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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] 4
#26962218 - 09/30/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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An air filter might help a little, but honestly it really comes down to your sterile procedure.
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Re: Room air purification *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Tormato]
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] 4
#26984500 - 10/14/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fix your spawn. You can grow monotubs outside lol. The sporeload out there is huge. Your room isn't the issue unless the walls are growing mold. Even then its probably not an issue.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] 2
#26984517 - 10/14/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vylie said: Iām going to toss the 5th monotub in a row due to Trich.
I have a flow hood. I made 132 pieces of sterile agar petri dishes that are 100% clean after spending weeks at room temperature. I PCed all the coir I used. The colonized jars all looked healthy.
So, instead of blaming my sterile procedure, would someone please tell me how to sanitize a room without chemicals?
It's your spawn dude, the sooner you learn this the better. I don't know if your sterile technique is good or not but I know your grain prep is garbage, fix that.
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Josex said: I used to grow in a moldy apartment without furniture. I didn't live there, just grew. There were mold on the walls, ceilings, wardrobes, doors.... I even had to seal some windows because the boxes where the blinds go were rotting away with mold.
  I cleaned the place like crazy several times, bleached everything, vacuum everything... to no avail.
My success rate with agar in a SAB went from virtually 100% to 30%. Many sterilized plastic containers (as small as 100ml and as big as 1 litre) molded away without even opening them.
The only shit I was always able to get clean were my LC's and had to switch to syringes instead of pouring the LC, because pouring gave me lots of mold too.
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Josex said: The thing is, if my spawn was clean my tubs would not contaminate in that moldy af apartment no matter what. That's why I remain a little skeptical every time I see someone blaming a moldy place when their tubs go green. I'm open to it being a possibility for some, but it just wasn't my case at all.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex]
#26984560 - 10/14/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not just unclean spawn that leads to contaminated tubs and I keep seeing that parroted over and over that it's the spawn because people took "Trich has a hard time germinating on coir" to extremes. Anecdotal evidence is evidence of nothing.
Mold can grow on any surface when the air is stagnant and humid. Any surface. Do you honestly think disaster remediation folks look at the interior of a moldy car or basement and tell the average homeowner "Fuck bruh, looks like you need to address your spawn"
"Every house has mold spores"
No shit. There is however a huge difference between having growing mold sporulating actively and having what people would consider to be normal acceptable levels of airborne mold.
While I might not hold a TC tag I have worked in disaster remediation for over a decade and if someone from this community wants to tell me that coir is somehow more contamination resistant than metal ductwork, car upholstery or other non-organic surfaces then I'll ask them if they understand what cognitive dissonance means.
A monotub is the perfect environment for mold to flourish because the air IS relatively stagnant comparatively AND it's incredibly humid. If the air becomes saturated enough with mold spore I don't give a hoot how resistant you think your coir is or how clean your spawn is. You're going to develop mold on your substrate at some point and this chance scales with the amount of airborne contaminates.
I'll point again to having zero problems with contamination over a couple hundred monotubs this year UNTIL one went bad in a basement of 40+ and I was unable to remove it due to being hospitalized. I didn't address the tub when I had the chance and with the humid stagnant air in the basement there was no tubs uncontaminated. In the span of less than a week the walls, floor joists, some pipe, ductwork, hot water heater etc etc were covered in mold. There was spore in the air prior to this but nowhere near what there was once that bad tub had gone off.
If someone is having no problems with their grain jars but is having problems when spawning to bulk they should absolutely look at the air quality within their home because there is existence outside of cultivating mushrooms.
Bod, that monotub outside v.s. mold spores outside thing is.. what? Mold does not flourish when exposed to that much fresh air and UV from sunlight. That's specious reasoning.
Anyway, mold grows on any surface if the conditions are right and the spore load is high. Coir can grow mold just fine and dandy in warm, dark, stagnant air and if anyone tells you it can't ask them how in the everlivingfuck coir is more mold resistant than metal ductwork.

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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones] 1
#26984566 - 10/14/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir doesnt allow any spores to germinate. But once spores germinate mold can grow onto coir and the things you mentioned.
I have had wet bags of coir for more than a year that didn't grow mold.
The mold has to germinate somewhere, and since coir isn't possible, it would be your spawn.
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The Mycologist said: Coir doesnt allow any spores to germinate. But once spores germinate mold can grow onto coir and the things you mentioned.
I have had wet bags of coir for more than a year that didn't grow mold.
The mold has to germinate somewhere, and since coir isn't possible, it would be your spawn.
Prove this. We've gone from "Mold has a hard time germinating on coir" to "Mold germination on coir isn't possible"
Yet it's possible on rubber, metal, concrete and otherwise? Mold doesn't give a shit that it's coir it's looking for surface moisture to call home and it's absolutely not picky about what it will grow on.
If someones having mold issues they should look at their damned environment with as much scrutiny as their spawn because again, life exists outside of cultivating mushrooms. Your health and your home are worth thinking about first and foremost.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
#26984630 - 10/14/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure that a lot of coir bricks have added trich spores, but I can't say I have used any. I always use pet bedding, which I hear does not have added spores.
Here is some more really recent anecdotal evidence for the "grow room spore load doesn't matter" claim: Embracing the Trich
Gotta say I have similar experience as smartattack. I am extremely lazy, and have had many tubs go solid green before finally tossing them out. But I haven't noticed it affecting my grows
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie]
#26984641 - 10/14/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vylie said:
So, instead of blaming my sterile procedure, would someone please tell me how to sanitize a room without chemicals?
Before you start your clean you need to figure out how to remove the conditions that mold requires in your home. Increase your fresh air, lower your relative humidity, let more light in if possible.
If your home is more on the modern side and the HVAC is well designed consider a whole-home dehumidifier. If not then size a dehumidifier to your sqft. Does your kitchen have a vent over the stove? Bathroom(s) have vents? Stuff to think about.
As for chemicals well that's up to you but avoid things like bleach which will only make things worse. I know you don't want to go a chemical route but there's no getting away from it if things are bad. The best route of attack is a mold fogger and something like Concrobium which isn't at all scary. It's sodium carbonate, sodium triphosphate and I can't remember what else but it works well especially on porous surfaces. Moldex for spot treating.
Trying to keep airborne contaminates out of a home is a losing game the goal is to minimize them and keep them minimized by removing humidity, pockets of stagnant air and if possible allowing more sunlight in. You'll find on Shroomery some people will use false equivalencies to handwave someones growing space as not being a reason for failures. They're comparing a lit cigarette burning some blades of grass in a backyard to a full on grass fire and judging the grass fire not to be a problem because the lit cigarette isn't. If that makes sense. A few bees hanging around your porch ain't a problem but if there's a few thousand of the fuckers you're more likely gonna get a nest.
Putting the cultivating of mushrooms aside having clean air in your home is good for your body. Nobody needs to be walking around with some mildly inflamed airways if they've got mold issues and someone on the internet told them household mold wasn't an issue. That's an issue that only gets worse over time and you don't want to be sixty with lungs full of scar tissue.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
#26984680 - 10/14/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex] 2
#26984695 - 10/14/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I'm not even going to bother explaining why I lol'd. This shit ain't worth my time. Will see myself out, thanks.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones] 1
#26984708 - 10/14/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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starbones said:
If someone is having no problems with their grain jars but is having problems when spawning to bulk they should absolutely look at the air quality within their home because there is existence outside of cultivating mushrooms.
To be fair, often times the issue is people think they have no issues with their grain jars, but in reality they're not 100% clean and they just dont see it. In their mind, they were perfect jars, so "it must be something else... it can't be my spawn."
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If someones having mold issues they should look at their damned environment with as much scrutiny as their spawn because again, life exists outside of cultivating mushrooms. Your health and your home are worth thinking about first and foremost.
In a cultivation sense, I dont think I agree with looking at the environment with as much scrutiny as the spawn.
100% healthy spawn + moldy environment = 1 flush... maybe 2.
Dirty ass spawn + perfectly clean room = contamed out before 50% colonization.
However, as it pertains to health benefits, then yeah I agree. Dont skimp out on your lungs.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Josex]
#26984715 - 10/14/20 08:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just listen to josex then, contamination comes only from unclean spawn. Mold does not grow on inorganic and organic surfaces in a home unless it somehow involves grain spawn. Had a banana go south on me the other day, those assholes at Dole better work on their spawn.
Once had to clean a basement full of mold because a hoarder kept putting her deceased cats down there and I fuckin' told her next time to make sure those cats were stuffed with CLEAN oats.
Use your head instead of being dismissive josex. Monotubs do not mold only from shit spawn, nobody is saying it doesn't cause it but to claim it is the only way makes about as much sense as a duck in crotchless panties.
There is nothing fuckin wrong with minimizing mold in a home and I keep repeating to put mushroom cultivation to the side on this point. Do not live in filth and do your best to minimize the amount of mold spore you inhale in a day. Why is health and cleanliness a point of contention with you folks?
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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
#26984726 - 10/14/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gan my problem isn't with the birds claiming bad spawn leads to contamination it is with the stupid fucking replies like..
"It's your spawn" that is constantly repeated. Like fuck me it the guy wants to clean his home at the same time. What kind of assbackwards logic is that yknow?
Speaking in such an absolute that it is the spawn makes no fucking sense to me. It is just a dumb parroted meme at this point and as I pointed out earlier in this thread it leads to very stupid statements like trich cannot germinate on coir which is now the progression from people saying it has a difficult time. So which is it? Difficult or impossible? I mean fuck the way the chinese telephone game works around here with this stuff it will go from..
Trich has a hard time germinating on coir. To Trich cannot germinate on coir (We are here) To Trich doesn't exist.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: starbones]
#26984727 - 10/14/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if it helps but I do run a hepa filter in my grow room. I run it for about an hour before I do anything in there and I turn the A/C off at the same time. Since doing so My trich contam has reduced. Maybe it helped maybe by procedures got better. Either way I/'m going to keep doing it.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Canebrake] 1
#26984744 - 10/14/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use coir to germ my vegetable seedlings in the late winter. Some of the superhot peppers I grow have taken longer than 2 months just to germ. Thats two months of perfectly moist coir in a domed seedling tray, so humidity is there as well. And that's not considering the time they stay in that same coir until transplant. I have never had mold problems with those. I also germ my seeds in my cult room. So plenty of spores in there
I don't think anyone is arguing that a substantial spore load can be detrimental to your own health though.
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Re: Room air purification [Re: One of Us]
#26984766 - 10/14/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which is completely fair but from my own experience I've had coir go bugshit with mold when I tried to store it in a sealed Home Depot bucket after I made too much, after that I started leaving it in a cooler with the lid wide open and never had that issue again. Now I can't do anything with this information because it's anecdotal and not scientific.
I do know for me as I've written in a post about cleaning my basement that I will not use iffy coir anymore and I won't spawn anything remotely questionable from grain. I've never said that bad spawn won't cause mold issues, I believe entirely it WILL but I do know that I won't take the chance of having one contaminate from ANY source and keep it where I grow. I've been down this road. Once the spore load in the air gets high enough things will contaminate regardless of how clean your spawn is. It's the height of ignorance and stupidity for people to claim that somehow coir will be immune if your spawn is clean while simultaneously mold is growing on metal ductwork in the same room.
We'd all be better off, especially those newer to this if people would stop just slamdunking "It's your spawn". We can't say to check two things?
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Re: Room air purification [Re: Vylie] 1
#26984933 - 10/14/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vylie said:

You can say it's not your spawn, but none of those jars look ideal or 100% clean.
Are they fine to spawn to a tub? I would IF I had no other available spawn. But I'd also expect them to contam out pretty quick. So if the jars you are spawning look like that, then that is one of your main problems.
That may not be what you're showing with the pictures and if I'm assuming wrong then my b.
I'm just saying if all your spawn looks similar to those picture then I'd start there.
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