nap if you need to because OP or anyone else in this thread did nothing for you to be on the attack. If he wants to clean his fucking home there is no problem with that. Absolutely none. If it doesn't work well that's something he'll have to deal with at that juncture and worst case scenario he cleaned his home. Why the fuck is it taboo with you parrots to mention having a clean home is a good idea to? Put all this damnable effort into cultivating mushrooms and tolerate living in a home where the fucking blinds are rotting off. Madness.

My fucking god.

Edit: And again there's another claim that mold cannot germinate on coir. Wasn't it RR that said that it has a difficult time? Cannot and difficult are not the same fucking thing. However now that one person has said it, another agreed it now becomes fact to someone reading it for the first time.

Mold can germinate on coir. I have no doubt that coir does possess a modicum of anti-fungal properties but nothing absolutely bulletproof. Do you look at a water-resistant camera and think it's the same was water-proof? Madness.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] * 1
    #26985080 - 10/14/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can’t recognize polyfill on the photo, it might be pointless to ask you to tell me what’s wrong with the jars.





Lol, keep making up stupid correlations. Nobody makes poly filters that loose, that's why it's easy to mistake it for something else in a pic with a white wall behind.

Those jars are trash, and any person that has any kind of experience growing mushrooms could easily tell.
You deserve to grow mold. I'm out.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex] * 3
    #26985088 - 10/14/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Starnoob, I'm not gonna read that outrageous wall of text full of crap. Fuck you too.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex] * 1
    #26985093 - 10/14/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Starbone***, are you implying that clean spawn, spawned to bulk has the potential to succumb to mold from an areas spore load?

the appearing "wetter" is condensation created from the heat that myc produces, in jar or on plate

**again, sorry for this misnaming.


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] * 1
    #26985106 - 10/14/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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In my experience, the source of the bacteria is the shaking. Yes, the too wet grain is a paradise for them, there is no doubt about that.

They usually appeared after shaking. I think they can get through the filter if the shaking is strong. Recently, I either not shake it. or I do it gently. Also, I wait until the top of the grain gets colonized.




The bacteria is not "getting in" and appearing after shaking. If there is bacteria present (either from insufficient sterilization, ridding along the culture, or poor sterile technique) its being spread after shaking making it much more noticeable


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Re: Room air purification [Re: Camera93] * 5
    #26985114 - 10/14/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Does that mean that EVERY SINGLE MONOTUB contaminates due to bad spawn?




The way that we grow says, essentially, yes.
We're not preventing contamination of the substrate, we're promoting a desired culture's ability to out-compete other cultures in the colonization of the substrate.
That requires axenic spawn of said desired culture.

Until you apply that concept, you're only shadowboxing.


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