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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: Huntermew]
#26983249 - 10/13/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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hi folks,
quite new to all this, wonderful. today was a good day. yesterday found an orange-tinted magic looker - saving it for a special occasion. Cheers!



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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: larry riley]
#26983349 - 10/13/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was traveling around quite a bit last weekend and visited the Chilterns, Cotswolds and Peak District. The Southern fields were a bit too warm and dry, then found around a few hundred up North. I even met my first fellow hunters - a dad teaching his son how to spot them.
It's gotten quite chilly in the South East with plenty of rain so feel they should be popping up quite soon...
A few pics from the Peaks




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OozDirect
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: Karuna]
#26983408 - 10/13/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi all
Just had a very successful day up in the hills of north wales, seem to have really started to understand the habitat of the lib, now I have them picked what is the best way to dry? Keep? And how long will they last now I have them picked without drying them? Thank you
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: OozDirect]
#26983454 - 10/13/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi oozdirect,
Lay them out on newspaper or similar paper in the open and they’ll dry out over a few days. If you leave them in direct sunlight near a window which I’ve been doing recently it hastens the process by a day or so. Once they are cracker dry into a jar with a packet of silica gel and they’ll keep for at least a year if not longer.
Here’s my finds from a 45 min hunt tonight. Another cheeky hundred. It’s been a great season think I’m on 70 grams dry or so...
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: skidog]
#26983456 - 10/13/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you don’t dry them btw they’ll start rotting very quickly. Either consume within a few days or get them dried
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: skidog]
#26983555 - 10/13/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Found just shy of 150 at a spot <50m in the west mids in the hour of day light I had left after work. Only checked a small corner of the field before it got dark so definetely going back.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: skidog]
#26983690 - 10/13/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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skidog said: ...If you leave them in direct sunlight near a window which I’ve been doing recently it hastens the process by a day or so.
Whilst it probably wont cause significant issues - I believe that sunlight will degrade the potency of them - because exposure to light and oxygen with cause psilocybin to oxidize. This is certainly true for aqueous solutions of psilocybin.
Really the biggest issues are light and oxygen when it comes to storing them.
I'd put a cover over them - such as a piece of newspaper or something - to keep them out of the direct light.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: fraggle]
#26983791 - 10/13/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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went out on sunday for a sunny hike in the cheshire peaks with some foraging along the way 
the fields were alive!
went home with a nice haul  
the highlight being this small flush of monsters..



some other sweet finds..




happy hunting all
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: fraggle]
#26984350 - 10/14/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the knowledge bombs everyone! I’ve got them in a shoe box on paper with holes tiny holes poked through to let the moisture out, hopefully that does the job. Going to try and get out hunting again later this evening
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: OozDirect]
#26984435 - 10/14/20 02:36 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Went out Sunday northwest UK. Found 650 in about 2 hours. Can't wait for my next trip out to one of my other spots. Seems like it's going to be another bumper harvest this year.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: TheForrager]
#26984492 - 10/14/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a question I couldn't find much info on:
Do you separate your harvest from different fields and areas and/ or days? I am keeping mine in different jars, so I can judge the potency of the find for next time I go picking. Anyone already got some solid experience with this?
For example one field was full of big, whiteish, very rubbery and sturdy libs which had just started to colour at the edge of the caps. Another field was carpeted with small golden ones. This field I picked on two different occasions and noted a lot more blue bruising on the second day.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: OozDirect]
#26984495 - 10/14/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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OozDirect said: Thanks for the knowledge bombs everyone! I’ve got them in a shoe box on paper with holes tiny holes poked through to let the moisture out, hopefully that does the job. Going to try and get out hunting again later this evening
Have you a hot press? I spread them out on a piece of rigid cardboard, the harder and "shinier" the better, which helps prevent them sticking to the cardboard. The cardboard sheet goes into the hot press for a couple of days, until they're pretty dry, then into an airtight container, into which I put a little container of desiccant. I keep that in the fridge, and have kept them for years that way. The potency may decrease somewhat, noticeable after a year or so, according to what I read anyway.
One of the benefits of the mild heat in the hot press is that the tiny maggots tend to crawl out of the mushrooms. You'll see them dried up and dead on the cardboard near the mushrooms after a while in the press.
The concern I would have with the shoe-box is that, despite the holes, the drying process wouldn't be fast enough, and you'd lose a lot of potency at best, or at worst end up with a box of rotten mushrooms.
Let us know how the shoe-box works though if you try it...it may work fine, best of luck with it!
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: maxmelt]
#26984501 - 10/14/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maxmelt said: Here's a question I couldn't find much info on:
Do you separate your harvest from different fields and areas and/ or days? I am keeping mine in different jars, so I can judge the potency of the find for next time I go picking. Anyone already got some solid experience with this?
For example one field was full of big, whiteish, very rubbery and sturdy libs which had just started to colour at the edge of the caps. Another field was carpeted with small golden ones. This field I picked on two different occasions and noted a lot more blue bruising on the second day.
Interesting question. I always lumped them all together as the season progressed, dried mushrooms ending up in the fridge in an airtight container with desiccant.
What I did read somewhere is that smaller mushrooms are more potent than larger mushrooms in terms of dry weight.
That might suggest that, while a larger mushroom might contain more psilocybin than a smaller mushroom, in terms of dry weight, a dried gram of smaller mushrooms would contain more psilocybin than a dried gram of larger mushrooms?
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: hibernia]
#26984507 - 10/14/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does keeping them in the fridge make much of a difference? I just dry in dehydrator, keep in a mason jar in the cupboard with desiccant.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: hibernia]
#26984509 - 10/14/20 05:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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hibernia said: That might suggest that, while a larger mushroom might contain more psilocybin than a smaller mushroom, in terms of dry weight, a dried gram of smaller mushrooms would contain more psilocybin than a dried gram of larger mushrooms?
Thanks. It'll take me a while to get through every sample to test it out, but will report back.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: maxmelt]
#26984515 - 10/14/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just an update on the totals so far this season...
A very healthy 63g/2.2oz absolutely cracker dry so far!
Going out again today and I think I could easily double the total weight with how many are out now 
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: maxmelt]
#26984522 - 10/14/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maxmelt said: Here's a question I couldn't find much info on:
Do you separate your harvest from different fields and areas and/ or days? I am keeping mine in different jars, so I can judge the potency of the find for next time I go picking. Anyone already got some solid experience with this?
For example one field was full of big, whiteish, very rubbery and sturdy libs which had just started to colour at the edge of the caps. Another field was carpeted with small golden ones. This field I picked on two different occasions and noted a lot more blue bruising on the second day.
I keep mine separated by the area and week-starting (rather than day)
So I have jars labelled things like "Some field - 5/10/20", "Other place - 21/09/20", etc.
This is just because I will visit a good spot numerous times over a week (I rarely pick for more than 2 hours at a time).
FWIW I have believe I have noticed strength differences between different locations and times - but this is just my anecdotal observation over 25 years of picking and preserving.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: maxmelt]
#26984524 - 10/14/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I found these (what I think are) Protostropharia semiglobata growing near the libs in every field I went to. Although they were mostly easy to differentiate, there were a couple of dryer golden ones I found that threw me off. Don't believe they're poisonous anyway, but here are some pics:


Thought this one could have been a mutant lib, but I decided the stalk was wrong: it had a slimy feel and was perfectly straight, stiff and orangey:

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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: hibernia]
#26984530 - 10/14/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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hibernia said:
...That might suggest that, while a larger mushroom might contain more psilocybin than a smaller mushroom, in terms of dry weight, a dried gram of smaller mushrooms would contain more psilocybin than a dried gram of larger mushrooms?
This is entirely correct.
Smaller mushrooms (in general) will contain a higher concentration of alkaloids as a proportion of their weight compared to larger specimens - but larger specimens will contain more overall as a total ammount.
So 1 large mushroom might contain twice as much as 1 tiny specimen - but 1g of tiny mushrooms might contain twice as much as 1g of large specimens.
This is why "how many mushrooms should I eat" is a bit of an odd question - because it really depends on how big they are.
Really it is better to homogenise them and use a weight measure rather than a count of fruits if you want a consistent/more accurate dose.
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Re: Official UK Liberty Cap Thread 2020 [Re: maxmelt]
#26984624 - 10/14/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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maxmelt said: I found these (what I think are) Protostropharia semiglobata growing near the libs in every field I went to. Although they were mostly easy to differentiate, there were a couple of dryer golden ones I found that threw me off...
Yes they are dung roundheads (P.semiglobata) - you will nearly always find them growing around libs in the UK...indeed they can be an indicator of a good spot to search (along with various mottlegills; P.fimicola, P.foenisecii, etc)
The simplest way to confirm without a spore print is to split the cap. As you say P.semiglobata is subviscid (slimy) but it will break very cleanly - whilst P.semilanceata will have a clearly separable gelatinous pellicle (especially when fresh).
This is a picture of mine from last year (actually a sterile lib) but you can clearly see the translucent pellicle I am talking about in the picutre.
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