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Great Amanita Heist - 2020
    #26984351 - 10/14/20 01:24 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

Thought this might do alright here :wink:.  Was actually wondering if they're worth eating though?






I've had my fair share if psilocybin, is the magic combo of ibo, and musc really worth it? Any experiences?


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26984360 - 10/14/20 01:34 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

pfft.  if you eat it don't worry about it man.. I've eaten 2 of those and I only felt drunk for about half the day. People say it's bad which IT IS BAD. But if you've already taken it just don't worry about it, you'll be fine.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26984363 - 10/14/20 01:37 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

Oh I haven't eaten them.  I'm drying them out now, they're so gross when fresh ahahaha.  I'd consider a good tea if I get enough solid feedback though muahahahaha


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26984376 - 10/14/20 01:50 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

Lol I feel that, I was so desperate at the time that I ate them both raw and fresh... mushy and moist.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Kelazam]
    #26984386 - 10/14/20 02:03 AM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

You are a brave human, I can't even imagine :crazy2::mushroom2:


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26984410 - 10/14/20 02:48 AM (8 days, 1 hour ago)

I felt drunk off my ass and at the time I was living with my parents too... They got extremely angry and it didn't end well. I only ate two of them but I'm not sure what exact species they were but I know that they were most likely amnita since I did get very high.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Kelazam]
    #26984729 - 10/14/20 10:02 AM (7 days, 18 hours ago)

I bought some dry online years ago. Crumbled them up and cooked them in chicken broth . Apparently I didn't use enough to feel anything, but they actually tasted pretty good.

Can't remember the name of the site, but he was one of the first people to get busted selling RCs on the internet. He was very well known, and the Amanitas were his flagship product, so I don't think they were bunk.

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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26984777 - 10/14/20 10:32 AM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

I ate 14 dry grams of them and hallucinated!


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Cherk]
    #26984804 - 10/14/20 11:00 AM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

Ate them had wierd dream like visions that didn't seem profound or magical like psilocybin felt very unpleasant and essentially laid in a literal pool of sweat waiting for it to wear off. Something I would not recommend


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26984829 - 10/14/20 11:25 AM (7 days, 16 hours ago)

Found it, it was "JLF Poisonous Non Consumables" AKA jlfcatalog.com. They were raided and shut down even before Operation Web Tryp.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26985494 - 10/14/20 05:26 PM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

what caused you to make that mad dash back to the car?


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26985520 - 10/14/20 05:39 PM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

"leave the car running" :thumbup::grin:


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26985732 - 10/14/20 07:19 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

They can get very heavy.  They take forever to kick in.  About three hours. 

Seriously, they are not a joke.

They can also be an opiate like buzz.  There’s no way to determine what will happen.

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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
    #26985759 - 10/14/20 07:28 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

I took them once when I was 19 or so. Was disorientating and confusing, though I've never had a big affinity to deliriants and dissociatives in general. Somewhere mid trip I got some kidney pains that were persistent for a couple hours, either from dehydration or some mildly toxic effect from the amanitas or both. That was nerve wracking on a first time amanita trip.

It's not something I'm trying to do again personally. I wouldn't really tell anyone not to try it, could be your thing. Don't expect it to be too psychedelic unless you find stuff like DXM to be psychedelic (which I don't). Approach carefully and get a solid ID before eating them though.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Strict Hippy]
    #26985801 - 10/14/20 07:54 PM (7 days, 8 hours ago)

You can also smoke the cap skin.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
    #26985972 - 10/14/20 09:24 PM (7 days, 6 hours ago)

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They can get very heavy.  They take forever to kick in.  About three hours. 

Seriously, they are not a joke.

They can also be an opiate like buzz.  There’s no way to determine what will happen.

Play safe.




They kick in far quicker when consumed fresh IME. Besides being more potent and in my opinion characteristically superior, the comparatively nippy onset ov fresh muscaria affords a better handle on proper dosage titration. Even if I am to dry out a harvest's sampling, I always consume some quantity ov fresh flesh to establish a psychic link with the resident genii ov the specimens. Either way, slow consumption is always recommended. The mushrooms muscaria deserve the upmost respect and it's not a question ov if they're worth eating, but rather if you're worth the mushroom's gnostic bounty. Plucking a patch, veiled specimens and all, is an introduction I'd not recommend repeating. I sound condescending with this but mean no malice. With misinformation and stories ov experiential malady pervading the internets about this cathartic sacrament, I feel obligated to stick up for his magnificent yet mis-takenly maligned Majesty once in a while. He'll bitch slap the time out ov unruly subjects brought forth into his golden castle; come forth humbly and he'll knight you with the sword ov the stone.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lavod]
    #26987539 - 10/15/20 08:03 PM (6 days, 8 hours ago)

Thanks for all the feedback! Im just getting into the the community and im so pleased with how its been.  With what you you guys are reporting I think I could handle them even if they get crazy

I'm going the camp, I'm brewing a smaller tea, and I'm gonna see what they have to offer. 

Not tonight though, I've had a some whiskey :grin:


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lavod]
    #26987894 - 10/16/20 03:26 AM (6 days, 48 minutes ago)

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Quote:

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They can get very heavy.  They take forever to kick in.  About three hours. 

Seriously, they are not a joke.

They can also be an opiate like buzz.  There’s no way to determine what will happen.

Play safe.




They kick in far quicker when consumed fresh IME. Besides being more potent and in my opinion characteristically superior, the comparatively nippy onset ov fresh muscaria affords a better handle on proper dosage titration. Even if I am to dry out a harvest's sampling, I always consume some quantity ov fresh flesh to establish a psychic link with the resident genii ov the specimens. Either way, slow consumption is always recommended. The mushrooms muscaria deserve the upmost respect and it's not a question ov if they're worth eating, but rather if you're worth the mushroom's gnostic bounty. Plucking a patch, veiled specimens and all, is an introduction I'd not recommend repeating. I sound condescending with this but mean no malice. With misinformation and stories ov experiential malady pervading the internets about this cathartic sacrament, I feel obligated to stick up for his magnificent yet mis-takenly maligned Majesty once in a while. He'll bitch slap the time out ov unruly subjects brought forth into his golden castle; come forth humbly and he'll knight you with the sword ov the stone.



When you eat it fresh you're taking Ibotenic Acid (toxic)

When you cook/dry/heat it's muscimol ...

Ibotenic acid


Ibotenic acid or (S)-2-amino-2-(3-hydroxyisoxazol-5-yl)acetic acid, also referred to as ibotenate, is a chemical compound and psychoactive drug which occurs naturally in Amanita muscaria and related species of mushrooms typically found in the temperate and boreal regions of the northern hemisphere. It is a conformationally-restricted analogue of the neurotransmitter glutamate, and due to its structural similarity to this neurotransmitter, acts as a non-selective glutamate receptor agonist.[1] Because of this, ibotenic acid can be a powerful neurotoxin, and is employed as a "brain-lesioning agent" through cranial injections in scientific research.[2][3]


Ibotenic acid acts as a potent agonist of the NMDA and group I (mGluR1 and mGluR5) and II (mGluR2 and mGluR3) metabotropic glutamate receptors.
It is inactive at group III mGluRs. Ibotenic acid also acts as a weak agonist of the AMPA and kainate receptors]In addition, due to in vivo decarboxylation into muscimol, it acts indirectly as a potent GABAA and GABAA-ρ receptor agonist. Unlike muscimol, the principal psychoactive constituent of Amanita muscaria that is understood to cause sedation and delirium, ibotenic acid's psychoactive effects are not known independent of its serving as a prodrug to muscimol, however it may be speculated that it would act as a stimulant.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #26987901 - 10/16/20 03:43 AM (6 days, 31 minutes ago)

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I bought some dry online years ago. Crumbled them up and cooked them in chicken broth . Apparently I didn't use enough to feel anything, but they actually tasted pretty good.

Can't remember the name of the site, but he was one of the first people to get busted selling RCs on the internet. He was very well known, and the Amanitas were his flagship product, so I don't think they were bunk.

Anybody have any idea who I'm talking about?



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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: twighead]
    #26987996 - 10/16/20 07:46 AM (5 days, 20 hours ago)

That’s what I was thinking.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
    #26988254 - 10/16/20 12:21 PM (5 days, 15 hours ago)

I bought an ounce of dried amanita muscaria around 10 years ago to experiment.  I ate a third of them right off the bat and waited for 2 hours without noticing much effect, and then recklessly ate the other two thirds hoping to get something going.

It was interesting, but a little weird. Not in a negative way, just not particularly great.  Like many I mostly felt drunk and there wasn't too much about the experience that I found trippy.  They did make me feel tired and the physical sensation of yawning was orgasmic. I probably wouldn't eat a bunch recreationally but considering that I get bouts of insomnia I can't write them off as a sleep aide.

Now that was the only time I ate them to try and have a drug experience, but since then I have eaten amanita muscaria many times, simply because they are so delicious. If I see one on a hike it goes in my bag, lots of pines where I live so they grow all over my area.  I parboil them for a bit then sautee slices of the cap in butter.  I think they are the best mushroom I have ever tasted. I usually only eat one or two caps and don't usually notice any effects, and I prepare them the same way every time.

I definitely would recommend a taste of a fresh one if you can 100% verify the mushroom is amanita muscaria. I'm not interested in trying to have a drug experience with them anymore at all, but they are a tasty treat and I will eat them when I can.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: MorphinTime]
    #26988588 - 10/16/20 03:37 PM (5 days, 12 hours ago)

I don't know if I would recommend eating them fresh as they're toxic that way (not sure why this recommendation keeps popping up on the shroomery of all places lol)... but I agree they taste really fucking good, I cooked some over a campfire once and it was heavenly :awesome:


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: twighead]
    #26989262 - 10/16/20 11:30 PM (5 days, 4 hours ago)

Questionable and risky information removed


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lavod]
    #26989324 - 10/17/20 12:40 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago)

How is it a myth? Ibotenic acid is straight up neurotoxic and is used as a lesioning agent in neurology studies.

Muscimol is not. - The characteristics of Ibotenic Acid make it sound like a good drug - with its nmda receptor affinity but is it worth the damage?


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lavod]
    #26989345 - 10/17/20 12:59 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago)

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How is it a myth? Ibotenic acid is straight up neurotoxic and is used as a lesioning agent in neurology studies.

Muscimol is not. - The characteristics of Ibotenic Acid make it sound like a good drug - with its nmda receptor affinity but is it worth the damage?



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Actually, I'd say that the recommendation to eat muscaria fresh is rather rare on the shroomery due to the prevalence ov the erroneous 'fresh muscaria is toxic' myth. That's okay, I understand the nobility ov harm reduction. If one wants to err on the side ov caution and forfeit the delectable and experientially superior nature ov fresh muscaria by drying them, then it is hir right to do so. But in that case I strongly recommend root ov ginger tea as dried muscaria tends to be more emetic IME(and I'm not alone in that assertion).






Ibotenic acid is neurotoxic!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibotenic_acid

A. Muscaria need to be decarboxylated.

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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: Yugambeh]
    #26989363 - 10/17/20 01:20 AM (5 days, 2 hours ago)

I dry Amanitas in a fan oven on 176F until cracker dry and store in a glass jar with desiccant silica gel.

I make tea: I heat water in the micro until it boils, powder down the Amanita in the hot water and let it cool down.

2-3g with syrian rue and cannabis is really nice, I just use the caps this year as last year I had to dose so much when I dried the whole mushroom.

I've experimented with Amanitas a lot and they are very different, I had a really deep and scary journey with them last year which I shared on DMT nexus, 35g.... I don't think I'll dose that high ever again:tongue:

Amanita Muscaria, I saw my birth and my death!
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91739




Take it easy with A. Muscaria guys.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: twighead]
    #26989679 - 10/17/20 08:26 AM (4 days, 19 hours ago)

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How is it a myth? Ibotenic acid is straight up neurotoxic and is used as a lesioning agent in neurology studies.

Muscimol is not. - The characteristics of Ibotenic Acid make it sound like a good drug - with its nmda receptor affinity but is it worth the damage?




It is a myth since ibotenic acid is mostly decarboxylated to muscimol by the stomach and liver. Eating fresh muscaria is not akin to injecting quantities ov ibotenic acid directly into cranial matter. The condemnation ov IA as a "brain-lesioning agent" is very similar to the branding ov dxm as the same, a result yielded in optimized conditions and slanted in delineation so as to discourage the psychotropic usage ov them.
I have eaten fresh muscaria many times, surely more than the majority on here have had any muscaria. In fact I have eaten fresh muscaria DIRECTLY IN FRONT OV several shroomerites. I stand by my assertions on the matter; it's not like I'm spewing misinformation with little or no actual experience. The good mushrooms are one ov four ov my favorite substances, and I value them more than the mushrooms psilocybe. I will speak ov them as I have experienced them, and I am not alone in my preference for them fresh.
Hopefully this post does'nt get wrongfully censored like my last one. I'm not making recommendations here, I'm just stating my experience. It's a shame that I'm not allowed to do such openly here when it goes against the established belief.


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Re: Great Amanita Heist - 2020 [Re: lavod]
    #26990870 - 10/18/20 01:27 AM (4 days, 2 hours ago)

Okay, so it seems like I need a fairly decent amount to make a tea from dried muscaria. I'm hearing a lot of positive feedback, but it seems like the metabolizing is similar to psilocybes but a lottt worse. Dosage seems to an issue too.  I'm starting slow for sure.


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