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Munch's Shoebox Method * 17
    #26984354 - 10/14/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

How I Grow with Shoeboxes
Shoeboxes are great for when you want to fruit just one jar of grains by itself. Over the years, I've tried just about every configuration imaginable. This is by far my favorite way to grow with shoeboxes, as it allows me to set them and forget them. Before this method, I would always have to mist the surfaces to maintain proper conditions. Now I can just wait for knots to show up, and pop the tops and fruit them.

You Will Need:
- monotub (standard or Pasty's EZ Dialed monos, I use the standard holes with micropore tape as a FAE regulator)
- 6 qt plastic tote (we call them shoeboxes cause the Sterlite brand on this container has a picture of women's shoes on it)
- clean spawn jars
- prepped substrate

Process:
- Knock & shake 1 grain jar until the grains are fully broken up
- Add 1.5 quarts of substrate to an empty shoebox, leaving 0.5 quarts to the side
- Add broken up grains to top of substrate
- Mix by hand
- Level the surface by hand and gently tamp it down
- Add remaining 1/2 quart of substrate to top of leveled grains
- Level the top substrate layer with your hand
- Gently tamp the surface down
- Attach lid
- Set 4 shoeboxes in 1 monotub, stack monos as needed
- Let colonize 1-2 weeks with light
- Pop lids off when knots or pins appear and set 2 shoeboxes in each monotub
- Wait for harvest!

Video:


Results:
















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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26985257 - 10/14/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, thats from 1 grain jar ?



4 real ?



Those flushes ?

How big is your grain jar

Why even make anything bigger


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26985315 - 10/14/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
Dude, thats from 1 grain jar ?



4 real ?



Those flushes ?

How big is your grain jar

Why even make anything bigger




A good question here is also whether this is multispore or a strain that performs very well for Munch's growing conditions as he has spent a fair amount of time isolating/cloning it.

There are a ton of variables. Of course if Munch comes back and says it's multispore, well then there ya go, proof this tek is the bomb diggity.


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: karri0n]
    #26985330 - 10/14/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

karri0n said:
Quote:

smalltalk_canceled said:
Dude, thats from 1 grain jar ?



4 real ?



Those flushes ?

How big is your grain jar

Why even make anything bigger




A good question here is also whether this is multispore or a strain that performs very well for Munch's growing conditions as he has spent a fair amount of time isolating/cloning it.

There are a ton of variables. Of course if Munch comes back and says it's multispore, well then there ya go, proof this tek is the bomb diggity.




Yes one quart spawn! I couldn't tell you the exact specs of every pic, but I'd say most are MS. I don't do much cloning. Texas Orange Cap MS and Stropharia MS have been my go-to for bulk for years. Canopies are more about providing proper conditions than nailing a gnarly clone, although it can help. And those familiar with my grows know I've been preaching MS for years, this isn't just for this reply. Check the search engine for the number of times I've mentioned MS Stropharia.


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26985468 - 10/14/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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it looks like you have a few bottom pins in that tub  :jolly:


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26999369 - 10/23/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, yer gonna love this, but I just wanna be like Munch!

I've gone thru Pasty's EZ dialed, and I'm just lost where to put the larger holes.
I know 3 long side, 2 short side, I think, mebbe not Know...

So I grabbed an old SAB 66qrt and added some more holes.

         

But I have a new 66 that I want to do better!
               
Can you add dimensions or a drawing for location and hole size
for the long and short sides?   
However the cans I use to melt holes are; 2", 2.5", 3", and the ever popular 4" coffee can.

I mean some current holes are below the Shoebox top, so it seems
restricted. I would think above, so there's more open space behind the holes.
Thanks for your time and awesome tips!  :hatsoff:

p.s. Can't wait to see your Uncle Ben's experiment... :rofl:


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27001028 - 10/24/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I see where I got the larger hole idea...first and then your video...

  Mushboys       and mine    2" holes

I saw it in Mushboy Making Shoeboxes  (some hilarity)

Ya I liked the idea of dialing in the FAE with tape, although not sure that idea is in there either. :facepalm3:
Ok found it, you said it! " I use the standard holes with micropore tape as a FAE regulator" LOL
AND I can pretty well see where you put the holes now that I go over the video again. I suppose
this tub's holes are gonna be pretty big, so perhaps I'll double up the tape...

Anyways, FAE is prolly not so important while the lids are snapped on.
So there will be room in front of the holes when there's just two open Shoeboxes, duh.

Sorry just getting up to speed here...


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27001050 - 10/24/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:





it looks like you have a few bottom pins in that tub  :jolly:





God dammit why'd this get such a big laugh out of me.


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27013800 - 10/31/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, new 66 quart tub gets 1.35" dia. holes from my biggest hot socket!    :laugh2:
           
                and voilà! 

I put two layers of micropore tape because there's no moisture in the other one since 8 days.
I'm up to 4 & 5 layers for those big 4" holes (ex-SAB).

(I know I could have four SBs in one tub till fruiting, but...)

two shoeboxes triched out really bad with a few gnats!
It seems like the lid on the tub is warped or ill fitting.
So I added weather stripping, the black stuff under the lid.

                  SB1 spawned 10/17, SB3 10/23

Now hopefully the tub will start showing some moisture in it.
This is the new 66 qrt tub with six 1.3" diameter holes.
Covered by 2 layers of micropore tape.

Thanks for the tub method Munch!  :hatsoff:


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Inthepit]
    #27034582 - 11/12/20 05:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27078749 - 12/08/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure if posting in this thread is appropriate. If not please advise. Very thankful for Munch's work and efforts. Wondering if this shoebox looks OK or if the experts think that it may need to be hydrated?



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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27079211 - 12/08/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This has really helped me streamline my setup, consolidate grows, and save space. Working out great so far...



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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27085235 - 12/12/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)



Canopy?
Miniopy?
Kakarot!


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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #27092201 - 12/16/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Munch or others with more experience than I...

PE Shoebox - First signs of the white speckles (primordia I presume) showed up about a week ago with a significant increase over the few days that followed. Curious if there are any apparent issues that might be stalling the fruiting process or if patience might be the issue.



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Re: Munch's Shoebox Method [Re: mycone]
    #27155929 - 01/18/21 05:03 PM (3 years, 9 days ago)

Mycone, How did things work out? I'm at about the same stage as your picture. I'm got some knots forming, but am concerned about moisture. I just sprayed the bigger tub and a super light mist on the shoebox. RH seems to be at 90-92 steady.

Also, if Munch can chime in: I had one shoebox that was developing much slower. I spawned to bulk 4 days after the first one and it's still slowly developing. will the be an issue if I have one tub closed and the other open? Do they rely on each other to provide proper moisture in the bigger tub? or does it not matter?

Thanks!


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